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Buying a 360? Read this. That is, unless you hate shiny new GPUs.

ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the swordhttp://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
edited January 2009 in Games and Technology
JASPER MADNESS!


http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/inside-an-xbox-360-jasper-ben-heck-dissects-the-mythical-consol/

http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3472


Looks like someone has figured out how to tell a falcon board from a jasper board on the 360 without cracking open the case. Invaluable if you really want a smaller, cooler GPU that will give you a far less chance of red-ringing.

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Stolen from Kor's post. For great justice.

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    LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    If I red ring between now and the end of the warranty on mine (had it less than a year), will I get one of these, how do they do it?

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    ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    LewieP wrote: »
    If I red ring between now and the end of the warranty on mine (had it less than a year), will I get one of these, how do they do it?

    Everything I heard was that they still ship non-jasper boards back to customers, which stinks. Send a falcon board in, get it back essentially.

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    KorKor Known to detonate from time to time Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    So between these:

    falcon_find.jpg

    jasper_find.jpg

    Checking my recently returned 360, I don't have either of those display numbers. I've got a 16.2A.

    So what does that mean?

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    ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Kor wrote: »
    So between these:

    falcon_find.jpg

    jasper_find.jpg

    Checking my recently returned 360, I don't have either of those display numbers. I've got a 16.2A.

    So what does that mean?

    You probably got the one before Falcon.

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    greeblegreeble Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Buying another 360? Read this.

    I love how the OP just assumes that we all have 360's already, some of don't own one. (yet) :lol:

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    ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    greeble wrote: »
    Buying another 360? Read this.

    I love how the OP just assumes that we all have 360's already, some of don't own one. (yet) :lol:

    Your pretty LTTP if your getting one now. I assumed a majority of PA'ers do have them. OP header changed, just for you.

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    PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    greeble wrote: »
    Buying another 360? Read this.

    I love how the OP just assumes that we all have 360's already, some of don't own one. (yet) :lol:

    Your pretty LTTP if your getting one now. I assumed a majority of PA'ers do have them. OP header changed, just for you.

    I read this and popped back out, but the edit for "OMG JASPER" title-grabbing should be enough to launch the views up. :P

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    IgortIgort Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    greeble wrote: »
    Buying another 360? Read this.

    I love how the OP just assumes that we all have 360's already, some of don't own one. (yet) :lol:

    Your pretty LTTP if your getting one now. I assumed a majority of PA'ers do have them. OP header changed, just for you.

    Well, ya'know, some people don't make enough money to be able to afford all three consoles, or just might not have been interested in the 360. It's better not to assume man!

    So, what's the difference between a Falcon Board and a Jasper Board?

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    PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Igort wrote: »
    So, what's the difference between a Falcon Board and a Jasper Board?

    65nm GPU

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    WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    LewieP wrote: »
    If I red ring between now and the end of the warranty on mine (had it less than a year), will I get one of these, how do they do it?

    I imagine that if it breaks in two years you'll get a Jasper. Right now they'll have so many Falcons lying around they'll give you one of those if it breaks tomorrow.

    But you never use the thing, so it's not going to break too soon.

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    LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I use it all the time, I bought EDF2017 the other day. And in the past few weeks I have played through CODWAW, Fallout 3, finished Stranglehold, played a bunch of The Club, and the RE5 demo.

    It's taking up the majority of my gaming time...

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    SamSam Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I traded in a bunch of old games and the out of the box accessories for a jasper. Ended up 50 bucks cheaper than Microsoft's service quote of 99 plus 80 for a new power supply.

    Confirmed Jasperacity, by checking the label today, but I didn't have to. I had to turn down my tv volume qutie a bit because of how much quieter this thing is.

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    mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Ah, my 1 week old 360 is a Falcon. Dammit!

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    SchideSchide Yeoh! Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Damn, I hope the one I ordered from Dell for Christmas is a Jasper. I won't be able to check until Christmas though I suppose. Hope's hoping.

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    xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    It was really polite of Microsoft to start building a new 360, but not giving us the benefit of knowing it's improved.

    I suppose their concern would be that unsold falcon units would stay that way, but it seems really dishonest to have a real solution for the RROD, and making it a huge lottery whether you get it or not.

    I suppose that's one argument in support of the 10.2 million variations of the PS3 that are out there.

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    greeblegreeble Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Your pretty LTTP if your getting one now. I assumed a majority of PA'ers do have them. OP header changed, just for you.

    Thanks! Yeah I love buying consoles later in their life cycle. The hardware is cheaper and usually better. (bugs worked out) The games selection is expansive and they are all cheap and easily found used. In fact I have a rule that I don't buy a console till after its first major price drop. The only time this doesn't work out well is in online games since the community might not be there. But thankfully there is a large overlap in the xbox and ps3/pc library so it really isn't a problem.

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    WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Man, mine's a model without HDMI and it works fine. I don't think it's anything to get worked up about if you already own one, but if you're buying a new one, it makes sense to get the latest hardware revision.

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    LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    OP, you may want to add this 5-page Anandtech article as well, which is ridonkulously detailed and talks about the differences between all of the models, plus how to tell which one you have/are looking to buy.

    My Core model is a Xenon (I can figure out all those stupid codenames now thanks to that Anandtech link!) and it's still chugging along nicely, though it sounds like a freight train when spinning most discs.

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    ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Lunker wrote: »
    OP, you may want to add this 5-page Anandtech article as well, which is ridonkulously detailed and talks about the differences between all of the models, plus how to tell which one you have/are looking to buy.

    My Core model is a Xenon (I can figure out all those stupid codenames now thanks to that Anandtech link!) and it's still chugging along nicely, though it sounds like a freight train when spinning most discs.


    Thanks Lunker. And thanks Kor for adding those pics. I didn't feel like doing that. Yes, I know- I'm lazy.

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    RakaiRakai Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    xzzy wrote: »
    It was really polite of Microsoft to start building a new 360, but not giving us the benefit of knowing it's improved.

    I suppose their concern would be that unsold falcon units would stay that way, but it seems really dishonest to have a real solution for the RROD, and making it a huge lottery whether you get it or not.

    I suppose that's one argument in support of the 10.2 million variations of the PS3 that are out there.

    Everyone does this. Consoles always get constant revisions. Heck, there are 3 different versions of the Falcon board. The PS2 had tons of revisions. Also, stolen from neogaf:
    Ok. It's been one year since the Falcon model 360 was released (technically it's missing about 10 days but it's close enough).

    1 Year of Falcon Issues
    1RL: 2
    DOA: 4
    RRoD : 7
    Video: 3
    Total: 16

    Here's some other rough numbers for perspective.

    1st Year of Tracked 360s
    635 dead (no specific info, only started doing that this year)

    360s Reported In November 2006
    42 dead in one month (98 was highest ever)

    Reliability wise, the falcons seem to have dealt with the issue and they will never rid the world of the RRoD since that's just a general hardware failure which all mass produced electronics are susceptible to.

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    MarikirMarikir Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Hmmm. I just got a Pro model, but haven't checked the back yet. Haven't even unboxed it yet. Will have to check.

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    ZercofZercof Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    GF's newer one is Falcon

    Mine is 16.5 amps?

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    LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Zercof wrote: »
    GF's newer one is Falcon

    Mine is 16.5 amps?

    That means you have a Xenon or Zephyr, depending on if you have HDMI or not.
    Anandtech wrote:
    12V Current Rating : Xbox 360 Revision
    16,5A : Zephyr
    14,2A : Falcon
    12,1A : Jasper

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    ZercofZercof Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    No HDMI..

    My 1st console was from original 360 launch.. 3 RRoD's later, I have this one.

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    xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Zercof wrote: »
    No HDMI..

    My 1st console was from original 360 launch.. 3 RRoD's later, I have this one.

    Three RRoD's, pfft. I've had 4!

    My first 3 all died 6 months after acquisition almost to the day, the one I got in summer 2007 lasted until this September which is the longest I've had a 360 survive.

    I know there's people out there that have gone through 8 360's, and I'm sure at this point there's some with even more than that.

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    dantreedantree Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    This is what I was waiting for to finally pick up a 360, well this and finishing up some of of my PS3 backlog, maybe with my tax return.

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    greeblegreeble Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    dantree wrote: »
    This is what I was waiting for to finally pick up a 360, well this and finishing up some of of my PS3 backlog, maybe with my tax return.

    Same. I really like the freedom of being a multiconsole owner, but didn't want to deal with 360 till it became cheaper, quieter, cooler and reliable. Now its finally met all the requirements but I have a huuge ps3 backlog and money is tight because of christmas. So my xbox purchase will probably get pushed back to March, June or July. (unless the wii gets a price drop before that, then who knows?)

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    shutzshutz Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Question for all of you who've had to deal with RROD's (especially if you've had to deal with it recently, and even more especially if you're from Canada...)

    How long did it take between the time you reported the problem, and the time you got the box to ship the dead console back to MS? How long after shipping the dead console and the time you got a new console back?

    If I reported the problem on Monday night, and still haven't received the box today (Thursday) can I still hope to have my console back by Xmas?

    Did you get your old console back, or another similar one that was refurbished? I marked mine in a spot that they're unlikely to notice, just two small notches that would look like normal cosmetic damage, just so I can see if I got the same one back... I'm hoping to get a different console, because my DVD tray never worked properly, and over time, became almost impossible to open (I hear the little rubber strap goes slack after it's heated up, so that it slips instead of opening the tray...) My 360 is out of warranty, but still within the RROD window.

    Also, did anyone send in their pre-HDMI 360 in for RROD repair/replacement, only to get another console that has HDMI? I wonder if I might get lucky on that front...

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    KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I just finished my first year of 360 ownership with a Falcon and it's still running fine even though I tend to leave it on pause for long periods.

    So um, great news but I hope I never have to worry about it.

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    AumniAumni Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Which chip is the Halo Edition sexbox?

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    ZercofZercof Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    xzzy wrote: »
    Zercof wrote: »
    No HDMI..

    My 1st console was from original 360 launch.. 3 RRoD's later, I have this one.

    Three RRoD's, pfft. I've had 4!

    My first 3 all died 6 months after acquisition almost to the day, the one I got in summer 2007 lasted until this September which is the longest I've had a 360 survive.

    I know there's people out there that have gone through 8 360's, and I'm sure at this point there's some with even more than that.

    My launch console lasted from day 1 (Nov. '05) till February of '08! I thought it might never die. Then the other 2 were RRoD-ed very quickly. And judging by the way this current one is acting, its most likely not far off... :?

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    KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Aumni wrote: »
    Which chip is the Halo Edition sexbox?

    Haha you bought the Halo Edition.

    Ah, good stuff.

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    AumniAumni Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    Aumni wrote: »
    Which chip is the Halo Edition sexbox?

    Haha you bought the Halo Edition.

    Ah, good stuff.

    Yeah, the Jokes on me. I don't like Halo that much. :(

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    xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    shutz wrote: »
    Question for all of you who've had to deal with RROD's (especially if you've had to deal with it recently, and even more especially if you're from Canada...)

    How long did it take between the time you reported the problem, and the time you got the box to ship the dead console back to MS? How long after shipping the dead console and the time you got a new console back?

    If I reported the problem on Monday night, and still haven't received the box today (Thursday) can I still hope to have my console back by Xmas?

    Did you get your old console back, or another similar one that was refurbished? I marked mine in a spot that they're unlikely to notice, just two small notches that would look like normal cosmetic damage, just so I can see if I got the same one back... I'm hoping to get a different console, because my DVD tray never worked properly, and over time, became almost impossible to open (I hear the little rubber strap goes slack after it's heated up, so that it slips instead of opening the tray...) My 360 is out of warranty, but still within the RROD window.

    Also, did anyone send in their pre-HDMI 360 in for RROD repair/replacement, only to get another console that has HDMI? I wonder if I might get lucky on that front...

    For my first 3, the exchange was quite fast. Think the downtime was 2-3 weeks from the point I called support.

    My most recent one was a fucking disaster.. I was offline from mid-September until late November. Terrible problems getting a shipping label, idiotic help on the phone, I called them at least 15 times before I finally got to ship it off. Once that was done, the 360 was back in about a week and a half.

    Every single time the replacement xbox had a different serial number. I think any RROD service call will cause that, as the repairs require a lot of doctoring on the motherboard, so they just pull you a 360 out of the refurb pile and send it to you to speed things up.

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    Zoku GojiraZoku Gojira Monster IslandRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Aumni wrote: »
    Which chip is the Halo Edition sexbox?

    Mine was a Zephyr, and I followed Lot # and manufacture date advice trying for a Falcon. So there are no guarantees. If it red rings, I'll send it in for service and buy a new Arcade.

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    NorfairNorfair Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I tried following all the advice on the Internet to find a Jasper, and I still ended up with a Falcon, because the box is wrong (says 150W power supply, but the actual one is 175W), yet everything inside was still sealed, so I don't think anything was swapped.

    BTW I got this one about three weeks ago, in exchange for one that had some serious issues. I don't think Jaspers are common yet.

    It runs pretty well, so I'm trying not to worry about it.

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    noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    So if microsoft has already received your xbox, how long does it take for them to repair it and ship it back to you?

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    HeatwaveHeatwave Come, now, and walk the path of explosions with me!Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    The elite I got in June says "12V 16, 5A; 5V 1A".

    Please don't tell me I waited all these years for nothing....okay tell me, but let me down gently.

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    zanetheinsanezanetheinsane Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    You have a 16.5A Zephyr most likely if it's an elite. The stock on elites doesn't move very fast since it's the most expensive model.

    Also the power brick for the newer Jaspers doesn't fit the Falcon motherboard, so if you send a Falcon back you will get a Falcon back.

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    hamburger helperhamburger helper Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Falcon! Frig balls!

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