By that logic, every boss that isn't a dps race or tank and spank is a gimmick. You avoid lava waves on Sartharion. Trade bloodboils + random member becomes a tank on Gurtogg. Can't die without hurting your whole raid on Archimonde.
Variety, I'd say. Most bosses with special conditions get fucked up in lag. Heigan is really no worse. Actually we managed The Safety Dance achievement WITH the lag, which is surprising since we always had at least one idiot die every attempt before.
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edited January 2009
that encounter, specifically, is bugged with regards to Pound.
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edited January 2009
I suppose this feels different because it encompasses so much of the actual encounter. Sarth's waves require you to step out or stay put, and even then it's just one movement per wave. That's quite a bit different than the safety shuffle that you have to do with Heigan.
I know there are lots of fights with gimmicks, this one just seems more "gimmicky" than the rest that I've done thus far (never did BT or Hyjal, can't speak to those).
Lag dying on Archimonde would fuck your whole raid, basically. Not a forgiving fight at all, however actually quite easy once you knew the steps. But if the servers had been lagging in Hyjal like they have been in Naxx lately? You wouldn't even bother starting.
25 man Heigan is pretty much the same as 10 man. 40 man Heigan's dance was a lot faster.
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Lag dying on Archimonde would fuck your whole raid, basically. Not a forgiving fight at all, however actually quite easy once you knew the steps. But if the servers had been lagging in Hyjal like they have been in Naxx lately? You wouldn't even bother starting.
25 man Heigan is pretty much the same as 10 man. 40 man Heigan's dance was a lot faster.
it cant have been much faster, even a second faster would leave you without enough time
Lag dying on Archimonde would fuck your whole raid, basically. Not a forgiving fight at all, however actually quite easy once you knew the steps. But if the servers had been lagging in Hyjal like they have been in Naxx lately? You wouldn't even bother starting.
25 man Heigan is pretty much the same as 10 man. 40 man Heigan's dance was a lot faster.
it cant have been much faster, even a second faster would leave you without enough time
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Hate: My guild is starting to bitch about us forming an alliance with another guild to do 25 man content, and not trying to do it with the other 10 man group that could barely finish spider wing in 3 hours.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited January 2009
I literally just killed him 2 seconds ago and i tell you it is no way faster. obviously a video is kinda hard to tell, but i was mentally counting my steps and its no faster. certainly not an amount anywhere approaching half a seocnd
I think the dance when he's up on the platform is slower now too. I remember in the 40 man version just running across without ever pausing, and if you started running from the edge zones too late, you were screwed. Now, in the 25 and 10 man versions I have to pause in each of the middle zones so that i dont run into the next zone too soon.
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More you trying to get off any kind of attack and getting melted by the lava poison. Gotta concentrate hard on the fight, but people with some kind of run speed bonus might be able to get off a couple of quick instant pot shots at him.
More you trying to get off any kind of attack and getting melted by the lava poison. Gotta concentrate hard on the fight, but people with some kind of run speed bonus might be able to get off a couple of quick instant pot shots at him.
Or just have a ranged attack and don't worry about movement.
More you trying to get off any kind of attack and getting melted by the lava poison. Gotta concentrate hard on the fight, but people with some kind of run speed bonus might be able to get off a couple of quick instant pot shots at him.
Or just have a ranged attack and don't worry about movement.
I can't really dps during p2, because otherwise I end up tanking Heigen.
Is that the type of exploding you meant?
He's tauntable so you really shouldn't have a problem.
I didn't know he was tauntable, but I don't like taking risks with threat. I did actually pull once, and I thought my soulshatter got it off of me, but I didn't look to see if he got taunted off of me too.
I usually dps a little in p2, but curtail my dps even more than running around forces me to.
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Make sure if you have people who can never manage to do it that after the third try you do ready checks every 25 seconds to see who's not afk. If they go afk they don't get loot. We found out 2 or 3 people were dying intentionally just so they could go have a smoke or have dinner because it was one of those "oh they can do it without me but I don't want to slow down the raid and I still want loot" moments.
They didn't get loot, oooooh poor baby didn't get that dps plate shoulder set? Awwww, I did. For my ret set. Guess you should try next time. Oh wait, you don't get to come anymore, shucks. That pug we replaced you three with did make out on loot you wanted though.
Maybe next week we'll get the safety dance.
I won't hold my breath.
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More you trying to get off any kind of attack and getting melted by the lava poison. Gotta concentrate hard on the fight, but people with some kind of run speed bonus might be able to get off a couple of quick instant pot shots at him.
Or just have a ranged attack and don't worry about movement.
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This.
My favorite is hunters who try to squeeze out a few Steady Shots. I can generally tell at that point that they're the petarded kind. Any hunter with any level of intelligence would use instant shots, only the "elitistjurks told mee 2 uz stedy shot!" types actually die.
Which is all of my guild's hunters.
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edited January 2009
I wonder if Elitist Jerks ever thought about disseminating blatantly false information just to fuck with people, since so many people take them on their word these days.
I wonder if Elitist Jerks ever thought about disseminating blatantly false information just to fuck with people, since so many people take them on their word these days.
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I wonder if Elitist Jerks ever thought about disseminating blatantly false information just to fuck with people, since so many people take them on their word these days.
When I become rich, I will buy power, then spread lies, then make fun of everyone for being gullible and stupid
I fear the day that elitistjerks does an April Fool's gag. Or maybe the day after.
It doesn't seem much faster. Maybe a half a second at the most. Still plenty of time to do it.
Well no shit. If they didn't give you time to do it, it wouldn't be a very fair encounter. It is faster. It's almost painfully slow as it is now.
Yeah I'm going to have to agree with Dalph it doesn't really seem much faster at all.
Well, fine. I guess you have to experience it to notice the difference. There's also the fact that having 40 people do the dance is more hectic than 10 or 25.
I never did 40 man Naxx, but several people have commented on how much faster and harder it used to be.
I still don't really get how it could ever be hard. You're moving from left to right, to left again. There's only so hard you can make that. I think the only people who would ever have trouble with this sort of thing are the Hello Kitty keyboard turners that never learned how to strafe in an FPS.
Anyways, I generally just tell the people that said it used to be hard that they were most likely bad at the game a few years back and congratulate them on learning how to move.
Of course, you also have to take into account your average hardware two years back. If there was lag, it was most likely due to hardware.
Yeah, having done 40 man naxx, everything was much much harder. I know its hard to imagine seeing it like it is now, but remember we have 20 more levels and 2+ years of polishing the game.
Little things like hots not stacking make a hell of a difference in every fight.
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Now he's thowing a hissy fit and refuses to raid. Thanks for ruining it for 9 other people pal.
Hope: He snaps out of it. And that I can keep my cool and not call him the names he earned in my book right now...
You have to remember it was tuned a lot higher then, too. And some of the fights (horsemen olol) have been made much easier mechanically.
Yeah, that's apparent. You also had 15 extra people you had to coddle and tighter tuning that really probably wasn't even rivaled until Sunwell.
That said, I still can't ever see myself having a problem with the safety dance.
Everything did alot more damage(proportionally), people did less, and the fight mechanics were slightly different.
For example, Razuvious' shouts would actually kill people and Faerlina spammed high damage poison on the whole raid every couple of seconds. In addition to the logistical difficulties.
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Variety, I'd say. Most bosses with special conditions get fucked up in lag. Heigan is really no worse. Actually we managed The Safety Dance achievement WITH the lag, which is surprising since we always had at least one idiot die every attempt before.
I know there are lots of fights with gimmicks, this one just seems more "gimmicky" than the rest that I've done thus far (never did BT or Hyjal, can't speak to those).
25 man Heigan is pretty much the same as 10 man. 40 man Heigan's dance was a lot faster.
Progression: Got myself some more DKP tonight. And achievments. Heroic Military Quarter, Heroic Construct Quarter, Heroic Sapphiron, and got KT to around 20% during two tries.
I survived the first time, because I looked at screenshots, diagrams, and videos before I went in.
it cant have been much faster, even a second faster would leave you without enough time
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Hate: My guild is starting to bitch about us forming an alliance with another guild to do 25 man content, and not trying to do it with the other 10 man group that could barely finish spider wing in 3 hours.
More deep breaths.
Well no shit. If they didn't give you time to do it, it wouldn't be a very fair encounter. It is faster. It's almost painfully slow as it is now.
Yeah I'm going to have to agree with Dalph it doesn't really seem much faster at all.
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I do end up healing because I tend to be faster than everyone else, and there's always one person who gets nailed for 6K.
It's even more fun when other dps try to duplicate it, and continue to dps, only to get explodified. Lulz.
Is that the type of exploding you meant?
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Or just have a ranged attack and don't worry about movement.
I love my death coil and icy touch.
you can also drop DnD on him while you're dancing
He's tauntable so you really shouldn't have a problem.
I didn't know he was tauntable, but I don't like taking risks with threat. I did actually pull once, and I thought my soulshatter got it off of me, but I didn't look to see if he got taunted off of me too.
I usually dps a little in p2, but curtail my dps even more than running around forces me to.
They didn't get loot, oooooh poor baby didn't get that dps plate shoulder set? Awwww, I did. For my ret set. Guess you should try next time. Oh wait, you don't get to come anymore, shucks. That pug we replaced you three with did make out on loot you wanted though.
Maybe next week we'll get the safety dance.
I won't hold my breath.
This.
My favorite is hunters who try to squeeze out a few Steady Shots. I can generally tell at that point that they're the petarded kind. Any hunter with any level of intelligence would use instant shots, only the "elitistjurks told mee 2 uz stedy shot!" types actually die.
Which is all of my guild's hunters.
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I fear the day that elitistjerks does an April Fool's gag. Or maybe the day after.
Well, fine. I guess you have to experience it to notice the difference. There's also the fact that having 40 people do the dance is more hectic than 10 or 25.
I still don't really get how it could ever be hard. You're moving from left to right, to left again. There's only so hard you can make that. I think the only people who would ever have trouble with this sort of thing are the Hello Kitty keyboard turners that never learned how to strafe in an FPS.
Anyways, I generally just tell the people that said it used to be hard that they were most likely bad at the game a few years back and congratulate them on learning how to move.
Of course, you also have to take into account your average hardware two years back. If there was lag, it was most likely due to hardware.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Little things like hots not stacking make a hell of a difference in every fight.
Yeah, that's apparent. You also had 15 extra people you had to coddle and tighter tuning that really probably wasn't even rivaled until Sunwell.
That said, I still can't ever see myself having a problem with the safety dance.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF: Our best Guild healer got pissed off about "too much TS chatter" and rolling late for a Staff (he rolled a 100 as well...) in the first raid day after the reset. Nevervemind we cleared 3 wings. Yeah sucks, but shit like that happens.
Now he's thowing a hissy fit and refuses to raid. Thanks for ruining it for 9 other people pal.
Hope: He snaps out of it. And that I can keep my cool and not call him the names he earned in my book right now...
Everything did alot more damage(proportionally), people did less, and the fight mechanics were slightly different.
For example, Razuvious' shouts would actually kill people and Faerlina spammed high damage poison on the whole raid every couple of seconds. In addition to the logistical difficulties.