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Blu Ray worth it at 720p?

ScumdoggScumdogg Registered User regular
edited December 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
So now that Little Big Planet is out and my wife sees somethin' she likes on the PS3, we'll probably be making that purchase sometime very shortly after christmas.

I'm pretty excited about converting to Blu Ray, since a lot of trade-in places around here have tons of good movies for like $8-12, and i noticed sale prices on The Dark Knight were only like $2 apart for DVD and Blu Ray.

I've talked a good game about the format and now my wife is pretty excited too, but what i want to know is, is it going to look pretty rockin' still even though i don't have 1080p? Our tv is a 52" Samsung DLP with 720p, and i notice a HUGE difference in the resolution between 90% of our DVD collection and say, the 360 or HD tv shows.

So has anyone else made the conversion with a 720p? Is it still pretty awesome? Or is there some sort of horrible downscaling issue that's going to make me look dumb for spending $500 or whatever?

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I have a 50-inch Samsung plasma that is 720p. Sitting about 10 feet away, I can see a significant difference between an upconverted DVD and a Blu Ray movie on my PS3. The difference between 480p (DVD) and 720p is definitely noticeable. Even with the DVD video being scaled by the PS3, Blu Ray looks noticeably better. You can even tell the difference between HD cable and Blu Ray in 720p, which really isn't surprising given how compressed cable can be.

    Remember also that your mileage will vary disc to disc. Just because a movie is on Blu Ray doesn't mean that they did a good job with the mumbo-jumbo that goes into taking the master and putting it on the disc. I've watched a few Blu Ray movies that pretty much looked like DVD. But stuff that's been done right looks GREAT. Rent the BBC Planet Earth series on Blu Ray, and you'll see what I mean.

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  • ScumdoggScumdogg Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    Remember also that your mileage will vary disc to disc. Just because a movie is on Blu Ray doesn't mean that they did a good job with the mumbo-jumbo that goes into taking the master and putting it on the disc. I've watched a few Blu Ray movies that pretty much looked like DVD. But stuff that's been done right looks GREAT. Rent the BBC Planet Earth series on Blu Ray, and you'll see what I mean.


    Quality varying from disc to disc shouldn't be too much of a concern. I have way too many DVDs to ever think about switching over entirely, i really just want Blu Ray for high-budget special effects stuff (Iron Man, Speed Racer, etc), Criterion releases, and other things that i know will have the work put into 'em. Otherwise i've got no real problems with DVD for most things.

    And yes, i'll totally be buying the Planet Earth set. I saw some of it on tv a while back and it's been one of the major factors in my desire for Blu Ray.

    Thanks for the advice!

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  • OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I don't know about "worth it" in terms of the cost right now (that's up to you, whether you value visual quality that much) but yeah there's a huge visual difference in quality between SD and 720p on my 37" LCD. Huge. So if you're getting a PS3 anyway, definitely try it and see for yourself.

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  • JAEFJAEF Unstoppably Bald Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I notice a huge difference in the quality of DVD<->BluRay on a 32" (even with a PS3 doing a great upconverting job.) It's going to be night and day on a 52".

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  • victor_c26victor_c26 Chicago, ILRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Exactly, it's definitely worth it.

    Not only that, but the sound itself sounds fantastic. Blood Diamond's sound quality on Blu-Ray is superb; it's so full and unfettered. Explosions sound deep and surreal, not compressed and flattened.

    Can't wait to watch The Dark Night on Blu-Ray, I've got the disc, I just need the time to watch it again. Hopefully Friday night.

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  • victor_c26victor_c26 Chicago, ILRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »
    victor_c26 wrote: »
    Exactly, it's definitely worth it.

    Not only that, but the sound itself sounds fantastic. Blood Diamond's sound quality on Blu-Ray is superb; it's so full and unfettered. Explosions sound deep and surreal, not compressed and flattened.

    Can't wait to watch The Dark Night on Blu-Ray, I've got the disc, I just need the time to watch it again. Hopefully Friday night.

    Does Blu-Ray improve sound on legacy amplifiers, though? I was under the impression that if you're putting it into an old-school AC3/DTS amplifier, you're basically getting the same sound you would off a DVD...that you need a new receiver to benefit from the uncompressed/higher-bitrate audio (in addition to the 7.1 obviously).

    Essentially yes.

    Though I think it's done differently then it was on DVD. On DVD you only got the Dolby Digital and DTS fixed tracks.

    On Blu-Ray though, correct me if I'm wrong, has the full loss-less recording of the soundtrack, which itself is the source of all possible codec formats that can be used (ie DD, DTS, DTS-Master, DD True HD, etc). Leaving the player to encode a stream according to the situation/equipment.

    This might help and cut the authoring middle-man that may skimp on a few frequencies here and there to save disc space. Not 100% though.

    EDIT: Nevermind, Just read that it's essentially the same process (Seperate recorded tracks). Though that still doesn't eliminate the possibility that the DD and DTS tracks on Blu-Ray discs were authored without touching or removing frequencies "by hand".

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  • ScumdoggScumdogg Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    True, true, i didn't need much convincing. I am super excited about this, just need to get through Christmas first.

    Basically i just didn't want to get it, buy some Blu Ray movies, and have my wife go "this looks exactly the same". I'd still HAVE the PS3 at that point, granted. But street cred for future crazy purchases would lessen dramatically.

    Not that it was a huge worry, she's a gamer and a movie lover, through and through. I just wanted to make sure it was going to be a noticeable enough upgrade to justify my hype train. :D

    I'm also really happy to hear people say that the PS3 does a nice job upconverting DVDs. That is definitely a plus for me!

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  • AlphariusAlpharius Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    bit of a hijack - when playing DVDs does the PS3 have a noticeable pause when it changes layer? It akways really bugs me when I'm watching a film

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  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Scumdogg: Yes it's worth it at 720P/1080i, unless you have old person eyes :P. The transfer process to blu-ray will affect how much better it appears in blu-ray. The PQ-jockeys over at AVSforum have a nice thread about which movies benefit most from the blu-ray treatment here.

    mcdermott/victor_c26: If you want lossless audio from a PS3, you need to have a receiver that will accept Linear PCM over HDMI.

    ]-[arlequin: I've never seen such a pause *on my PS3*.

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  • Idx86Idx86 Long days and pleasant nights.Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    ' wrote:
    -[arlequin;8167632']bit of a hijack - when playing DVDs does the PS3 have a noticeable pause when it changes layer? It akways really bugs me when I'm watching a film

    I feel like this has happened on every DVD player that I've owned. For reference, that means a PS2, a cheap Insignia DVD player for our bedroom, and a nicer 5 disc DVD player/receiver.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I've never noticed it, but it's not something I've ever been on the lookout for, either.

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