It probably has something to do with the fact that I no longer have the endless amounts of free-time that I did in my younger years. Sure, some of the 'epic' feel of those long-lost raids are not as present in WoW, but honestly I'm fine with that.
For my money, and Blizzard has been getting it since day one, I'll stick with this horse for a while. Have they let me down? A few times, but they have redeemed themselves as well.
Now.. if only I could really get into Naxx and get my hands dirty. MY DEVILSAUR DEMANDS BLOOD. . BLOOD BY THE GALLONS! Or ectoplasm, or crushed bones.. whatever you'll end up getting in ye olde Naxx.
So some douchebag who joined the guild a week ago decided it'd be pretty cool to start a 4-man Ony raid for the achievement.
When it came time to passing out loot he ninjaed everything and /gquit. Yes, he thought ninja looting level 60 epics and an 18-slot bag was worth the stigma.
Some guildies were in an AQ40 pug last night where the raid leader had it on ML. Even for the mounts from trash. Master looter in a level 60 dungeon. It's not like it's even MC where I could maybe MAYBE see him wanting to keep someone from ninjaing bindings.
Some guildies were in an AQ40 pug last night where the raid leader had it on ML. Even for the mounts from trash. Master looter in a level 60 dungeon. It's not like it's even MC where I could maybe MAYBE see him wanting to keep someone from ninjaing bindings.
Horde on Cenarion Circle used to have the this thing were they would master loot entire level 60 dungeons. Not just bosses, the whole thing. Yeah, I went back to alliance and never played my hunter again.
So how do I leave my mediocre raiding guild without being a douche about it?
There's no nice way to do that. Anything you can say that is even remotely honest will just tell them they are too mediocre to make raiding fun for you. Basically, calling them bad. I've been there and did that and tried to do it as diplomatically as possible, but it just wasn't possible. So either you endure and end up resenting your guildmates and quit the game... or you just move on and say it's because you want to be more serious in your raiding time. If it doesn't go over well with some, others will understand. Think of it like a "it's not you it's me" excuse.
So how do I leave my mediocre raiding guild without being a douche about it?
There's no nice way to do that. Anything you can say that is even remotely honest will just tell them they are too mediocre to make raiding fun for you. Basically, calling them bad. I've been there and did that and tried to do it as diplomatically as possible, but it just wasn't possible. So either you endure and end up resenting your guildmates and quit the game... or you just move on and say it's because you want to be more serious in your raiding time. If it doesn't go over well with some, others will understand. Think of it like a "it's not you it's me" excuse.
I'd try citing scheduling problems - miss every major raid for a couple weeks, tell the GM that, unfortunately, that'll probably be an ongoing problem and maybe you should find a guild that has a schedule you can make better.
Afterwards, don't hang around meeting stones before raids with your new guild on those nights.
It's so much easier to leave an aggressively bad guild than a mediocre one - when you can firmly say that a good chunk of the raid doesn't understand their class's itemization or raid mechanics, it's an easy justification and you don't have to worry about being all that nice on your way out.
I don't beleive groups really organize themselves around healing niches in the sense that they want one hot guy, one AE guy and two direct heal guys.
Haha what.
I guess to be fair we currently organize our healers in any given raid around the concept of "Which five or six healers are online tonight? Okay invite all of them." But man that seems so out-of-touch a statement to make.
Funny, for progression raiding it's usually more a question of "what healing class is currently the most overpowered? Yeah, grab a bunch of them, and make sure we have at least 1 of each of the rest for buffs."
Although last I heard, my guild was also playing the "grab whatever healers are around and force a few hybrid respecs if necessary" game.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited December 2008
actually I think GC might be onto something there, if he means what I think he means.
I think a majority of raiding guilds are in the same situation as you and I Riz...whichever five-seven healers are online get invited. Thus, they don't organise their raids around having a certain number of each type of healer...we just work with what we have.
I don't believe he's trying to say "i don't think people differentiate between different types of healers", just that most people don't pick and choose the classes of healers they bring, with the exception of pre-nerf Sunwell (thats going by hearsay evidence, not personal experience, I never saw Sunwell pre-nerf).
I don't think he's trying to say that people don't assign AOE healing to AOE healers, direct healers to direct healing, and HoT healers to patch healing.
So how do I leave my mediocre raiding guild without being a douche about it?
Least dramatic is the best way imo. I had to do the same a while back before I found my current guild. Basically what I did was compile a small letter explaining why I'd moved on, said thanks for the cheese and addressed it to the raid leader and guild leader. Then I set my alarm clock for 4:00am, Monday morning, logged on (thankfully I was the only one online) and gquit, then sent the letter off. I joined another guild a few days later but I made sure most of my old guildies saw me guildless for a while. I had to answer a few questions from time to time like "What happened?" and I'd just give my reasons to that individual. No grandstanding, no platitudes, just straight talk.
The reason I did it that way is thinking back to a time when I've been on the receiving end of someone competent leaving the guild I was in, what sucked the most was that a) they left at peak hours in front of the entire guild making it inevitable that people begin grumbling and thinking negatively about the guilds future. b) they joined some elite raiding guild about 5 minutes later which basically reinforces all the negativity from part a.
Anyways, what it boils down to for me is that if you are concerned about the welfare of the guild after you're gone, the best way to leave is in the least dramatic fashion that you can find. That's my 2c. Good luck.
For a new guild going into Naxxramas for the 100% first time ever for basically everyone, what is the best wing to start off in? (I'm pretty sure you're given a choice of all 4)
For a new guild going into Naxxramas for the 100% first time ever for basically everyone, what is the best wing to start off in? (I'm pretty sure you're given a choice of all 4)
Arachnid
Plague
Military
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
For a new guild going into Naxxramas for the 100% first time ever for basically everyone, what is the best wing to start off in? (I'm pretty sure you're given a choice of all 4)
We started with Spider, which I think is the traditional "first" wing.
You definitely dont' want to start with Construct Wing...every boss in there tests your raid hard for basic raid strategies. I would say either Spider or Plague would be good spots to start off in...Anub'rekhan, Faerlina, and Maexxna are all quite doable by an inexperienced raid, as is Noth, Heigan (if not retarded) and Loatheb.
I agree with Spider wing, but my WLK Naxx experiences are 10 man only so far.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited December 2008
Spider seems to be the general consensus. Go get em!
off-topic, but waking up in the middle of a hot hot hot night and taking a long swig of ice cold water straight from the jug is basically the best thing EVER
If you can get past grobbulus you should be good to go for everything. Military isn't that hard either, although the horseman take a lot of coordination.
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We tried Malygos again last night, but he bugged after a couple of attempts where no spark spawned before first vortex, so we called it after it did that 3 times in a row.
I really want to get into a 10 man Malygos for a shot at the hit/crit robes.
This week is a lax week, probably a couple of nights of dkp free raiding, just rolls baby. Merry Christmas.
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"If you're going to play tiddly winks, play it with man hole covers."
- John McCallum
So how do I leave my mediocre raiding guild without being a douche about it?
Least dramatic is the best way imo. I had to do the same a while back before I found my current guild. Basically what I did was compile a small letter explaining why I'd moved on, said thanks for the cheese and addressed it to the raid leader and guild leader. Then I set my alarm clock for 4:00am, Monday morning, logged on (thankfully I was the only one online) and gquit, then sent the letter off. I joined another guild a few days later but I made sure most of my old guildies saw me guildless for a while. I had to answer a few questions from time to time like "What happened?" and I'd just give my reasons to that individual. No grandstanding, no platitudes, just straight talk.
The reason I did it that way is thinking back to a time when I've been on the receiving end of someone competent leaving the guild I was in, what sucked the most was that a) they left at peak hours in front of the entire guild making it inevitable that people begin grumbling and thinking negatively about the guilds future. b) they joined some elite raiding guild about 5 minutes later which basically reinforces all the negativity from part a.
Anyways, what it boils down to for me is that if you are concerned about the welfare of the guild after you're gone, the best way to leave is in the least dramatic fashion that you can find. That's my 2c. Good luck.
This. Don't lie or change up your behavior as has been suggested. Leave calmly, with as little drama as possible, and private notes to the GM/others that you feel deserve your reasons for leaving.
So how do I leave my mediocre raiding guild without being a douche about it?
Least dramatic is the best way imo. I had to do the same a while back before I found my current guild. Basically what I did was compile a small letter explaining why I'd moved on, said thanks for the cheese and addressed it to the raid leader and guild leader. Then I set my alarm clock for 4:00am, Monday morning, logged on (thankfully I was the only one online) and gquit, then sent the letter off. I joined another guild a few days later but I made sure most of my old guildies saw me guildless for a while. I had to answer a few questions from time to time like "What happened?" and I'd just give my reasons to that individual. No grandstanding, no platitudes, just straight talk.
The reason I did it that way is thinking back to a time when I've been on the receiving end of someone competent leaving the guild I was in, what sucked the most was that a) they left at peak hours in front of the entire guild making it inevitable that people begin grumbling and thinking negatively about the guilds future. b) they joined some elite raiding guild about 5 minutes later which basically reinforces all the negativity from part a.
Anyways, what it boils down to for me is that if you are concerned about the welfare of the guild after you're gone, the best way to leave is in the least dramatic fashion that you can find. That's my 2c. Good luck.
This. Don't lie or change up your behavior as has been suggested. Leave calmly, with as little drama as possible, and private notes to the GM/others that you feel deserve your reasons for leaving.
A lot of people in the guild are terrible with an exceptional few. Also the raid leader's wife has the most annoying voice ever and she doesn't stop talking. It's driving insane.
For a new guild going into Naxxramas for the 100% first time ever for basically everyone, what is the best wing to start off in? (I'm pretty sure you're given a choice of all 4)
There are really two ridiculously easy encounters to get a bit of gear and raid confidence.
First boss in Spider ~ Ridiculously easy. As long as your tank understands the swarm mechanics and you have an off tank that's competent enough to pick up adds, it's free loot.
Noth - First boss in Plague wing. The trash is harder than the boss. It's a tank and spank boss fight with a few decurses and easy to pick up/kill adds.
There are a few gear checks to avoid but as a general rule:
DPS don't really have a gear check. If they're competent, any gear works.
Tank gear check is Patchwerk. If you don't have two geared tanks (10 man) and 3 geared (25 man) skip abomination wing.
Saphirron is a healer check. It's pretty intense the first few times. A hint on this: Train your raid as early as possible to use Lightwells. Get them in the habit of relying on them.
So how do I leave my mediocre raiding guild without being a douche about it?
Least dramatic is the best way imo. I had to do the same a while back before I found my current guild. Basically what I did was compile a small letter explaining why I'd moved on, said thanks for the cheese and addressed it to the raid leader and guild leader. Then I set my alarm clock for 4:00am, Monday morning, logged on (thankfully I was the only one online) and gquit, then sent the letter off. I joined another guild a few days later but I made sure most of my old guildies saw me guildless for a while. I had to answer a few questions from time to time like "What happened?" and I'd just give my reasons to that individual. No grandstanding, no platitudes, just straight talk.
The reason I did it that way is thinking back to a time when I've been on the receiving end of someone competent leaving the guild I was in, what sucked the most was that a) they left at peak hours in front of the entire guild making it inevitable that people begin grumbling and thinking negatively about the guilds future. b) they joined some elite raiding guild about 5 minutes later which basically reinforces all the negativity from part a.
Anyways, what it boils down to for me is that if you are concerned about the welfare of the guild after you're gone, the best way to leave is in the least dramatic fashion that you can find. That's my 2c. Good luck.
This. Don't lie or change up your behavior as has been suggested. Leave calmly, with as little drama as possible, and private notes to the GM/others that you feel deserve your reasons for leaving.
A lot of people in the guild are terrible with an exceptional few. Also the raid leader's wife has the most annoying voice ever and she doesn't stop talking. It's driving insane.
Yeah, this is where I'm better at giving advice than taking it. I'd most likely take your honest input and send it to the GM, tell a few people I never liked to fuck off and tell Fran Drescher I'm glad I never have to hear her voice again.
If you think you've got the gear, hit Patchwerk on your way through. By far the simplest fight in the zone, just a matter of having the DPS and an offtank who can eat hateful strikes - my guild initially used our regular main tank for this, and had the offtank play MT for the fight. Potential for easy free loot, though, which helps with progress in the other wings.
So how do I leave my mediocre raiding guild without being a douche about it?
Least dramatic is the best way imo. I had to do the same a while back before I found my current guild. Basically what I did was compile a small letter explaining why I'd moved on, said thanks for the cheese and addressed it to the raid leader and guild leader. Then I set my alarm clock for 4:00am, Monday morning, logged on (thankfully I was the only one online) and gquit, then sent the letter off. I joined another guild a few days later but I made sure most of my old guildies saw me guildless for a while. I had to answer a few questions from time to time like "What happened?" and I'd just give my reasons to that individual. No grandstanding, no platitudes, just straight talk.
The reason I did it that way is thinking back to a time when I've been on the receiving end of someone competent leaving the guild I was in, what sucked the most was that a) they left at peak hours in front of the entire guild making it inevitable that people begin grumbling and thinking negatively about the guilds future. b) they joined some elite raiding guild about 5 minutes later which basically reinforces all the negativity from part a.
Anyways, what it boils down to for me is that if you are concerned about the welfare of the guild after you're gone, the best way to leave is in the least dramatic fashion that you can find. That's my 2c. Good luck.
This. Don't lie or change up your behavior as has been suggested. Leave calmly, with as little drama as possible, and private notes to the GM/others that you feel deserve your reasons for leaving.
A lot of people in the guild are terrible with an exceptional few. Also the raid leader's wife has the most annoying voice ever and she doesn't stop talking. It's driving insane.
Yeah, this is where I'm better at giving advice than taking it. I'd most likely take your honest input and send it to the GM, tell a few people I never liked to fuck off and tell Fran Drescher I'm glad I never have to hear her voice again.
Just leave. No reason to tell terribles that they are terrible and that you hate Fran's voice. I would just talk to the GM first and then quit. Not a big deal, you arnt breaking up with your spouse here.
Regarding quitting a guild; I second what's been said here. If you have close friends within, let them know ahead of time if possible, or drop a note to them with in-game mail at least. Try to quit when there aren't many people online, as /gquits usually lead to questions and can be the tipping point for other drama to flare up. Since these aren't people you actively dislike, far as I can tell, it's usually for the better.
Of note, there will be other people who see leaving in the middle of the night as a cowardly thing, or some shit. You can't please everybody, but these also happen to often be the same kinds of cocks who'll get their panties in a twist because their beer is 2 degrees too warm/cold, so don't sweat them.
If there are people online and you wish to avoid endless questioning while leaving, just say something polite in guild chat. "Thank you for having me, it's been fun but I feel it's time to move on. Best of luck!" or some other platitude (but mean it, of course).
A note on the forums (depending again on how big/organized the guild is) can be a good idea too, in order to answer a lot of questions without having to reiterate it constantly.
But this is a lot of work, and it all hinges on how important it is to you to make every effort not to burn bridges. At the end of the day, leaving on a bright note rather than yelling at people and ragequitting will put you head and shoulders above plenty of asshats that leave guilds.
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actually I think GC might be onto something there, if he means what I think he means.
I think a majority of raiding guilds are in the same situation as you and I Riz...whichever five-seven healers are online get invited. Thus, they don't organise their raids around having a certain number of each type of healer...we just work with what we have.
I don't believe he's trying to say "i don't think people differentiate between different types of healers", just that most people don't pick and choose the classes of healers they bring, with the exception of pre-nerf Sunwell (thats going by hearsay evidence, not personal experience, I never saw Sunwell pre-nerf).
I don't think he's trying to say that people don't assign AOE healing to AOE healers, direct healers to direct healing, and HoT healers to patch healing.
Well, like, he was saying it in the context of class balance and whether or not some people need stronger AOE heals and so on. Just because healer populations might be low as usual doesn't mean that guilds wouldn't LIKE to be able to pick and choose based on class/role balance and a healer's particular strengths.
Unless its some crazy innovative fight where you want to stand in shit. Then go ahead and stand in said shit.
Phase 1 and 2 of Malygos are all about get in the shit and don't move.
Then Phase 3 comes and fuck up everything.
Malygos at least recognized the time-honored tradition of "don't stand in front of the dragon, morons," but mixes it up with a lack of "don't stand directly behind the dragon." I'm so used to trying to avoid dragon teeth and tail that it feels weird standing behind him all willy-nilly.
Also this reminds me of when we were farming Headless Horseman with so many alts that the ground was littered with flaming corpses of past summons, and I would find myself trying to avoid standing in them at all costs. Then I'd remember those aren't actually part of the fight. :oops:
Also, hopefully you didn't get yourself too well geared with your current guild that it looks like you're treating them as a 'feeder guild'. That's an easy way to burn bridges without even trying, as no one likes to be someone elses stepping stone.
We've had a few people gear up relatively well with my guild only to leave a month later and go to a higher tier guild, and it's usually always had a "hey guys thanks for the wicked loots, now I'm good enough to go with this better guild now, peace fuckers" vibe to it.
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Also, hopefully you didn't get yourself too well geared with your current guild that it looks like you're treating them as a 'feeder guild'. That's an easy way to burn bridges without even trying, as no one likes to be someone elses stepping stone.
We've had a few people gear up relatively well with my guild only to leave a month later and go to a higher tier guild, and it's usually always had a "hey guys thanks for the wicked loots, now I'm good enough to go with this better guild now, peace fuckers" vibe to it.
I only got 3 epics from Naxx with them. Would that look bad?
No, 3 epics is hardly using a guild. The biggest offenders are the loot whores who manage through luck or loot system manipulation (or sheer patience) to get fully (or almost fully) decked out in a solid set (or more, in the case of hybrids) and then bail to a higher quality raiding guild.
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Just leave. If they get all angsty then they suck anyways.
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ThomamelasOnly one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered Userregular
edited December 2008
Leave in a classy way. Always the best policy. Sure, burning your bridges can be satisfying but it's also a great way to lose the respect of others. One thing I do with apps is that I try to sit down with their former guild leaders on Vent or TS if they can spare a moment and ask them about how leaving was handled. It's not a negative against the app if I get a rage filled rant. I don't know enough to be able to tell he said/she said under those circumstances. It is a huge plus however if I hear "Well we parted ways but he's welcome back and we wish him the best".
It's a sign of class, and adding classy people to the mix is always a benefit.
And note that if their guild doesn't know they are jumping ship, I don't ask their GL. But it's always slightly suspect if they leave in that way.
Also, hopefully you didn't get yourself too well geared with your current guild that it looks like you're treating them as a 'feeder guild'. That's an easy way to burn bridges without even trying, as no one likes to be someone elses stepping stone.
We've had a few people gear up relatively well with my guild only to leave a month later and go to a higher tier guild, and it's usually always had a "hey guys thanks for the wicked loots, now I'm good enough to go with this better guild now, peace fuckers" vibe to it.
I only got 3 epics from Naxx with them. Would that look bad?
They are so bad though >.<
Why does it matter that much what they think? I mean you don't know any of these people personally, you don't need to see them on a daily basis, and there's always /ignore. Whether if it looks bad or not is irrelevant. if you're not having fun leave your guild and join one you will have fun with.
Unless its some crazy innovative fight where you want to stand in shit. Then go ahead and stand in said shit.
Phase 1 and 2 of Malygos are all about get in the shit and don't move.
Then Phase 3 comes and fuck up everything.
Malygos at least recognized the time-honored tradition of "don't stand in front of the dragon, morons," but mixes it up with a lack of "don't stand directly behind the dragon." I'm so used to trying to avoid dragon teeth and tail that it feels weird standing behind him all willy-nilly.[/QUOTE]
OS takes care of that. Don't stand infront of the dragon and watch the F..king tail. BTW 3 Drakes on OS sucks. If the raid doesn't die from adds, red shit, or flame wave the tank dies from 50k flame breath. O you need to have this healer do this and that healer do this. I thought blizz was moving away from class required raids. Where are the priests?
t : Sometimes you just have to do what's best for you. Having been in a similar awful situation, and having gone through literally weeks of drama (in real life as well as in-game) I'm still glad that I did something and didn't just slowly go crazy in the original awful situation.
That said, from my experience if you don't tell everyone what happened they're probably going to assume the worst, and in my opinion it's common courtesy to let people know why you're no longer raiding with them. As soon as you quit, a bunch of people are going to ask, "Why did he quit?". You might as well be the one to answer that, ahead of time.
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It probably has something to do with the fact that I no longer have the endless amounts of free-time that I did in my younger years. Sure, some of the 'epic' feel of those long-lost raids are not as present in WoW, but honestly I'm fine with that.
For my money, and Blizzard has been getting it since day one, I'll stick with this horse for a while. Have they let me down? A few times, but they have redeemed themselves as well.
Now.. if only I could really get into Naxx and get my hands dirty. MY DEVILSAUR DEMANDS BLOOD. . BLOOD BY THE GALLONS! Or ectoplasm, or crushed bones.. whatever you'll end up getting in ye olde Naxx.
When it came time to passing out loot he ninjaed everything and /gquit. Yes, he thought ninja looting level 60 epics and an 18-slot bag was worth the stigma.
Horde on Cenarion Circle used to have the this thing were they would master loot entire level 60 dungeons. Not just bosses, the whole thing. Yeah, I went back to alliance and never played my hunter again.
There's no nice way to do that. Anything you can say that is even remotely honest will just tell them they are too mediocre to make raiding fun for you. Basically, calling them bad. I've been there and did that and tried to do it as diplomatically as possible, but it just wasn't possible. So either you endure and end up resenting your guildmates and quit the game... or you just move on and say it's because you want to be more serious in your raiding time. If it doesn't go over well with some, others will understand. Think of it like a "it's not you it's me" excuse.
I'd try citing scheduling problems - miss every major raid for a couple weeks, tell the GM that, unfortunately, that'll probably be an ongoing problem and maybe you should find a guild that has a schedule you can make better.
Afterwards, don't hang around meeting stones before raids with your new guild on those nights.
It's so much easier to leave an aggressively bad guild than a mediocre one - when you can firmly say that a good chunk of the raid doesn't understand their class's itemization or raid mechanics, it's an easy justification and you don't have to worry about being all that nice on your way out.
Haha what.
I guess to be fair we currently organize our healers in any given raid around the concept of "Which five or six healers are online tonight? Okay invite all of them." But man that seems so out-of-touch a statement to make.
:winky:
Although last I heard, my guild was also playing the "grab whatever healers are around and force a few hybrid respecs if necessary" game.
I think a majority of raiding guilds are in the same situation as you and I Riz...whichever five-seven healers are online get invited. Thus, they don't organise their raids around having a certain number of each type of healer...we just work with what we have.
I don't believe he's trying to say "i don't think people differentiate between different types of healers", just that most people don't pick and choose the classes of healers they bring, with the exception of pre-nerf Sunwell (thats going by hearsay evidence, not personal experience, I never saw Sunwell pre-nerf).
I don't think he's trying to say that people don't assign AOE healing to AOE healers, direct healers to direct healing, and HoT healers to patch healing.
Least dramatic is the best way imo. I had to do the same a while back before I found my current guild. Basically what I did was compile a small letter explaining why I'd moved on, said thanks for the cheese and addressed it to the raid leader and guild leader. Then I set my alarm clock for 4:00am, Monday morning, logged on (thankfully I was the only one online) and gquit, then sent the letter off. I joined another guild a few days later but I made sure most of my old guildies saw me guildless for a while. I had to answer a few questions from time to time like "What happened?" and I'd just give my reasons to that individual. No grandstanding, no platitudes, just straight talk.
The reason I did it that way is thinking back to a time when I've been on the receiving end of someone competent leaving the guild I was in, what sucked the most was that a) they left at peak hours in front of the entire guild making it inevitable that people begin grumbling and thinking negatively about the guilds future. b) they joined some elite raiding guild about 5 minutes later which basically reinforces all the negativity from part a.
Anyways, what it boils down to for me is that if you are concerned about the welfare of the guild after you're gone, the best way to leave is in the least dramatic fashion that you can find. That's my 2c. Good luck.
Arachnid
Plague
Military
Construct
We started with Spider, which I think is the traditional "first" wing.
You definitely dont' want to start with Construct Wing...every boss in there tests your raid hard for basic raid strategies. I would say either Spider or Plague would be good spots to start off in...Anub'rekhan, Faerlina, and Maexxna are all quite doable by an inexperienced raid, as is Noth, Heigan (if not retarded) and Loatheb.
off-topic, but waking up in the middle of a hot hot hot night and taking a long swig of ice cold water straight from the jug is basically the best thing EVER
If you can get past grobbulus you should be good to go for everything. Military isn't that hard either, although the horseman take a lot of coordination.
I really want to get into a 10 man Malygos for a shot at the hit/crit robes.
This week is a lax week, probably a couple of nights of dkp free raiding, just rolls baby. Merry Christmas.
"If you're going to play tiddly winks, play it with man hole covers."
- John McCallum
This. Don't lie or change up your behavior as has been suggested. Leave calmly, with as little drama as possible, and private notes to the GM/others that you feel deserve your reasons for leaving.
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A lot of people in the guild are terrible with an exceptional few. Also the raid leader's wife has the most annoying voice ever and she doesn't stop talking. It's driving insane.
Phase 1 and 2 of Malygos are all about get in the shit and don't move.
Then Phase 3 comes and fuck up everything.
There are really two ridiculously easy encounters to get a bit of gear and raid confidence.
First boss in Spider ~ Ridiculously easy. As long as your tank understands the swarm mechanics and you have an off tank that's competent enough to pick up adds, it's free loot.
Noth - First boss in Plague wing. The trash is harder than the boss. It's a tank and spank boss fight with a few decurses and easy to pick up/kill adds.
There are a few gear checks to avoid but as a general rule:
DPS don't really have a gear check. If they're competent, any gear works.
Tank gear check is Patchwerk. If you don't have two geared tanks (10 man) and 3 geared (25 man) skip abomination wing.
Saphirron is a healer check. It's pretty intense the first few times. A hint on this: Train your raid as early as possible to use Lightwells. Get them in the habit of relying on them.
Yeah, this is where I'm better at giving advice than taking it. I'd most likely take your honest input and send it to the GM, tell a few people I never liked to fuck off and tell Fran Drescher I'm glad I never have to hear her voice again.
Just leave. No reason to tell terribles that they are terrible and that you hate Fran's voice. I would just talk to the GM first and then quit. Not a big deal, you arnt breaking up with your spouse here.
Of note, there will be other people who see leaving in the middle of the night as a cowardly thing, or some shit. You can't please everybody, but these also happen to often be the same kinds of cocks who'll get their panties in a twist because their beer is 2 degrees too warm/cold, so don't sweat them.
If there are people online and you wish to avoid endless questioning while leaving, just say something polite in guild chat. "Thank you for having me, it's been fun but I feel it's time to move on. Best of luck!" or some other platitude (but mean it, of course).
A note on the forums (depending again on how big/organized the guild is) can be a good idea too, in order to answer a lot of questions without having to reiterate it constantly.
But this is a lot of work, and it all hinges on how important it is to you to make every effort not to burn bridges. At the end of the day, leaving on a bright note rather than yelling at people and ragequitting will put you head and shoulders above plenty of asshats that leave guilds.
Well, like, he was saying it in the context of class balance and whether or not some people need stronger AOE heals and so on. Just because healer populations might be low as usual doesn't mean that guilds wouldn't LIKE to be able to pick and choose based on class/role balance and a healer's particular strengths.
Malygos at least recognized the time-honored tradition of "don't stand in front of the dragon, morons," but mixes it up with a lack of "don't stand directly behind the dragon." I'm so used to trying to avoid dragon teeth and tail that it feels weird standing behind him all willy-nilly.
Also this reminds me of when we were farming Headless Horseman with so many alts that the ground was littered with flaming corpses of past summons, and I would find myself trying to avoid standing in them at all costs. Then I'd remember those aren't actually part of the fight. :oops:
We've had a few people gear up relatively well with my guild only to leave a month later and go to a higher tier guild, and it's usually always had a "hey guys thanks for the wicked loots, now I'm good enough to go with this better guild now, peace fuckers" vibe to it.
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Just log in at some point when no one else is on, and gquit without saying anything. Odds are they won't even notice you're gone!
At least not until they see you afk in Dalaran tricked out in the best epics in the game.
I only got 3 epics from Naxx with them. Would that look bad?
They are so bad though >.<
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It's a sign of class, and adding classy people to the mix is always a benefit.
And note that if their guild doesn't know they are jumping ship, I don't ask their GL. But it's always slightly suspect if they leave in that way.
Why does it matter that much what they think? I mean you don't know any of these people personally, you don't need to see them on a daily basis, and there's always /ignore. Whether if it looks bad or not is irrelevant. if you're not having fun leave your guild and join one you will have fun with.
Malygos at least recognized the time-honored tradition of "don't stand in front of the dragon, morons," but mixes it up with a lack of "don't stand directly behind the dragon." I'm so used to trying to avoid dragon teeth and tail that it feels weird standing behind him all willy-nilly.[/QUOTE]
OS takes care of that. Don't stand infront of the dragon and watch the F..king tail. BTW 3 Drakes on OS sucks. If the raid doesn't die from adds, red shit, or flame wave the tank dies from 50k flame breath. O you need to have this healer do this and that healer do this. I thought blizz was moving away from class required raids. Where are the priests?
That said, from my experience if you don't tell everyone what happened they're probably going to assume the worst, and in my opinion it's common courtesy to let people know why you're no longer raiding with them. As soon as you quit, a bunch of people are going to ask, "Why did he quit?". You might as well be the one to answer that, ahead of time.