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So I'm relatively new to the Fantasy genre. I've read the Lord of the Rings, and a dozen or so Piers Anthony books. I'm currently re-reading the Wheel of Time.
And that's about it.
I know I've seen book threads before, but they never focus on any specific genre.
Thoughts? What do you think makes a good fantasy novel?
I'm going to recommend any Warhammer 40k novels, because I kind of want to read one, and I'd like someone to refine my suggestion thereby giving me a title.
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edited November 2006
George RR Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire series.
Jack Vance's Tales of a Dying Earth is fantasy-ish
Gene Wolfe - Basically all of his books. Seriously. Read him
Michael Swanwick - Iron Dragon's Daughter. Tales of a foundling coming of age in a world of elves and the Industrial Revolution. Like Neil Gaiman, but very good.
Well, it might be good to recommend some fantasy novels that're just one novel. I know I'm always on the lookout for something I can read and be done with, rather than having to wait several years for the rest of the story.
I swear, if fucking Robert Jordan dies before WoT is finished, heads will roll. I don't even fucking like it anymore, but I'm too invested to stop reading.
Speaking of A Song of Ice and Fire, has anyone read those two novellas that take place before the main books? The Hedge Knight and The Sworn Sword, I think they're called?
Are they worth tracking down?
Edit- No, Eragon is not good, it is stupid. Avoid it.
Well, it might be good to recommend some fantasy novels that're just one novel. I know I'm always on the lookout for something I can read and be done with, rather than having to wait several years for the rest of the story.
I don't mind diving into a series of novels if they're worth it.
I swear, if fucking Robert Jordan dies before WoT is finished, heads will roll. I don't even fucking like it anymore, but I'm too invested to stop reading.
I read the series up to book 10 the last time I read through, but I got stuck in the middle. Does book 11 actually carry the story any further, or is it just more smoothing dresses and nothing happening?
I don't know that I'd go that far. It's unfinished, it's taking too damn long to get anywhere and the total projected number of volumes is increasing every time I turn around. At this point it's barely any better than WoT in the "dragging on and on, with umpteen more volumes to go" department. I wouldn't recommend starting it to anyone who hasn't already until the whole damn thing is finished.
My recommendations for the OP:
The Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn trilogy by Tad Williams, the Discworld series by Pratchett (start with Small Gods), and lighting your Piers Anthony books on fire.
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DynagripBreak me a million heartsHoustonRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited November 2006
Oh man, why did you have to recommend Tad Williams? Are those actually any better than his Otherland shit?
Try the Sword of Truth series. Some of them are Good and some are just ok, but the 6th book , Faith of the Fallen, is still one of the best books I've ever read in any genre.
I really can't tell you if it would be as good if you skiped the 1st 5 books, but I think it wouldn't be.
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Playing WoW "only when you are bored" is like smoking "only when you are drinking".
Oh man, why did you have to recommend Tad Williams? Are those actually any better than his Otherland shit?
Quite a bit. Martin actually cited it as the primary thing that convinced him that fantasy could be approached in a more mature manner than your average crap, and set him to writing a Song of Ice and Fire.
Well, it might be good to recommend some fantasy novels that're just one novel. I know I'm always on the lookout for something I can read and be done with, rather than having to wait several years for the rest of the story.
I don't mind diving into a series of novels if they're worth it.
I swear, if fucking Robert Jordan dies before WoT is finished, heads will roll. I don't even fucking like it anymore, but I'm too invested to stop reading.
I read the series up to book 10 the last time I read through, but I got stuck in the middle. Does book 11 actually carry the story any further, or is it just more smoothing dresses and nothing happening?
Yeah, actually, a whole lot happened in book 11, which was surprising.
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Oh man, why did you have to recommend Tad Williams? Are those actually any better than his Otherland shit?
Quite a bit. Martin actually cited it as the primary thing that convinced him that fantasy could be approached in a more mature manner than your average crap, and set him to writing a Song of Ice and Fire.
I can't help but think this is some kind of cruel trick.
Raymond Feist's Midkemia books are good if you're just getting into fantasy. Relatively easy read, and Magician is a classic.
Robin Hobb's Farseer Trilogy is great, and if you like that trilogy, there's two more trilogies after that.
For slightly more gritty fantasy, try out anything by David Gemmell or Glen Cook's Black Company series. Both authors do a great job on somewhat flawed heroes and awesome storytelling.
Matthew Stover's Blade of Tyshalle and its sequel is mostly fantasy, with a few unique twists, and they are fun, intense reads.
I myself am looking to getting a book this weekand, preferably a fantasy novel series.
I read The Redemption of Althalus, and liked it quite a bit. Does he (Eddings) have a series that's worth checking out?
Hmm haven't read that one you listed, but so far I read 4 series, and equally loved them all.
It's good to start with the The Belgariad and than continue onto the The Malloreon. The Malloreon continues off from the ending of Belgariad, even though you can finish the Belgariad alone since The Malloreon starts off a couple of years after the Belgariad.
Than the two other series, The Elenium and The Tamuli, set in another setting, with many similarities ( same race/cultures of people kinda). Basically same deal , start off with Elenium and continue with the Tamuli. But I recommend reading the first two series listed.
Also, even though the OP says he's read LotR, some other Tolkien stuff is worth looking into. The Silmarillion and The Hobbit are obvious suggestions if you haven't read them.
I myself am looking to getting a book this weekand, preferably a fantasy novel series.
I read The Redemption of Althalus, and liked it quite a bit. Does he (Eddings) have a series that's worth checking out?
If you've read one thing written by Eddings, you've read it all. The man doesn't have an original bone in his body.
It is true that they have a lot of similarites, but I liked that, and trying to compare which race in this book is like which race in another one of his and so on and so on.
Gene Wolfe - Basically all of his books. Seriously. Read him
Wolfe is the best writer of fantasy/sci-fi there is.
You and I disagree slightly I believe on what his best series is, but he's pretty much peerless.
Latro 4 evah.
I'm getting the new Latro book over Amazon
But as for my favourite, it's a toss-up between the New Sun and the Short Sun. Possibly Short Sun - the Inhumi are absolutely brilliant, and no book has ever made me cry that hard. But Latro is way up there.
I'd avoid The Wizard-Knight, though. I didn't like that one at all.
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DynagripBreak me a million heartsHoustonRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited November 2006
Wait, new Latro book? Like a brand new one or a compilation?
Wait, new Latro book? Like a brand new one or a compilation?
Like, brand new.
Soldier of Sidon
Latro goes to Mesopotamia/Egypt
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Eragon is terrible. WoT is terrible.
Ice and Fire is amazing, but the last book left something to be desired.
t Kaputa - Hedge Knight is pretty good. The art is all right, nothing special; the main reason I bought it was the big colorful index of family crests in the back. I've never seen Sword Sword.
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Oh, and Guy Gavriel Kay. Fionavvar Tapestry, Tigana, Lions of Al-Rassan, and several other things.
And there's a very good if little known book by Richard Garfinkle called Celestial Matters which is close enough to fantasy to be worth mentioning here. It's quite excellent.
I wasn't very impressed by it. I don't like steampunk very much anyway, but it seemed a little too over the top.
Good work on the setting, and though the characters seemed pretty flat there was a lot of... uh... diversity in the book. I just wish it was more focused and that at least a few of the chacters were likable.
There is a whole lot of material there. You could write a whole series of books and not have as much. I don't know, I guess see that as a bit of a failling.
Hey, so Pratchet is fantasy, shouldn't there be a book coming out soon? I'd heard it was almost like clockwork that a new discworld book came out around christmas. I've heard or seen anything, not that I've really been looking.
Also, even though the OP says he's read LotR, some other Tolkien stuff is worth looking into. The Silmarillion and The Hobbit are obvious suggestions if you haven't read them.
One of these years I will get through The Silmarillion. I've started it three times, the furthest was a little less than halfway through. At a certain point I realize there is almost no dialogue and it reads much closer to a history book. It's good but the number of names and amount of geography you need to remember is staggering.
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Jack Vance's Tales of a Dying Earth is fantasy-ish
Gene Wolfe - Basically all of his books. Seriously. Read him
Michael Swanwick - Iron Dragon's Daughter. Tales of a foundling coming of age in a world of elves and the Industrial Revolution. Like Neil Gaiman, but very good.
Start with Perdido Street Station.
Go. Go now.
Well, it might be good to recommend some fantasy novels that're just one novel. I know I'm always on the lookout for something I can read and be done with, rather than having to wait several years for the rest of the story.
I swear, if fucking Robert Jordan dies before WoT is finished, heads will roll. I don't even fucking like it anymore, but I'm too invested to stop reading.
Are they worth tracking down?
Edit- No, Eragon is not good, it is stupid. Avoid it.
The Neverending Story
http://rinkworks.com/bookaminute/b/jordan.eyeworld.shtml
http://rinkworks.com/bookaminute/b/jordan.hunt.shtml
http://rinkworks.com/bookaminute/b/jordan.reborn.shtml
http://rinkworks.com/bookaminute/b/jordan.shadow.shtml
http://rinkworks.com/bookaminute/b/jordan.fires.shtml
http://rinkworks.com/bookaminute/b/jordan.chaos.shtml
http://rinkworks.com/bookaminute/b/jordan.crown.shtml
http://rinkworks.com/bookaminute/b/jordan.path.shtml
http://rinkworks.com/bookaminute/b/jordan.winters.shtml
http://rinkworks.com/bookaminute/b/jordan.crossroads.shtml
I read the series up to book 10 the last time I read through, but I got stuck in the middle. Does book 11 actually carry the story any further, or is it just more smoothing dresses and nothing happening?
My recommendations for the OP:
The Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn trilogy by Tad Williams, the Discworld series by Pratchett (start with Small Gods), and lighting your Piers Anthony books on fire.
I really can't tell you if it would be as good if you skiped the 1st 5 books, but I think it wouldn't be.
I myself am looking to getting a book this weekand, preferably a fantasy novel series.
3DS: 2852-6809-9411
Yeah, actually, a whole lot happened in book 11, which was surprising.
I read The Redemption of Althalus, and liked it quite a bit. Does he (Eddings) have a series that's worth checking out?
Robin Hobb's Farseer Trilogy is great, and if you like that trilogy, there's two more trilogies after that.
For slightly more gritty fantasy, try out anything by David Gemmell or Glen Cook's Black Company series. Both authors do a great job on somewhat flawed heroes and awesome storytelling.
Matthew Stover's Blade of Tyshalle and its sequel is mostly fantasy, with a few unique twists, and they are fun, intense reads.
Hmm haven't read that one you listed, but so far I read 4 series, and equally loved them all.
It's good to start with the The Belgariad and than continue onto the The Malloreon. The Malloreon continues off from the ending of Belgariad, even though you can finish the Belgariad alone since The Malloreon starts off a couple of years after the Belgariad.
Than the two other series, The Elenium and The Tamuli, set in another setting, with many similarities ( same race/cultures of people kinda). Basically same deal , start off with Elenium and continue with the Tamuli. But I recommend reading the first two series listed.
3DS: 2852-6809-9411
Seriously
It is true that they have a lot of similarites, but I liked that, and trying to compare which race in this book is like which race in another one of his and so on and so on.
3DS: 2852-6809-9411
Wolfe is the best writer of fantasy/sci-fi there is.
Latro 4 evah.
Zelazny's Chronicles of Amber are good, though I felt that the second half dragged a bit.
I love most of Steven Brust's Vlad Taltos novels, as well as his Dragaeran Romances(kinda, Duma...Dumasian?)
I'm getting the new Latro book over Amazon
But as for my favourite, it's a toss-up between the New Sun and the Short Sun. Possibly Short Sun - the Inhumi are absolutely brilliant, and no book has ever made me cry that hard. But Latro is way up there.
I'd avoid The Wizard-Knight, though. I didn't like that one at all.
Like, brand new.
Soldier of Sidon
Latro goes to Mesopotamia/Egypt
Ice and Fire is amazing, but the last book left something to be desired.
t Kaputa - Hedge Knight is pretty good. The art is all right, nothing special; the main reason I bought it was the big colorful index of family crests in the back. I've never seen Sword Sword.
I can't wait to see what Egyptian gods are like!
And there's a very good if little known book by Richard Garfinkle called Celestial Matters which is close enough to fantasy to be worth mentioning here. It's quite excellent.
I wasn't very impressed by it. I don't like steampunk very much anyway, but it seemed a little too over the top.
Good work on the setting, and though the characters seemed pretty flat there was a lot of... uh... diversity in the book. I just wish it was more focused and that at least a few of the chacters were likable.
There is a whole lot of material there. You could write a whole series of books and not have as much. I don't know, I guess see that as a bit of a failling.
Hey, so Pratchet is fantasy, shouldn't there be a book coming out soon? I'd heard it was almost like clockwork that a new discworld book came out around christmas. I've heard or seen anything, not that I've really been looking.