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  • The LuggageThe Luggage Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    -SPI- wrote: »
    drhazard wrote: »
    I hope that, if we do see more info on the Hrud, that they actually move away from the 'Space Skaven' motif and make them unique enough on their own. I just think Orks and Eldar are so different from Orcs and Elves that it works.
    Most of the "Space Skaven" stuff comes from players who have decided that's what the Hrud are and have perpetuated that idea. GW have given very little info about the Hrud apart from on a number of occasions saying "They aren't space skaven"
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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Ralakan wrote: »
    I dl'd the lost and the damned from GW's site. It does seem a rather weak list without CSM support, compared to IG. Traitors are IG with -1 ld, for +2 points.

    Are there any advantages to using them besides fluff? Guardsmen are already a pain in the ass at LD7 if they have no command bubble to support them, LD6 without the benefit of a vox or iron discipline system seems awfully risky.

    They are required in order to take IG tanks. They work like Skaven clanrats, you can take IG units for every unit of traitors you have. You can pay extra points for a higher ld sgt, I believe.

    They automatically have frag 'nade (not worth it, they suck in melee), and can infiltrate (so so, but not great on a unit that can only take one assault weapon)
    -SPI- wrote: »
    drhazard wrote: »
    I hope that, if we do see more info on the Hrud, that they actually move away from the 'Space Skaven' motif and make them unique enough on their own. I just think Orks and Eldar are so different from Orcs and Elves that it works.
    Most of the "Space Skaven" stuff comes from players who have decided that's what the Hrud are and have perpetuated that idea. GW have given very little info about the Hrud apart from on a number of occasions saying "They aren't space skaven"

    I made mine just because I love skaven. The Hrud picture in the rulebook never made me think "skaven" untill I heard that online.

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  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    edited March 2007
    I want a new race for 40k. Something utterly alien and not another militarized biped race.

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    Let they who have not posted about their balls in the wrong thread cast the first stone.
  • Sharp101Sharp101 TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    What were those aliens from the Esienhorn books? They live on another plant that has more than 360 degrees and are completely asymmetrical?

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Echo wrote: »
    I want a new race for 40k. Something utterly alien and not another militarized biped race.

    Nah, every addition to 40k since Dark Eldar has been really lame. They need to go back and flesh out existing armies. More ork variety. More IG variety. (there are millions of worlds)

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  • zenpotatozenpotato Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Echo wrote: »
    I want a new race for 40k. Something utterly alien and not another militarized biped race.

    I'd love to see a new Heresy of some kind break out in the Imperium. Cult of the Star Child, trying to destroy the Golden Throne maybe?

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  • AthaedosAthaedos Registered User
    edited March 2007
    Alright well I got the new DA codex and a command squad, so here's my new core force:
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    I decided to go with a combi-plasma gun instead of storm bolter for my company master, and though it seems perfectly clear in the rules I just wanted to make sure he can indeed have the power weapon and the combi-plasma gun, correct? The only real reason I ask is because the two new blisters for company commanders have either a power sword or combi weapon and you'd have to convert the heck out of them to fit the other in his other hand.

    Also, here's the assembled command squad for a little later when I know how to play/want to play with more points:
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    They're quite customized for close combat, and go like this:
    Base cost: 105
    Upgrades on two veterans: melta bombs/power weapon, melta bombs/power fist.
    One model is upgraded to an apothecary.
    One model is upgraded to a standard bearer.
    One model is upgraded to a company champ.

    The standard bearer and apoth are always shown as having a chainsword (or close combat blade) and bolt pistol. My question(s) is this- Can the champ, standard bearer or apothecary do the plasma pistol upgrade? And also, can the apothecary and standard bearer upgrade their chainswords into plasma/melta/flamer guns?

    If they can't do the plasma pistol upgrade then I'll probably smack those on the power weapon/power fist 'normal' vets.

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  • WrenWren Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Echo wrote: »
    I want a new race for 40k. Something utterly alien and not another militarized biped race.

    tyranids not alien enough? do you need 5 sets of arms to be considered alien?

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Tyranids were more interesting when they had living swords and such. They are way too Gigeresque now. I mean, I know thats what they were originally based off, but they are closer to the source material now than they used to be, which is just lazy.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Tyranids were more interesting when they had living swords and such. They are way too Gigeresque now. I mean, I know thats what they were originally based off, but they are closer to the source material now than they used to be, which is just lazy.
    That... really doesn't make any sense. Their weapons (with the exception of Claws and Talons) are still explicitly described as being seperate living creatures that are grafted to the nid in question.

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Tyranids were more interesting when they had living swords and such. They are way too Gigeresque now. I mean, I know thats what they were originally based off, but they are closer to the source material now than they used to be, which is just lazy.
    That... really doesn't make any sense. Their weapons (with the exception of Claws and Talons) are still explicitly described as being seperate living creatures that are grafted to the nid in question.

    Yeah, I know. I mean the models have talons n' stuff now, rather than wielding swords, which was just plain bizarre, but in a good way. Also, spike rifles need to come back, for 'nid shooty goodness.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Tyranids were more interesting when they had living swords and such. They are way too Gigeresque now. I mean, I know thats what they were originally based off, but they are closer to the source material now than they used to be, which is just lazy.
    That... really doesn't make any sense. Their weapons (with the exception of Claws and Talons) are still explicitly described as being seperate living creatures that are grafted to the nid in question.

    Yeah, I know. I mean the models have talons n' stuff now, rather than wielding swords, which was just plain bizarre, but in a good way. Also, spike rifles need to come back, for 'nid shooty goodness.
    Tyrants got Boneswords back. And yeah, I'd love for them to bring back Stranglewebs and Spike Rifles.

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  • timspork's ghosttimspork's ghost Master Librarian and Ghostbuster Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    God I am so lame. I go into the local gw suppler after reading that Gaunt's Ghost books and notice they have the pack of the main characters. I buy it along with the last blister of ghosts. I have a shit load of DA still to paint and I buy some Ghosts...

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  • FrowbakkFrowbakk Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    zenpotato wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    I want a new race for 40k. Something utterly alien and not another militarized biped race.

    I'd love to see a new Heresy of some kind break out in the Imperium. Cult of the Star Child, trying to destroy the Golden Throne maybe?

    I was of the same opinion when I converted up an all-Xenos "First Among Equals" Honor Guard squad for my Tau. Even though the Tau are digitigrade with hooves, it's barely noticeable, and all of the intelligent life forms out there can't all be either bipedal or 6-limbed Tyranids.

    Among the models are an Etherial and two 'bodyguard' Tau (hey, some are more Equal than others, y'know?), a Kroot, Vespid, and Human as the more standard, a head & tail swap with a Chameleon Skink, a Harpy-to-Pteradactyl kitbash, a Skink Shaman covered in feathers and looking a lot like a Skexis from The Dark Crystal. That covers all of the bipeds.

    For the more unique conversions I made a snake-bodied 'Hrud' (I blame the Alien Legion comic books), a tentacled squiddie tripod made using mostly plastic Spore Mines, a 'Demiurg' with arms which branch into two forearms each, which split again for fingers, and four two-toed hooves to stand on to carry the theme to it's logical conclusion.

    My favorite conversion is the insect/spider. I was thinking of including a centaur-like critter, but the design of centaurs always bothered me... putting the head, arms, and vital organs all the way at the front without any protective bone or horn just seemed silly to me. So the 'reverse centaur', with the torso at the back was the way I wanted to go, with shaved down tyranid parts and Lizarman legs, and the head off of an Old, old Nurgle champion. Six legs, two arms aiming a rifle down the length of the body, and still fitting (mostly) on a regular round base.

    I'll post pics when I get batteries for the camera.

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  • AthaedosAthaedos Registered User
    edited March 2007
    Frowbakk wrote: »
    zenpotato wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    I want a new race for 40k. Something utterly alien and not another militarized biped race.

    I'd love to see a new Heresy of some kind break out in the Imperium. Cult of the Star Child, trying to destroy the Golden Throne maybe?

    I was of the same opinion when I converted up an all-Xenos "First Among Equals" Honor Guard squad for my Tau. Even though the Tau are digitigrade with hooves, it's barely noticeable, and all of the intelligent life forms out there can't all be either bipedal or 6-limbed Tyranids.

    Among the models are an Etherial and two 'bodyguard' Tau (hey, some are more Equal than others, y'know?), a Kroot, Vespid, and Human as the more standard, a head & tail swap with a Chameleon Skink, a Harpy-to-Pteradactyl kitbash, a Skink Shaman covered in feathers and looking a lot like a Skexis from The Dark Crystal. That covers all of the bipeds.

    For the more unique conversions I made a snake-bodied 'Hrud' (I blame the Alien Legion comic books), a tentacled squiddie tripod made using mostly plastic Spore Mines, a 'Demiurg' with arms which branch into two forearms each, which split again for fingers, and four two-toed hooves to stand on to carry the theme to it's logical conclusion.

    My favorite conversion is the insect/spider. I was thinking of including a centaur-like critter, but the design of centaurs always bothered me... putting the head, arms, and vital organs all the way at the front without any protective bone or horn just seemed silly to me. So the 'reverse centaur', with the torso at the back was the way I wanted to go, with shaved down tyranid parts and Lizarman legs, and the head off of an Old, old Nurgle champion. Six legs, two arms aiming a rifle down the length of the body, and still fitting (mostly) on a regular round base.

    I'll post pics when I get batteries for the camera.

    Sounds crazy and cool.

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    There are plenty of other races in 40k, check out Rogue Trader, and the inquisitor line.


    Thing is, none of them are major powers. And you can't keep introducing ANCIENT EVIL THREATS, or you get shit like the necrons.

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  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    edited March 2007
    Thing is, none of them are major powers. And you can't keep introducing ANCIENT EVIL THREATS, or you get shit like the necrons.

    Well, they don't have to be major powers. I'd be perfectly fine with a new army confined to a single planet and then some McGuffin device that makes the planet irresistible to the other races.

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  • EinEin CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    So I have totally been working on that frog king thing. I know it's not 40k, but screw you homps, as all I'm doing is basing it and painting it which is relevant.

    I found the lid to some container in my basement and I decided it would make a pretty reasonable base. My next step was to grab some insulation foam and cut it down to fill the insides and create a slope on which I could pour water effects to create a sort of 'pond' on one side.

    Then I coated the whole thing with bondo to make it harder and prevent primer sprays from eating it alive, followed by a layer of elmers glue and water and some rocks, and another layer of the elmers and water once that had tried to make sure everything held steady. The 'rocks' are just bits of wood mulch I found in a plant pot around the house.

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    In the interest of painting these things properly, I'm going to have to work on this in a bit of a convoluted method. I'm going to leave the frogs separate from the base to get at their angles a bit easier, and paint the base separately as well. Once that's done, I'm probably going to glue them down to the base and try concealing the seams between the edge of the frog bases and the display base by putting some extra sand and rocks down there.

    This is mostly a painting project for me, really. The models are more than adequate for what I need, and my girlfriend loves frogs - she actually has a couple fire-belly frogs of her own, and I'm going to be trying to emulate their patterns onto these guys.

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  • timspork's ghosttimspork's ghost Master Librarian and Ghostbuster Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Wow.... hmmpfMWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    Sorry I read the first part about a frog king then scrolled down expecting to see some WH fantasy thing.

    Not what I was expecting...

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  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    edited March 2007
    What's the scale on those froggies?

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  • AthaedosAthaedos Registered User
    edited March 2007
    The frogs thing reminds me of my sister, she loves frogs and I used to always get her some frog thing for her birthday.

    Anyways, anyone have an answer to my questions on page 95?

    (Combi-plasma gun and power sword combo on my DA company master? In DA command squad, can the champ, standard bearer or apothecary do the plasma pistol upgrade? And also, can the apothecary and standard bearer upgrade their chainswords into plasma/melta/flamer guns?)

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  • EinEin CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Echo wrote: »
    What's the scale on those froggies?

    28mm.

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  • UtsanomikoUtsanomiko Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Athaedos wrote: »
    The frogs thing reminds me of my sister, she loves frogs and I used to always get her some frog thing for her birthday.

    Yeah, mine too. What's up with that?
    Anyways, anyone have an answer to my questions on page 95?

    (Combi-plasma gun and power sword combo on my DA company master? In DA command squad, can the champ, standard bearer or apothecary do the plasma pistol upgrade? And also, can the apothecary and standard bearer upgrade their chainswords into plasma/melta/flamer guns?)

    Yes for the Commander, and I'd say yes for giving the specialists special weapons. The list doesn't say those upgrades are limited to non-specialist models, only that no more than two can have them.

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  • timspork's ghosttimspork's ghost Master Librarian and Ghostbuster Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Utsanomiko wrote: »
    Athaedos wrote: »
    The frogs thing reminds me of my sister, she loves frogs and I used to always get her some frog thing for her birthday.

    Yeah, mine too. What's up with that?
    Anyways, anyone have an answer to my questions on page 95?

    (Combi-plasma gun and power sword combo on my DA company master? In DA command squad, can the champ, standard bearer or apothecary do the plasma pistol upgrade? And also, can the apothecary and standard bearer upgrade their chainswords into plasma/melta/flamer guns?)

    Yes for the Commander, and I'd say yes for giving the specialists special weapons. The list doesn't say those upgrades are limited to non-specialist models, only that no more than two can have them.

    That's the general census on both Warseer and Bolter and Chainsword regarding Specialists with special weapons.

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  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    http://wradford.photosite.com/~photos/tn/9384256_1024.ts1174693111353.jpg


    Color test for my empire themed guard.

    I need to take a better picture, the pants are actually brown and the greatcoat is the color of his sleeve, I'll take another tommorow when I have some natural light to work with.

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  • WrenWren Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    thats a pretty bad picture. I can make out a green sleeve, and thats about it.

    which IG trooper is that, looks like a british soldier from the 17th century or something (i.e. neato)

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  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    He's a fantasy empire militiaman mixed with cadian parts.

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  • WrenWren Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    ahhh.. awesome. can't wait to see a (good) picture.

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  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Once again confirming that the Empire Militia box is the most versatile sprue ever.

    If only by virtue of being pretty much made for Mordheim.

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  • Anime OwnsAnime Owns Registered User
    edited March 2007
    Hell yeah. If you played Empire in Mordheim all you had to buy was a box of militia.

    Good times.

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  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Yeah, the cadian and militia sprues blend together very well also.

    The only thing is that there's a serious lack of head variety, especially since I'm not using any helmeted cadian heads at all. I've got a few extra heads from the handgunners and state troops sprue, but I'm thinking of bits ordering a few generics from bwbits just so I don't have too many duplicates.

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  • Anime OwnsAnime Owns Registered User
    edited March 2007
    So what do you guys think a massive scythe would count as in the Space Marine codex? Sorry for no picture...

    Also, why does it cost points to give a terminator sgt. a power fist? Seems a bit weird.

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  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I'd probably count it as something like a thunder hammer or at least using powerfist rules, considering it's size.

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt (effective against the Irish) Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Echo wrote: »
    I want a new race for 40k. Something utterly alien and not another militarized biped race.


    The Xenology book is great for ideas like this. One of the races, that would be perfect for the conversion minded hobbiest, were these weird sphere things (that sound like they could be a manifestation of the remains of an ekdar god(s) that tend to cluster around warp machinery on space ships, and attack by materializing shadows. they could work really well by using the Tyranid ruleset, IMO.

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  • Kayne Red RobeKayne Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Could any of you fine gents point me towards any rules that would allow me to field a combined Space Marine/Imperial Guard force? I can't seem to find any and it just feels like something that should work. Preferably not something that forces me to take an Inquisitor.

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  • UtsanomikoUtsanomiko Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Other than the Deathwatch team rules, you're out of luck. Unless you're willing to substitute Grey Knights or Battle Sisters for Marines, as the only substantial ally rules are in the Inquisition books.

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  • FibretipFibretip Registered User
    edited March 2007
    Hi guys... I'm here with a request... i'm getting desperate...

    I need a good tutorial for painting red. I normally do Tau and IG models, but i'm doing a falcon grav tank for someone as a present, and i've never understood how you do that red shading/highlights (like this pic : http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/vampirh.htm ) now i realise that's airbrushed for smoothness, but I'm just trying to work out what kind of paint layers to follow, an idea of what to lay down first and what to bring it up to... i would imagine blood red is so thin that it would suck for this kind of job? . I need to get working on it soon, and I really want to try the red... so if anyone has a good tut i'd really appreciate it, if not i'll just have to go back to the green colour scheme... but it's just not as nice!

    so as not to derail the thread entirely... here's some recent work :

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  • CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Oh god, LEDs make my panties moist.

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  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Sigh now your forcing me to make my Monolith Light up
    I wired it up but it was too heavy. {used to many lights,wires, and so on}
    Then I tired to find a differnt place for the battery .
    Then I gave up
    So I will have to dust it off and try again.
    I have a far better idea in what I can do and I could probly get the mats to do it this time within town.

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  • timspork's ghosttimspork's ghost Master Librarian and Ghostbuster Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    So after assembling my DA army box I've ended up with 6 robed torsos that I don't have a use for. As the robes are a sign of rank the only DAs in my list that will have them will be Sgts and heavy weapon specialists. The Dev squad guys I already built before deciding this and all are un-robed. Anyone have ideas about what I should do with them? Right now I'm thinking of just saving them in case I want to expand my army and need more Sgts or a Vet squad.

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