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Buying a Men's Suit

RecklessReckless Registered User regular
edited November 2006 in Help / Advice Forum
My girl and I are going to buy my very first suit ever today. As such, I don't really know what I should be looking for as far as color, material, etc.

I'm buying it primarily for prom/school formal sort of events, but also because suits demand respect and, as I recently turned 18, it's fairly important to own one for interviews and the like.

So, what should I be looking for? I've got a budget of roughly $200. I'll be going to a warehouse/outlet-style shop.

Thanks for any help. :D

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  • DocDoc Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Go for dark gray or black. At $200 for a full suit, your options are going to be somewhat limited in terms of selection and materials. The guy at the shop will be able to help a LOT in this regard.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Doc's said pretty much all there is to say on the subject. Dark grey is the first suit colour as it's most flexible. If you're chubby, I guess go for a three piece (suite and waistcoat) rather than a standard suit.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    mcdermott wrote:
    Are you talking about $200 including a shirt and tie? Or just for the slacks/jacket? Because getting an entire suit (shirt, tie, shoes, belt, etc) at $200 is going to be a real stretch, if it's even possible.

    Eh. You can get £80 suits in the UK. They're a bit cheap, but then they're a bit cheap. Also, blue? Eww. Maybe as a strictly work only suit, but wearing a blue suit to a social event makes you look like you just came straight from work. Now brown is a classy colour, but that involves an entirely different set of shoes and accessories. Best to stick with shades of grey to begin with - dark grey for general use and maybe a light grey for weddings etc.

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  • ParroteerParroteer Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I won't say which you should get first, but I'd say a very dark blue and a moderate to dark grey are the first two you should get. I pretty much always prefer pin-stripe.

    In my experience $200 would be pretty hard to pull off for just the suit, unless you find a really nice sale, but it's possible. The store that sells it should help you out with all the rest, like the fitting, the proper tailoring adjustments, cuff style etc.

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  • RecklessReckless Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Belt and Shoes are already taken care of. I'm going down right now, so I'll see what the store employees have to say.

    Here's the place I'm buying at. How's it look to you guys?

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  • RaggaholicRaggaholic Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I'm going to have to stand alone here and say that your first two "adult" suits should be black and navy blue. As an 18 year old, you're not going to be going to too many social events that are going to require a suit/jacket, thus you can hold off on the medium to dark gray.

    Being in NY, you should have a ton of places to go to get a good suit at $200-$250 if you're just looking for the jacket/trousers.

    Oh, and... um... stay away from the "Steve Harvey Collection."

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  • drhazarddrhazard Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    As an addendum to the OP, how does one go about finding a decent place to get a suit from? Unfortunately, I have a unique body-size that keeps me from walking into a Brooks Brothers outlet store and pulling a decent suit off the rack without substantial alteration, so I'd want to know how to find a reputable store/tailor/etc. What about a department store like JCPenney--is it possible for me to just get a suit there, and have them alter it, and expect to get something decent? I'm worried they would be too impersonal to worry about fitting me correctly.

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  • Conditional_AxeConditional_Axe Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    drhazard wrote:
    As an addendum to the OP, how does one go about finding a decent place to get a suit from? Unfortunately, I have a unique body-size that keeps me from walking into a Brooks Brothers outlet store and pulling a decent suit off the rack without substantial alteration, so I'd want to know how to find a reputable store/tailor/etc. What about a department store like JCPenney--is it possible for me to just get a suit there, and have them alter it, and expect to get something decent? I'm worried they would be too impersonal to worry about fitting me correctly.
    Your best bet is to go to a locally owned men's clothier. In my experience, they tend to have a pretty big selection of sizes and also have an on-site tailor. It may be a bit pricier than going to, like, Men's Wearhouse or what have you, but it will be worth it.

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  • ZsetrekZsetrek Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    The key to looking good in a suit is being well-fitted. You can be wearing the worst coloured suit ever, but so long as it looks good on your body, you're doing OK.

    If you're really keen, you could take it to be fitted at a tailor. That's relatively cheap, and it can make a big difference.

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  • precisionkprecisionk Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Zsetrek wrote:
    The key to looking good in a suit is being well-fitted. You can be wearing the worst coloured suit ever, but so long as it looks good on your body, you're doing OK.

    If you're really keen, you could take it to be fitted at a tailor. That's relatively cheap, and it can make a big difference.

    Untrue, having the wrong color of suit can complete blow your interview. Why I know this? Because, at my job, we have turned down guys simply because they weren't properly wearing dress attire.

    Pick a dark navy blue or black suit. Ensure that it is tailored. You must tailor it, otherwise, you will look quite ridiculous. For $200, it will be hard press to find a nice suit for that price.

    Places I would check:

    -Target: They have started to carry suits now in the Men's section, very reasonable.
    -Men's Warehouse: My personal favorite, excellent service, they can point you in your price range and help you find the best suit, plus you can get it tailored right there.

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  • Nitsuj82Nitsuj82 Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I completely disagree with dark grey or black. Get a simple navy blue wool suit; flat front pants with a three button jacket. White or light blue shirts are optimal, and do NOT get a loud tie. Something solid or with simple stripes is perfect.

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  • FaricazyFaricazy Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I highly recommend Men's Warehouse. Just go there, tell them you want a nice suit to wear places, and they'll hook you up. They aren't very expensive either. Fantastic stores.

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  • ZsetrekZsetrek Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    precisionk wrote:
    Zsetrek wrote:
    The key to looking good in a suit is being well-fitted. You can be wearing the worst coloured suit ever, but so long as it looks good on your body, you're doing OK.

    If you're really keen, you could take it to be fitted at a tailor. That's relatively cheap, and it can make a big difference.

    Untrue, having the wrong color of suit can complete blow your interview. Why I know this? Because, at my job, we have turned down guys simply because they weren't properly wearing dress attire.

    Didn't read the stuff about interviews.

    Yeah, get dark grey/blue.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Nitsuj82 wrote:
    I completely disagree with dark grey or black. Get a simple navy blue wool suit; flat front pants with a three button jacket. White or light blue shirts are optimal, and do NOT get a loud tie. Something solid or with simple stripes is perfect.

    Blue suits only work in an office environment and mostly only the financial sector at that. I can't picture anybody looking good in a blue suit at a formal do.

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  • precisionkprecisionk Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Nitsuj82 wrote:
    I completely disagree with dark grey or black. Get a simple navy blue wool suit; flat front pants with a three button jacket. White or light blue shirts are optimal, and do NOT get a loud tie. Something solid or with simple stripes is perfect.

    Blue suits only work in an office environment and mostly only the financial sector at that. I can't picture anybody looking good in a blue suit at a formal do.

    Dark blue/Navy Blue tend to be fit for all matters. The best is to get a suit which is so dark blue, it can look black in instances, thus, you have two suits in one!

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  • SkwirlSkwirl Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I wouldn't plan on weaing a suit to prom. Most of the time most everyone else will be in a rented tux and you are going to look weird. Especially if you are in a blue suit when every other guy will be sporting the black and white. Also Prom is one of the few times you get to wear a tux. I had a friend wear a suit and he looked like a tool.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    precisionk wrote:
    Nitsuj82 wrote:
    I completely disagree with dark grey or black. Get a simple navy blue wool suit; flat front pants with a three button jacket. White or light blue shirts are optimal, and do NOT get a loud tie. Something solid or with simple stripes is perfect.

    Blue suits only work in an office environment and mostly only the financial sector at that. I can't picture anybody looking good in a blue suit at a formal do.

    Dark blue/Navy Blue tend to be fit for all matters. The best is to get a suit which is so dark blue, it can look black in instances, thus, you have two suits in one!

    I think dark grey would be safer, but it's granny smith and golden delicious.

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Nitsuj82 wrote:
    I completely disagree with dark grey or black. Get a simple navy blue wool suit; flat front pants with a three button jacket. White or light blue shirts are optimal, and do NOT get a loud tie. Something solid or with simple stripes is perfect.

    Blue suits only work in an office environment and mostly only the financial sector at that. I can't picture anybody looking good in a blue suit at a formal do.

    We're not talking about something really light.

    This is a very appropriate color for many/all suit occasions.

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  • CptKemzikCptKemzik Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    If we are talking about prom here, have you considered white suits? A tailored white suit with black shirt, belt, and shoes, and a solid red tie is a classy combination, and you won't look like a tool with a suit of more conventional colors. Of course it'd only be suitable (pun not intended) for prom and other fancy social/party things, and they don't come cheap.

    Really for prom you are definately better off renting a tux. While for other events, flat-front khakis, a nice dark blue jacket, and shirt w/ tie can work just as well than buying a full on suit.

    I dont really see the need for getting a suit, unless you are immediately entering the office enviroment of the working world, and considering you are a senior in high school that doesn't look to be the case. Really for interviews, the jacket, shirt w/ tie, and khakis works out nicely.

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  • ecchiecchi Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I hate calling people 'tools' but honestly nothing screams 'tool' to me more than a white suit or tux. I've only seen it pulled off well by black dudes (I'm assuming we're all nerdy white boys here), but even then, the whole outfit has to be perfect and there's no way a $200 suit will be perfect.

    New York has an H&M, right? Their suits are probably the best-fitted off-the-rack stuff you'll find in America. It's been a while since I've been there so I don't remember how much they cost, but I'm pretty sure it's under $300.


    The most important thing, aside from color, I guess, is that it fits in the shoulders. That is the hardest thing for a tailor to fix -- in most cases it's impossible or would cost more than buying a new shirt/jacket.

    Also, get your ties at thrift stores. It'll take some searching, but you should be able to score some nice ones for literally a fifth of what they'd cost new.

    ...also, I see now that you've already left. Oh well.

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  • RecklessReckless Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I picked up a nice black suit, blue shirt, dark blue tie, and black slacks for just under $200. I'll take it all to a tailor this weekend.

    Thanks for the help, and feel free to keep adding advice to the subject. Seems to be a popular topic.

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  • blincolnblincoln Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Septus wrote:
    We're not talking about something really light.

    This is a very appropriate color for many/all suit occasions.

    suitpv3.jpg

    That looks like charcoal grey to me, not any shade of blue. Not that I'm complaining - I'm not a fan of suits that can't be represented correctly in greyscale.

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  • BasarBasar IstanbulRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    precisionk wrote:
    Untrue, having the wrong color of suit can complete blow your interview. Why I know this? Because, at my job, we have turned down guys simply because they weren't properly wearing dress attire.

    Who do you work for? I hope not a F500C. If so, please let me know so I can add it to my list of places to avoid.

    I agree that a dark grey or black suit is a must for interviews but turning down a candidate for the color of their suit is quite often mental masturbation for a hiring manager with low self-esteem.
    Places I would check:

    -Target: They have started to carry suits now in the Men's section, very reasonable.
    -Men's Warehouse: My personal favorite, excellent service, they can point you in your price range and help you find the best suit, plus you can get it tailored right there.

    Both crappy IMO.

    To the OP:

    Good luck finding a nice suit for $200. That's about how much I spend on the fabric alone.

    Once you are older and have more money, remember this: tailors > stores. I buy quality fabric like Zegna and just get my tailor to do the rest of the work.

    Cheers.

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  • BasarBasar IstanbulRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    ecchi wrote:
    I hate calling people 'tools' but honestly nothing screams 'tool' to me more than a white suit or tux. I've only seen it pulled off well by black dudes (I'm assuming we're all nerdy white boys here), but even then, the whole outfit has to be perfect and there's no way a $200 suit will be perfect.

    Det. James 'Sonny' Crockett pulled it off pretty well.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Basar wrote:
    ecchi wrote:
    I hate calling people 'tools' but honestly nothing screams 'tool' to me more than a white suit or tux. I've only seen it pulled off well by black dudes (I'm assuming we're all nerdy white boys here), but even then, the whole outfit has to be perfect and there's no way a $200 suit will be perfect.

    Det. James 'Sonny' Crockett pulled it off pretty well.

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    Haha! No, he didn't.

    Unless by 'pulled it off' you mean 'looked like a tool'.

    Also, Stubbs is demonstrating the exception that proves the rule regarding my theory on blue suits being strictly for wearing in offices for financial businesses. Some blue suits are, in fact, entirely inappropriate for any circumstances.

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    blincoln wrote:
    Septus wrote:
    We're not talking about something really light.

    This is a very appropriate color for many/all suit occasions.

    suitpv3.jpg

    That looks like charcoal grey to me, not any shade of blue. Not that I'm complaining - I'm not a fan of suits that can't be represented correctly in greyscale.

    It's specifically listed as blue in the store.

    Very dark blue and black suits can look pretty close in color.

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  • drhazarddrhazard Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Basar wrote:
    Once you are older and have more money, remember this: tailors > stores. I buy quality fabric like Zegna and just get my tailor to do the rest of the work.
    See, this is my initial thinking, but how does one go about finding a good tailor? The only one I know of is the one in the mall back home, and I'm definitely not using their services.

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  • precisionkprecisionk Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    drhazard wrote:
    Basar wrote:
    Once you are older and have more money, remember this: tailors > stores. I buy quality fabric like Zegna and just get my tailor to do the rest of the work.
    See, this is my initial thinking, but how does one go about finding a good tailor? The only one I know of is the one in the mall back home, and I'm definitely not using their services.

    Have to go to a suit shop or know of someone who does tailoriing off hand. I sitll claim that Men's Warehouse will be your best choice. You could do a JCPenny, Macy's or Sears route, but you would still need to find a tailor.

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  • drhazarddrhazard Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I know the best answer is, "ask for recommendations," but I'm 23 and in the suburbs. I don't really know anyone who uses a tailor, at least around here. :?

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  • FaricazyFaricazy Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    precisionk wrote:
    drhazard wrote:
    Basar wrote:
    Once you are older and have more money, remember this: tailors > stores. I buy quality fabric like Zegna and just get my tailor to do the rest of the work.
    See, this is my initial thinking, but how does one go about finding a good tailor? The only one I know of is the one in the mall back home, and I'm definitely not using their services.

    Have to go to a suit shop or know of someone who does tailoriing off hand. I sitll claim that Men's Warehouse will be your best choice. You could do a JCPenny, Macy's or Sears route, but you would still need to find a tailor.
    Me too. And it's not very expensive there. And the service is great.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Faricazy wrote:
    precisionk wrote:
    drhazard wrote:
    Basar wrote:
    Once you are older and have more money, remember this: tailors > stores. I buy quality fabric like Zegna and just get my tailor to do the rest of the work.
    See, this is my initial thinking, but how does one go about finding a good tailor? The only one I know of is the one in the mall back home, and I'm definitely not using their services.

    Have to go to a suit shop or know of someone who does tailoriing off hand. I sitll claim that Men's Warehouse will be your best choice. You could do a JCPenny, Macy's or Sears route, but you would still need to find a tailor.
    Me too. And it's not very expensive there. And the service is great.

    Suits tailored from scratch are generally ridiculously expensive. Fucking fantastic if you can afford it, but we aren't all investment bankers. A good off-the-peg shop should have a tailoring service either built into the price of the suit or as an added extra. You can get a designer suit with a really nice cut and then have it adjusted to to best fit your requirements. Best of both worlds IMO - you get a well designed suit made from good material fitted to your size at an affordable price.

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  • FaricazyFaricazy Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Faricazy wrote:
    precisionk wrote:
    drhazard wrote:
    Basar wrote:
    Once you are older and have more money, remember this: tailors > stores. I buy quality fabric like Zegna and just get my tailor to do the rest of the work.
    See, this is my initial thinking, but how does one go about finding a good tailor? The only one I know of is the one in the mall back home, and I'm definitely not using their services.

    Have to go to a suit shop or know of someone who does tailoriing off hand. I sitll claim that Men's Warehouse will be your best choice. You could do a JCPenny, Macy's or Sears route, but you would still need to find a tailor.
    Me too. And it's not very expensive there. And the service is great.

    Suits tailored from scratch are generally ridiculously expensive. Fucking fantastic if you can afford it, but we aren't all investment bankers. A good off-the-peg shop should have a tailoring service either built into the price of the suit or as an added extra. You can get a designer suit with a really nice cut and then have it adjusted to to best fit your requirements. Best of both worlds IMO - you get a well designed suit made from good material fitted to your size at an affordable price.
    That's what Men's Warehouse does.

    Linkie.

    And as I said, the prices start off at a very reasonable price point.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Yeah, they look similar to Slaters Menswear in the UK. Big range of off-the-peg suits from under a hundred quid to well over eight hundred. Definately best to start in places like that until you have the money/confidence in what you want to go into a tailors or fancier designer suit shop like Jaeger or somewhere.

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  • FaricazyFaricazy Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    The most important thing is that they get guys like this every day, and they will known exactly what you need to look at and will show you all the options.

    :^:

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  • mspencermspencer PAX [ENFORCER] Council Bluffs, IARegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I agree -- I went to Mens Wearhouse, paid too much, but got a really sharp looking interview suit. (I'm also nearly 30 and a college grad, so I felt more justified in spending > $500 on the whole thing.)

    If you really want to impress, it's important that the suit fit your frame -- you need to have it altered to fit you, even if you start with a cheap suit.

    I'd avoid buying dress shoes from someplace that also sells suits unless you have no other option. If you have an Allen Edmonds near you, try them. Their shoes are usually rather expensive, but go in and ask for "salesman samples." These are shoes that can't be sold as new because people have had their feet in them, but sell for $100 - $150 instead of $400-$500. (I lucked out -- the sales guy had JUST put out a pair in my exact size minutes before I walked in the door.)

    If you get dress shoes, get black cap-toe shoes if you're going for traditional formal. Cap-toe is basically what it sounds like -- a cap over where your toes are, with a plain horizontal line going across. Wingtip is a bit less formal, I've been told.

    If you can find leather sole shoes, get them. I thought leather soles would slip and slide like nobody's business, but actually the thick leather bottoms get roughed up pretty well and have decent traction. It's subtle -- I've been told people won't consciously notice -- but leather sole shoes also have a different footstep sound that tells peoples' ears "old traditional dress shoe." I don't know -- the footsteps are loud and noticable, but they sound more like "lawyer walking through a courthouse" than some lady's shoe or a tapdancing shoe or something.

    (The rest of the shoe care stuff they sell might be crap, but for the love of God if you buy expensive men's shoes also buy a cedar shoe tree. It's a little spring-loaded human-foot-shaped thing that keeps the shoe dry, uninfected, and in the proper shape to receive your foot again in the future.)

    If you get a suit that fits, it's also important that you wear it properly. While you're standing or walking, the front button is buttoned. As you sit down you reach over and unbutton the button. When you stand up again you re-button it. A properly fitted suit is supposed to be too tight if you try to sit down with the coat buttoned. So if you're sitting there in your interview with the front button buttoned and your suit's all bunched up because it's being stretched the wrong way, that makes people think "LOL n00b" more or less. :-)

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