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No bullshit, no debate, just informative well thought out; researched answers or questions. I don't this want to become a giant pissing match. That said...
About 2 years ago I started my crusade to purify my body of RBST, MSG, Transfats, aspertame etc. For the most part I have changed the way that I live, and changed the way that I feel and live on an everyday basis. For some reason I have overlooked the over abundance of fluoridated water, I am finding it virtually impossible to avoid. I have contacted my local water department and find no help but instead the realization that my water is contaminated. I understand that fluoride removal equipment exists... but even with this equipment it is still almost impossible to avoid.
My question or goal of this thread is to create an understanding or directory of foods, juice, bottled water companies that provide safe water.
So far I literally can find nothing. Can anyone help? Ixnay on the Dr. Strangelove references.
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That shit is never as clean as they claim and it's an environmental disaster to boot. Half of the "spring water" you see in stores comes straight out of the tap.
Problem I am coming across is that all major Bottled water companies including Fiji have fluoride... and then another problem arises even if you find unlimited access to fluoride-less drinking water... What about your juice or milk or whatever.
Drinking properly fluoridated water has no detrimental health effects. Fluoridated water is perfectly safe in the concentrations present in city water supplies and will delay tooth decay.
No bullshit, no debate, just informative well thought out; researched answers or questions. I don't this want to become a giant pissing match. That said...
About 2 years ago I started my crusade to purify my body of RBST, MSG, Transfats, aspertame etc. For the most part I have changed the way that I live, and changed the way that I feel and live on an everyday basis. For some reason I have overlooked the over abundance of fluoridated water, I am finding it virtually impossible to avoid. I have contacted my local water department and find no help but instead the realization that my water is contaminated. I understand that fluoride removal equipment exists... but even with this equipment it is still almost impossible to avoid.
My question or goal of this thread is to create an understanding or directory of foods, juice, bottled water companies that provide safe water.
So far I literally can find nothing. Can anyone help? Ixnay on the Dr. Strangelove references.
I think that's where the problem is existing. If you said "that provide non-flouridated water", there wouldn't be some of the responses you're seeing.
I'm neutral on the subject, so no biggie... I haven't quite been convinced either way. But if you happen to be angered by some of the repudiative posts, that's likely why they felt it was okay to post in that manner.
Are you in an area of the country where it would be feasible to create a well for your water? I know there are still many areas of the country/world where people aren't hooked up to a public water system, and get it straight from their own wells on their own property. The fluoridation, at that point, would be entirely your decision.
It was my understanding that most bottled waters don't have flouride, or so i heard from my dental hygenist. However, I have wellwater which is nonfloridated, so...move out to the country? Dig yourself a well?
People are correct about well water being an option.
However, keep in mind that natural does not equal pure and there may well be traces of elements that you don't want in well water. You should have it tested regularly if that is a concern.
Other than that, there are filters that will get out a lot of the substances you don't want but they may remove some things you do, as others have noted.
I think if you want people not to weigh in with their opinion you should try a little harder not to sprinkle your post with your own.
People are correct about well water being an option.
However, keep in mind that natural does not equal pure and there may well be traces of elements that you don't want in well water. You should have it tested regularly if that is a concern.
Other than that, there are filters that will get out a lot of the substances you don't want but they may remove some things you do, as others have noted.
I think if you want people not to weigh in with their opinion you should try a little harder not to sprinkle your post with your own.
Ack, I'm really glad you mentioned that. I totally forgot to mention it. This is very true. Heavy metals among a variety of other things.
Totally anecdotal and almost entirely irrelevant to the thread, but this reminded me that I keep meaning to look up the alleged effects of water fluoridation (as there were constant problems with the fluoride levels in the slummy town I grew up in), and in true Wikipedia fashion, that led me to some other article, which in turn led me to the page on "dental fluorosis" which explains in detail why my teeth have some spots that are faintly "too" white and what can be done about it.
So thanks semi-paranoid dude who started this thread. :^:
I suppose you could distill your own water. And make your own juice with it and fruits.
You may find it to be cost prohibitive to maintain your water purity.
:winky:
I been sickened several times by well water or "natural" sources of water. Will take most city public water supplies over them anyday. Though San Antonio has some very minerally tasting water. Yuk.
Drinking properly fluoridated water has no detrimental health effects. Fluoridated water is perfectly safe in the concentrations present in city water supplies and will delay tooth decay.
Up for debate, unless your 100% aware that what your saying is correct... you probably shouldn't say it; because of how you conveyed it as fact. Again it's not something I want to debate about but I strongly disagree with your statement as a fact.
Edit: And it is currently impossible for me to obtain well water as I live on Coral.
This looks like a good bet. It won't remove it completely, but it will reduce it drastically (93.90 average percent reduction). They have whole house filtration systems, which seems pretty useful.
Since you've cut out so many other chemicals, I'm assuming you already prepare most, if not all, of your food yourself. If not, keep in mind anything prepared at a restaurant will be prepared using tap water.
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Drinking properly fluoridated water has no detrimental health effects. Fluoridated water is perfectly safe in the concentrations present in city water supplies and will delay tooth decay.
Up for debate, unless your 100% aware that what your saying is correct... you probably shouldn't say it; because of how you conveyed it as fact. Again it's not something I want to debate about but I strongly disagree with your statement as a fact.
Edit: And it is currently impossible for me to obtain well water as I live on Coral.
I apologize, I should have cited my sources.
1. A report summarizing over 50 studies conducted over the past 40 years concluding that fluoridated water "does not pose a detectable cancer risk to humans."
Committee to Coordinate Environmental Health and Related Programs. Review of Fluoride Benefits and Risks: Report of the Ad Hoc Subcommittee on Fluoride. Public Health Service, Department of Health and Human Services, 1991.
2. Study of ~2000 women most at risk of developing osteoperosis. Women exposed to fluoridated water for >20 years actually had a reduced probability of non-spine bone fractures. Citation is also link to abstract.
3. 1999 report by CDC on fluoridated drinking water showing "no credible evidence" of a relationship between consuming fluoridated drinking water and cancer.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Achievements in public health, 1900–1999: Fluoridation of drinking water to prevent dental caries. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report 1999; 48(41):933–940.
I found one study that found a connection between fluoride consumption and increased risk of cancer in lab rats. This experiment has never been successfully replicated.
Bucher JR, Hejtmancik MR, Toft JD, et al. Results and conclusions of the National Toxicology Program’s rodent carcinogenicity studies with sodium fluoride. International Journal of Cancer 1991; 48(5):733–737.
Problem I am coming across is that all major Bottled water companies including Fiji have fluoride... and then another problem arises even if you find unlimited access to fluoride-less drinking water... What about your juice or milk or whatever.
Seriously, if you're that paranoid about fluoride in your water going to bottled water (which is baaaarely even regulated for any sort of contaminants) is a ridiculous idea.
Go with the filters, but you really do have to realize that at this point in society, trying to avoid something like this is basically impossible... you're right about juice, but what water is being used to water the fruits and vegetables you eat? (Hint: there's a decent chance it's not even potable, much less fluoride-free)
Municipal water supplies are the safest sources of water you're going to find. A hell of a lot safer, statistically, than well water for sure. Municipal water goes through multiple stages of filtration and purification before it gets to your tap. On the other hand, traces of everything that anyone spills on the ground within several miles can leech into an aquifer eventually.
Municipal water supplies are the safest sources of water you're going to find. A hell of a lot safer, statistically, than well water for sure. Municipal water goes through multiple stages of filtration and purification before it gets to your tap. On the other hand, traces of everything that anyone spills on the ground within several miles can leech into an aquifer eventually.
Hush, well water is natural, and therefore better.
The same reason buying strange herbs from a guy who never went to university is better than buying medicines from a highly trained pharmacist, themselves prepared by experts in properly controlled conditions.
Municipal water supplies are the safest sources of water you're going to find. A hell of a lot safer, statistically, than well water for sure. Municipal water goes through multiple stages of filtration and purification before it gets to your tap. On the other hand, traces of everything that anyone spills on the ground within several miles can leech into an aquifer eventually.
Hush, well water is natural, and therefore better.
The same reason buying strange herbs from a guy who never went to university is better than buying medicines from a highly trained pharmacist, themselves prepared by experts in properly controlled conditions.
Ha
This reminds me of the time that I had a cold and my brother in law told me I should take Oscillococcinum, which I had never heard of. I looked it up to see how it was made...what the fuck. Why people could think this stuff helps with the cold is beyond me. Distilled extract of duck liver and heart?!? The first thing I think of when I'm thinking about ducks is, "Boy, they sure are resistant to colds!"
I also love this line from Wikipedia: "After diluting the original mixture 200 times there is an overwhelming probability that not a single molecule of its active ingredient will be present in the final product."
Municipal water supplies are the safest sources of water you're going to find. A hell of a lot safer, statistically, than well water for sure. Municipal water goes through multiple stages of filtration and purification before it gets to your tap. On the other hand, traces of everything that anyone spills on the ground within several miles can leech into an aquifer eventually.
Limed for being my new best friend.
People need to realize that bottled water is a giant fucking scam and drink the perfectly good water that comes out of municipals taps for free. Spoilered to try to avoid bugging the OP.
Municipal water supplies are the safest sources of water you're going to find. A hell of a lot safer, statistically, than well water for sure. Municipal water goes through multiple stages of filtration and purification before it gets to your tap. On the other hand, traces of everything that anyone spills on the ground within several miles can leech into an aquifer eventually.
Limed for being my new best friend.
People need to realize that bottled water is a giant fucking scam and drink the perfectly good water that comes out of municipals taps for free. Spoilered to try to avoid bugging the OP.
To some, such as my fiance, it is a taste issue.
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This being a video games forum, you might have better results posting on a "raw foods" type forum. Video game fans generally feel good about themselves if they are not drinking Coca-cola with *every* meal :-)
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That shit is never as clean as they claim and it's an environmental disaster to boot. Half of the "spring water" you see in stores comes straight out of the tap.
I think that's where the problem is existing. If you said "that provide non-flouridated water", there wouldn't be some of the responses you're seeing.
I'm neutral on the subject, so no biggie... I haven't quite been convinced either way. But if you happen to be angered by some of the repudiative posts, that's likely why they felt it was okay to post in that manner.
Are you in an area of the country where it would be feasible to create a well for your water? I know there are still many areas of the country/world where people aren't hooked up to a public water system, and get it straight from their own wells on their own property. The fluoridation, at that point, would be entirely your decision.
Edit: Beatn, so hard.
However, keep in mind that natural does not equal pure and there may well be traces of elements that you don't want in well water. You should have it tested regularly if that is a concern.
Other than that, there are filters that will get out a lot of the substances you don't want but they may remove some things you do, as others have noted.
I think if you want people not to weigh in with their opinion you should try a little harder not to sprinkle your post with your own.
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Ack, I'm really glad you mentioned that. I totally forgot to mention it. This is very true. Heavy metals among a variety of other things.
So thanks semi-paranoid dude who started this thread. :^:
You may find it to be cost prohibitive to maintain your water purity.
:winky:
I been sickened several times by well water or "natural" sources of water. Will take most city public water supplies over them anyday. Though San Antonio has some very minerally tasting water. Yuk.
Up for debate, unless your 100% aware that what your saying is correct... you probably shouldn't say it; because of how you conveyed it as fact. Again it's not something I want to debate about but I strongly disagree with your statement as a fact.
Edit: And it is currently impossible for me to obtain well water as I live on Coral.
Since you've cut out so many other chemicals, I'm assuming you already prepare most, if not all, of your food yourself. If not, keep in mind anything prepared at a restaurant will be prepared using tap water.
I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.
I apologize, I should have cited my sources.
1. A report summarizing over 50 studies conducted over the past 40 years concluding that fluoridated water "does not pose a detectable cancer risk to humans."
Committee to Coordinate Environmental Health and Related Programs. Review of Fluoride Benefits and Risks: Report of the Ad Hoc Subcommittee on Fluoride. Public Health Service, Department of Health and Human Services, 1991.
2. Study of ~2000 women most at risk of developing osteoperosis. Women exposed to fluoridated water for >20 years actually had a reduced probability of non-spine bone fractures. Citation is also link to abstract.
Cauley, Murphey, Riley et al. Effects of fluoridated drinking water on bone mass and fractures : the study of osteoporotic fractures. Journal of bone and mineral research, vol 10 pg 1076-1086, 1995.
3. 1999 report by CDC on fluoridated drinking water showing "no credible evidence" of a relationship between consuming fluoridated drinking water and cancer.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Achievements in public health, 1900–1999: Fluoridation of drinking water to prevent dental caries. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report 1999; 48(41):933–940.
I found one study that found a connection between fluoride consumption and increased risk of cancer in lab rats. This experiment has never been successfully replicated.
Bucher JR, Hejtmancik MR, Toft JD, et al. Results and conclusions of the National Toxicology Program’s rodent carcinogenicity studies with sodium fluoride. International Journal of Cancer 1991; 48(5):733–737.
Seriously, if you're that paranoid about fluoride in your water going to bottled water (which is baaaarely even regulated for any sort of contaminants) is a ridiculous idea.
Go with the filters, but you really do have to realize that at this point in society, trying to avoid something like this is basically impossible... you're right about juice, but what water is being used to water the fruits and vegetables you eat? (Hint: there's a decent chance it's not even potable, much less fluoride-free)
Hush, well water is natural, and therefore better.
The same reason buying strange herbs from a guy who never went to university is better than buying medicines from a highly trained pharmacist, themselves prepared by experts in properly controlled conditions.
Ha
This reminds me of the time that I had a cold and my brother in law told me I should take Oscillococcinum, which I had never heard of. I looked it up to see how it was made...what the fuck. Why people could think this stuff helps with the cold is beyond me. Distilled extract of duck liver and heart?!? The first thing I think of when I'm thinking about ducks is, "Boy, they sure are resistant to colds!"
I also love this line from Wikipedia: "After diluting the original mixture 200 times there is an overwhelming probability that not a single molecule of its active ingredient will be present in the final product."
Limed for being my new best friend.