Well tonight we're trying 3d Sarth 10 man with me as main tank. Little nit nervous but I know I'm ready for it. Almost 35k hps with no buffs in my sarth gear. Think When I respecc to my 3D build I'll near 36k. Should be fun!
Specced Frost for the evening. Must say that I saw harder-hitting numbers from a 51 point Frost build than any other spec so far. Frost Strike is a massive improvement over Death Coil for RP dumping. Killing Machine procs a FUCKTON now. Having Hungering Cold made tricky pulls pretty laughable. Decent "oh shit" buttons made living pretty much a non-issue. Did I mention I hit like a truck?
So yeah, no complaints from any spec of the DK talent trees. It really is how do YOU want to kill your bad little monsters while leveling? I'm personally becoming a fan of Frost..
Edit: Ohshi! Back to back TOTPs. I'm on a roll
Yeah I switched to frost and I'm loving it, good snap aggro with howling blast, in 5 mans improved ice talons helps up the dps of the meele hitters. And the three types of mit is great for oh shit moments.
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Speaking of frost being crazy. My bro is a frost DPS dk, and I am a Frost tank. So, after Friday's guild raid, we port to IF and get hit by wall of defense text. We go to the king's room, and there is about 30 horde in there. We waited for a couple other ally to show up, while my brother and I were debating on vent who are the horde tanks. We decided on one, and some more alliance showed up and started messing with people. At that point we decide it is time to intervene. We both pop IBF, both Icy Touch the MT, both Pest, both pop Deathchill and throw Howling Blast. The tanks dropped almost instantly. Hilarity ensued. Within about 15 seconds, the entire raid was down. There was much rejoicing and much dancing on corpses. We did this about 3 or 4 times, and then they quit coming back.
Aren't you aware that it's unfair to use cooldowns in a duel?
Okay, it wasn't a duel. But you know that's what the people you killed were saying. "I BET THOSE GUYS COULDN'T WIN IN A FAIR FIGHT, FUCKING COOLDOWNS."
I dueled a Resto Shammy yesterday on my Frost Tank.
It took FOREVER, literally it probably took about 10+ minutes since both of us were in our respective role's gear. I won eventually when I managed to wear him down a bit then get a good string of interrupts (since one decent sized heal put him back at full). Meanwhile the other people hanging around dueled 2 or 3 times turn to us and said... "Are you guys STILL fighting?"
It wasn't a duel though. It was a horde city leader raid, where fighting as dirty as possible is required. I'm just saying, get a couple frost DK's and you can stonewall a 40 man city leader raid. It's great.
Edit: I read your post again xzzy. Comprehension, I now has it.
So what is a good all around face raping dps build?
Right now I am DWing with the 32/39 build but is there something far superior as far as DPS is concerned?
We have 5 dedicated players in our guild: a holy pally, a mage, a level 26 priest who we are power leveling and 2 dk's. A friend of ours just got back from overseas and is going to roll a DK on our server.
Is there some synergy between the three DK's we could/should shoot for?
Aren't you aware that it's unfair to use cooldowns in a duel?
Okay, it wasn't a duel. But you know that's what the people you killed were saying. "I BET THOSE GUYS COULDN'T WIN IN A FAIR FIGHT, FUCKING COOLDOWNS."
I always loved the cool down argument, technically all attacks are on a cooldown in one form another.
They were actually kind of applicable though. Back when some cooldowns were 10+ minutes.
Hell, they still are now in some ways. If Gargoyle is up, I win generally. If it isn't, I just kill time and stay alive till Gargoyle is up.
Rogues are probably the best example, since they had (have) a lot of decent length cooldowns. They could blow them all in one fight if they really wanted, but that'd leave them weaker for other fights.
Yes, DK abilities revolve around rune cooldowns, but those are up many times in a fight. It's not like recklessness was, with its 30 minute cooldown. Even gargoyle is less potent than recklessness was.
Edit: oops, I think I meant recklessness? :P
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I'd wander around in BGs with my Gnomish Mind Control Cap and use it on Warriors. One of the things it ALWAYS did was blow their Recklessness cooldown and then own the shit out of some random clothy in the back row of their lines.
Then, 30 minutes later (When the cap's cooldown was done), I'd try and find the same warrior again to use it on.
I blew one warriors cooldowns 4 times in a row in an AV way back when.
The biggest problem is at the higher gear levels the DW spec that would have IIT and EPB is going to fall behind Blood DPS significantly enough that the DW Unholy/Frost DK will probably have to respec and leave the buffs to the shaman and boomkin, etc.
Shaman have Unleashed Rage, which does the same thing as Abom's might, and improved windfury totem that does the same thing as the buff portion of improved icy talons. DK's have that better, though, since totems are a pain in the ass.
ok so i went from a deep unholy 2h spec 17/0/54 to the 2h frost strike spec whic is supposed to be better DPS single target. 21/50/0 and for what ever reason no matter what spec i try i can't put up the nubers that i can with unholy . Here are my rotations:
Unholy
IT>PS>DnD>BS > explode ghoul and resummon(sub DC if ghoul is on CD)
SS>BS>SS>BS >UB or gargoyle if procs are up
this posts about 3300 on bosses
Frost
BT>IT>OB>BS>OB >FS dump
i use HB when rime procs and i'll weave a FS in if KM procs mid rotation
however on bosses i can only put up about 2900
i can't armory myself from work but i'm Algorefiend on Koralistrasz and as far as gear goes i have Death's Bite and am one piece from the epic achievement. (wrists workiong on emblems of valor). i'm using the IT FS and OB glyphs and Sigil of Awareness there's no delay in my frost rotation since its bound to 2 keys. any suggestions what the problems are?
heres a WWS from naxx with em as unholy (the 4 wings Edit: i wasn't there for military)
Shaman have Unleashed Rage, which does the same thing as Abom's might, and improved windfury totem that does the same thing as the buff portion of improved icy talons. DK's have that better, though, since totems are a pain in the ass.
Also Trueshot Aura (MM Hunter talent) is considered the same as Abom's Might.
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ok so i went from a deep unholy 2h spec 17/0/54 to the 2h frost strike spec whic is supposed to be better DPS single target. 21/50/0 and for what ever reason no matter what spec i try i can't put up the nubers that i can with unholy . Here are my rotations:
Unholy
IT>PS>DnD>BS > explode ghoul and resummon(sub DC if ghoul is on CD)
SS>BS>SS>BS >UB or gargoyle if procs are up
this posts about 3300 on bosses
i can't help you with deep frost as i havent tried frost forever, but why are you dropping death and decay on single target bosses?
you have way too much hit though. like, way too much.
Yeah Al, you have a ton of hit and you're low on Expertise, that's going to hurt your DPS. 2h diseaseless blood should get you more damage too, and the rotation is simple.
Your gems are a little off too, the yellow in your legs could go into your gloves for a free 4crit rating, and you don't have the meta that requires 2 blue so you just want 16str or 16exp all the way.
My single target DPS went up a bit...and it SEEMS like my mitigation is better, but it might have to do with the extra stam. The 1% dodge loss wasn't so bad. I just miss epidemic.
SO we cleared all of naxx with TWO FUCKING DEATHS. both on heigan. Fucking ranged dps worried about dpsing during the dance. They died about 5 seconds before heigan died. oh well. So much for the immortal title.
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we had a survival hunter ruin our immortal on heigan.
we were also doing the 20 man too though so it wouldn't have mattered in the end.
edit: I meant to say "pick this apart please"....carry on.
What are you trying to accomplish with this spec?
It's kinda weird. why blade barrier?
Well, I don't really know what I want to do with it to be honest. I liked the sound of the self heal from Blood, and I liked the idea of being able to get out of fears with Lichborne, and I like the speed of On a Pale Horse, and I like having a pet. I added corpse explosion because it's fun. It's the whole jack of all/master of none concept I guess.
I'm dual wielding with the 32/39 spec at the moment and I love Howling Blast so I was trying to keep that.
I lose out on Bone Shield but I never use it, so I'm not disappointed.
Right now I am in defense/stamina heavy gear, which doesn't much make sense if I'm DWing, is that correct? Or does it?
Doesn't Blade Barrier add Parry when your runes are on cooldown or something to that effect? It's in a lot of builds to get to the 11 point talent that heals you in Blood...forget what it's called. Is there something wrong with Blade Barrier?
edit: I meant to say "pick this apart please"....carry on.
What are you trying to accomplish with this spec?
It's kinda weird. why blade barrier?
Well, I don't really know what I want to do with it to be honest. I liked the sound of the self heal from Blood, and I liked the idea of being able to get out of fears with Lichborne, and I like the speed of On a Pale Horse, and I like having a pet. I added corpse explosion because it's fun. It's the whole jack of all/master of none concept I guess.
I'm dual wielding with the 32/39 spec at the moment and I love Howling Blast so I was trying to keep that.
I lose out on Bone Shield but I never use it, so I'm not disappointed.
Right now I am in defense/stamina heavy gear, which doesn't much make sense if I'm DWing, is that correct? Or does it?
Doesn't Blade Barrier add Parry when your runes are on cooldown or something to that effect? It's in a lot of builds to get to the 11 point talent that heals you in Blood...forget what it's called. Is there something wrong with Blade Barrier?
You lose 2 excellent DPS talents to take blade barrier
edit: I meant to say "pick this apart please"....carry on.
What are you trying to accomplish with this spec?
It's kinda weird. why blade barrier?
Well, I don't really know what I want to do with it to be honest. I liked the sound of the self heal from Blood, and I liked the idea of being able to get out of fears with Lichborne, and I like the speed of On a Pale Horse, and I like having a pet. I added corpse explosion because it's fun. It's the whole jack of all/master of none concept I guess.
I'm dual wielding with the 32/39 spec at the moment and I love Howling Blast so I was trying to keep that.
I lose out on Bone Shield but I never use it, so I'm not disappointed.
Right now I am in defense/stamina heavy gear, which doesn't much make sense if I'm DWing, is that correct? Or does it?
Doesn't Blade Barrier add Parry when your runes are on cooldown or something to that effect? It's in a lot of builds to get to the 11 point talent that heals you in Blood...forget what it's called. Is there something wrong with Blade Barrier?
You lose 2 excellent DPS talents to take blade barrier
Yeah unless your tanking blade barrier isn't worth not taking butchery at the min, and I hope you aren't trying to tank with that.
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So anyone want to look at my build and yell at me? I have some stray points in frost I need to fix. Someone tell me where to put them so I can get better DPS
Can't link armory but the character is Rotnei on Hellscream. Right now single target I do okay but not that great. Can sometimes beat mages in AoE pulls though.
So anyone want to look at my build and yell at me? I have some stray points in frost I need to fix. Someone tell me where to put them so I can get better DPS
Can't link armory but the character is Rotnei on Hellscream. Right now single target I do okay but not that great. Can sometimes beat mages in AoE pulls though.
Well right off the jump I wonder why you have any points in toughness. Don't know much about unholy so can't say much about your choices there.
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I may not kill as fast but it takes an army to kill me!
Yeah I switched to frost and I'm loving it, good snap aggro with howling blast, in 5 mans improved ice talons helps up the dps of the meele hitters. And the three types of mit is great for oh shit moments.
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or they will nerf it like they did unholy.
i've played frost since the day i created my DK, and so help me god, i will quit this game if they take the wrench to it.
Frost isn't in danger of being nerfed. Not while everyone still rolls unholy DW.
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Okay, it wasn't a duel. But you know that's what the people you killed were saying. "I BET THOSE GUYS COULDN'T WIN IN A FAIR FIGHT, FUCKING COOLDOWNS."
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It took FOREVER, literally it probably took about 10+ minutes since both of us were in our respective role's gear. I won eventually when I managed to wear him down a bit then get a good string of interrupts (since one decent sized heal put him back at full). Meanwhile the other people hanging around dueled 2 or 3 times turn to us and said... "Are you guys STILL fighting?"
Edit: I read your post again xzzy. Comprehension, I now has it.
Right now I am DWing with the 32/39 build but is there something far superior as far as DPS is concerned?
We have 5 dedicated players in our guild: a holy pally, a mage, a level 26 priest who we are power leveling and 2 dk's. A friend of ours just got back from overseas and is going to roll a DK on our server.
Is there some synergy between the three DK's we could/should shoot for?
Unholy - Ebon Plaguebringer
Blood - Abominable Might
Frost - Improved Icy Talons
And if you want further niftiness grab the blood and Unholy Auras.
Having each dk bring one of these, and you will have amazing group synergy.
They were actually kind of applicable though. Back when some cooldowns were 10+ minutes.
Hell, they still are now in some ways. If Gargoyle is up, I win generally. If it isn't, I just kill time and stay alive till Gargoyle is up.
Rogues are probably the best example, since they had (have) a lot of decent length cooldowns. They could blow them all in one fight if they really wanted, but that'd leave them weaker for other fights.
Yes, DK abilities revolve around rune cooldowns, but those are up many times in a fight. It's not like recklessness was, with its 30 minute cooldown. Even gargoyle is less potent than recklessness was.
Edit: oops, I think I meant recklessness? :P
I'd wander around in BGs with my Gnomish Mind Control Cap and use it on Warriors. One of the things it ALWAYS did was blow their Recklessness cooldown and then own the shit out of some random clothy in the back row of their lines.
Then, 30 minutes later (When the cap's cooldown was done), I'd try and find the same warrior again to use it on.
I blew one warriors cooldowns 4 times in a row in an AV way back when.
Thank you sir...will check this out.
This is more or less the truth. It's why I'm Blood. The Melee in my raid love me!
I'm pretty sure that's provided by someone else too, like shamans or something.
Yeah, or Hunters? And I think there's something about the Shaman 20% melee haste that is better than the DK's but im not 100% sure.
edit: I meant to say "pick this apart please"....carry on.
Unholy
IT>PS>DnD>BS > explode ghoul and resummon(sub DC if ghoul is on CD)
SS>BS>SS>BS >UB or gargoyle if procs are up
this posts about 3300 on bosses
Frost
BT>IT>OB>BS>OB >FS dump
i use HB when rime procs and i'll weave a FS in if KM procs mid rotation
however on bosses i can only put up about 2900
i can't armory myself from work but i'm Algorefiend on Koralistrasz and as far as gear goes i have Death's Bite and am one piece from the epic achievement. (wrists workiong on emblems of valor). i'm using the IT FS and OB glyphs and Sigil of Awareness there's no delay in my frost rotation since its bound to 2 keys. any suggestions what the problems are?
heres a WWS from naxx with em as unholy (the 4 wings Edit: i wasn't there for military)
http://wowwebstats.com/cbbsd543fdgaa
and heres Saph and KT as frost spec (the numbers were the same DPSwise in OS25 right after)
http://wowwebstats.com/zo1kioqnfscuu
Any help would be great as the guild wants me to stay frost if i can.
Also Trueshot Aura (MM Hunter talent) is considered the same as Abom's Might.
i can't help you with deep frost as i havent tried frost forever, but why are you dropping death and decay on single target bosses?
you have way too much hit though. like, way too much.
My DK, for comparison:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Area+52&n=Quicks
Edit:
Your gems are a little off too, the yellow in your legs could go into your gloves for a free 4crit rating, and you don't have the meta that requires 2 blue so you just want 16str or 16exp all the way.
What are you trying to accomplish with this spec?
It's kinda weird. why blade barrier?
My single target DPS went up a bit...and it SEEMS like my mitigation is better, but it might have to do with the extra stam. The 1% dodge loss wasn't so bad. I just miss epidemic.
SO we cleared all of naxx with TWO FUCKING DEATHS. both on heigan. Fucking ranged dps worried about dpsing during the dance. They died about 5 seconds before heigan died. oh well. So much for the immortal title.
we were also doing the 20 man too though so it wouldn't have mattered in the end.
Well, I don't really know what I want to do with it to be honest. I liked the sound of the self heal from Blood, and I liked the idea of being able to get out of fears with Lichborne, and I like the speed of On a Pale Horse, and I like having a pet. I added corpse explosion because it's fun. It's the whole jack of all/master of none concept I guess.
I'm dual wielding with the 32/39 spec at the moment and I love Howling Blast so I was trying to keep that.
I lose out on Bone Shield but I never use it, so I'm not disappointed.
Right now I am in defense/stamina heavy gear, which doesn't much make sense if I'm DWing, is that correct? Or does it?
Doesn't Blade Barrier add Parry when your runes are on cooldown or something to that effect? It's in a lot of builds to get to the 11 point talent that heals you in Blood...forget what it's called. Is there something wrong with Blade Barrier?
You lose 2 excellent DPS talents to take blade barrier
Yeah unless your tanking blade barrier isn't worth not taking butchery at the min, and I hope you aren't trying to tank with that.
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Can't link armory but the character is Rotnei on Hellscream. Right now single target I do okay but not that great. Can sometimes beat mages in AoE pulls though.
Well right off the jump I wonder why you have any points in toughness. Don't know much about unholy so can't say much about your choices there.
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