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SEMIFINALS: MATCH B: PRE-FIGHT DEBATE

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edited November 2006 in Graphic Violence
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THOR – Donald Blake

POWERS AND ABILITIES: Superhuman Strength, Speed and Stamina, Semi-invulnerability, Flight (via Mjolnir), Weather Control, Force Blasts

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INVISIBLE WOMAN – Sue Richards

POWERS AND ABILITIES: Invisibility, force field generation

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HULK – Bruce Banner

POWERS AND ABILITIES: Superhuman strength, stamina, and invulnerability. Regenerative healing factor. Ability to see and communicate with astral bodies. Radiation absorption. Transformation. Strong resistance (but not immunity) to mind control.

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SUPERMAN – Clark Kent/Kal-El

POWERS AND ABILITIES: Superhuman strength, super speed & stamina, freezing breath, multiple extrasensory and vision powers, invulnerability, longevity, flight

In all semifinal round battles, heroes may choose to prepare only at their own facilities, or at the facilities of their supergroup. Heroes may match video of two of their three opponents.. Heroes come equipped with only their standard equipment. Weaknesses that are not publicly known to the hero’s home universe/world will not be made available to the heroes during prep time. Heroes who already know of these weaknesses for whatever reason are not caused to forget this information. Heroes may also consult with an advisor. Heroes have one hour TOTAL to prepare.

VOTING WILL TAKE PLACE IN A SEPARATE THREAD. RULES FOR VOTING WILL BE POSTED UPON THAT THREAD’S OPENING. THE VOTING THREAD WILL OPEN AT ELEVEN O’CLOCK CENTRAL TIME TOMORROW.


ARENA

THE ARENA CHANGES EVERY FIFTEEN MINUTES, IN THIS ORDER. IF A MATCH LASTS LONGER THAN 60 MINUTES, IT RESETS AND CONTINUES

1. Icy Plains
2. Paris, France
3. Desert
4. Giant primitive forest (massive trees, think redwoods on steroids)

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Well, I think we all know who the Marvel characters will be watching on video. But who will Supes choose?

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  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Well since he's fought Thor and the Hulk, (I think) probably Sues.

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  • laughterkillsmelaughterkillsme Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Supes will probably Watch Sue and Thor. If I were Superman I wouldn't expect any tricks fro the Hulk ...



    This is how I see it going down:

    The Marvel characters are less inclined to attack each straight off. I don't see a coordinated Avengers assemble kinda fight .. but I do see them taking whacks at superman every chance they get.

    As I see it now, Supes will go down. Followed by the Hulk, which sue could certainly outlast with Thor in the mix. First place would be Thor, unless you put your faith in Sue's writing irregularities.


    If you don't agree, read about Sue.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Woman

    FYI I'm not a big Invisible Woman fan, but everyone is dismissing her without a second thought so I gotta lobby for her since she really is very powerful.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    In a match between Thor and Supes, favoritism wins.

    EDIT: Honestly, you won't be seeing Supes or Thor going all out during the Paris phase, and the redwood phase gives Hulk a huge advantage Conversly, ice and desert do not favor him.

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  • laughterkillsmelaughterkillsme Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    In a match between Thor and Supes, favoritism wins.

    EDIT: Honestly, you won't be seeing Supes or Thor going all out during the Paris phase, and the redwood phase gives Hulk a huge advantage Conversly, ice and desert do not favor him.

    Icy Plains as in a giant sheet of ice? Cuz if its a sheet of Ice, there are gonna be chunks of razor sharp Ice flying around 3 minutes into this clash of titans.

    If anything I'd say the desert is the only environment the hulk would have problems in, because he couldn't find sue or jump Thor and Superman (unless one gets knocked straight into the sand ... in which case somebody's face is getting beat in)

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  • VapidVapid Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Is Superman's heat vision radiation?

    I think Sue will be FUCKED in the icy plains, as its so barren she'll be pretty noticeable even if invisible. However, she has a major advantage in Paris. I'm thinking an epic Supes vs. Thor brawl, with Supes winning, but then getting taken down by Hulk+Invisiible Woman. So I'm giving it to those two.

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Will someone please tell me more about Gladiator Hulk? What is his power level?

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Will someone please tell me more about Gladiator Hulk? What is his power level?

    Well, in the recent issue, he pounded the ground a couple of times and turned a small valley into a river of lava. So however strong you have to be to do that.

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  • TehChowdTehChowd Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Will someone please tell me more about Gladiator Hulk? What is his power level?

    Um, it's hard to really say. Repeatedly throughout the series, the narrative in various way mentions that "he was weakened by his trip through the portal," which is how he ended up on the new planet. In the beginning of the series, he was way weaker than usual. The controlling beings of the new planet, who seem to be roughly earth-level with their technology, were able to shackle him and bind him with power-dampening discs, which could not happen to a full, max power Hulk. He also used weapons in the beginning of the arc, like swords and maces, presumably because of his weakness. He also had some trouble fighting a guy in a robot exoskeleton that he would have trashed as regular Hulk. I also think they were able to threaten him with Death's Head robots, but I'll have to check my back issues for that.
    But, since the arc has gone on, Hulk has started to get much stronger. No more power dampeners and control discs, and no more using weapons (except flamethrowers, but that was to kill these weird monsters that are only really vulnerable to fire). He's now able to fight the strongest beings on the planet, the " Shadowsworn Old Strong," to a standstill. I'm not sure how strong the "Old Strong" are supposed to be. So far, they seem to be nearly invulnerable and also have immense strength, but for the purposes of this match, I'd say that they're still a fair bit below Superman and Thor's power level. Now that Hulk is getting stronger every issue, it's been mentioned that all the weapons on the planet, which might be above Earth in the WMD department, wouldn't be able to kill Hulk. Also, in the last issue, Hulk was able to punch the ground and cause a flood of lava, which is pretty reminiscent of his old levels of strength.
    So to answer your question, I would say that Gladiator Hulk is weaker than the strongest possible Hulk, but not by too much. I would put him a few notches below a raging, insane Hulk, but well above Grey Hulk, if that helps any. Also, Gladiator Hulk still gets stronger the madder he gets, and he also isn't going to turn back into Banner in the middle of a fight (supposedly, at least for the Planet Hulk arc, he has subdued Banner and has yet to revert once). Gladiator Hulk is also craftier than a raging, brute Hulk, and is much more focused and reasonable. He also seems to be working well with his allies in the arc, enough to risk his life for them and consider them friends, so him teaming with Sue or Thor is far from impossible.

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    As I stated in the main thread...

    1. Supes/Thor
    2. Sue

    Sue would have to be mentally retarted to go after either Supes or Thor, which, she isn't.

    Supes and Thor have been shown consistently to only react when they are provoked.

    Since Supes and Thor have fought it other before, it's more then likley that Thor will want to fight Supes again.

    So, all Sue has to do is when her match against G-Hulk, which she can do with relative ease.

    So, 1st and 3rd goes to Supes/Thor, whichever combination you want, and a solid second to Sue, with G-Hulk finishing last.

    Hulk may be the strongest there is....but Pussy Hulk sure ain't....

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    My break down:

    Supes takes out sue, she's the wild card, and is easy to take out. He can hear her heartbeat, she can't hide and she can't bring in the kryptonite.

    It is then down to Hulk, Thor, and Supes. Supes and Thor have fought before, and will probably want to fight again. Doubtful that either would team up against Hulk, so they'd probably duke it out, no clear winner.

    Hulk, angered by being ignored, gains mobility with the redwood forest (leaping nimbly bimbly from tree to tree). Both are worn from fighting, so they don't present nearly as much of a challenge as they would normally. Hulk takes down first one, then the other. Because this is my scenario, I choose thor over Supes.

    1. Hulk
    2. Thor
    3. Supes
    4. Smelly Sue.

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    My break down:

    Supes takes out sue, she's the wild card, and is easy to take out. He can hear her heartbeat, she can't hide and she can't bring in the kryptonite.

    Umm, why would Supes take out Sue first? I mean, if she was easy to take out, woudn't that be the exact reason WHY he wouldn't take her out?

    I've never seen Supes portrayed as the type of character to take someone out because their easy....

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    My break down:

    Supes takes out sue, she's the wild card, and is easy to take out. He can hear her heartbeat, she can't hide and she can't bring in the kryptonite.

    It is then down to Hulk, Thor, and Supes. Supes and Thor have fought before, and will probably want to fight again. Doubtful that either would team up against Hulk, so they'd probably duke it out, no clear winner.

    Hulk, angered by being ignored, gains mobility with the redwood forest (leaping nimbly bimbly from tree to tree). Both are worn from fighting, so they don't present nearly as much of a challenge as they would normally. Hulk takes down first one, then the other. Because this is my scenario, I choose thor over Supes.

    1. Hulk
    2. Thor
    3. Supes
    4. Smelly Sue.

    I agree with this assessment. Poor Sue, I love her, but blocking Clor's lightning caused her nose to bleed. Having to face the power of Superman or Thor with her shields will put her down. I was really hoping another woman would make it to the finals.

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  • NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    My break down:

    Supes takes out sue, she's the wild card, and is easy to take out. He can hear her heartbeat, she can't hide and she can't bring in the kryptonite.

    Umm, why would Supes take out Sue first? I mean, if she was easy to take out, woudn't that be the exact reason WHY he wouldn't take her out?

    I've never seen Supes portrayed as the type of character to take someone out because their easy....
    He's going to have to take her out at some point. Might as well take her out at the beginning before she could do anything.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    If Batman can make a suit that hides your heartbeat, then Sue can get one from Reed, possibly within the confines of prep time.

    If not, she at least gets one Reed Richards gadget that has appeared in the comics at any point in time.

    Thor, meanwhile, has an option of taking any of a number of magical weapons along with him in addition to the hammer.

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  • NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    robosagogo wrote:
    If Batman can make a suit that hides your heartbeat, then Sue can get one from Reed, possibly within the confines of prep time.

    If not, she at least gets one Reed Richards gadget that has appeared in the comics at any point in time.
    She could, but Superman could then just look for a heat signature where there is no person or sense her brain waves.
    Thor, meanwhile, has an option of taking any of a number of magical weapons along with him in addition to the hammer.
    He could, but he doesn't need to so I doubt that he would.


    Right now I'm at a toss up for Superman and Thor for first and second and Invisible woman and Hulk for third and fourth. I'll probably wait on voting and then decide exactly after seeing how other people are voting.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Most likely Supes and Thor, but I have to think about it.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    robosagogo wrote:
    If Batman can make a suit that hides your heartbeat, then Sue can get one from Reed, possibly within the confines of prep time.

    If not, she at least gets one Reed Richards gadget that has appeared in the comics at any point in time.

    Thor, meanwhile, has an option of taking any of a number of magical weapons along with him in addition to the hammer.

    Read the new rules. No special equipment.


    Personally I gotta put Sue last; her shields can't hold up for more than a minute against any of the others, she's not the sort to burst their brains, and I doubt the suffocation bubbles would have that much effect on these guys. Plus Superman can see her.

    As for the other three...while I'm still not doing teamups, I do think Hulk and Thor would be more likely to go for Supes than they would for each other. So Supes could go out in this one.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Whhaat? No special equipment? Nevermind, then.

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    My break down:

    Supes takes out sue, she's the wild card, and is easy to take out. He can hear her heartbeat, she can't hide and she can't bring in the kryptonite.

    Umm, why would Supes take out Sue first? I mean, if she was easy to take out, woudn't that be the exact reason WHY he wouldn't take her out?

    I've never seen Supes portrayed as the type of character to take someone out because their easy....
    He's going to have to take her out at some point. Might as well take her out at the beginning before she could do anything.

    That....That dosen't make any sense.....

    She's a non-threat, it would be akin to Supes flying over and killing a puppy at mach speed, just because he "has to do it eventually".

    Honestley, I'm starting to see a nice little double standerd here. Sue isn't allowed to wreck everyones shit, because it isn't in-character....

    And yet, Superman is allowed to stomp Sue as soon as the fight starts, even though that isn't in character.....

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  • NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    robosagogo wrote:
    robosagogo wrote:
    If Batman can make a suit that hides your heartbeat, then Sue can get one from Reed, possibly within the confines of prep time.

    If not, she at least gets one Reed Richards gadget that has appeared in the comics at any point in time.
    She could, but Superman could then just look for a heat signature where there is no person or sense her brain waves.
    Thor, meanwhile, has an option of taking any of a number of magical weapons along with him in addition to the hammer.
    He could, but he doesn't need to so I doubt that he would.


    Right now I'm at a toss up for Superman and Thor for first and second and Invisible woman and Hulk for third and fourth. I'll probably wait on voting and then decide exactly after seeing how other people are voting.

    1. Superman can spot heat signatures and brain waves?

    In any case, assuming technology couldn't take care of those factors as well, he'd still have to scan the entire arena for her rather than homing in on a sound. This is while he's fighting two scary men.
    At least in the JLA I've read, yes he can. He looks for brainwaves to detect if there are any non-sleeping people in Return of the Conquerer. And it's not like he has to actively think about scanning like that. It's part of his natural senses.
    2. Thor doesn't need to only so long as he has 1st or 2nd in the bag. Even if that's the case with this fight, in the final round he more or less has to bring one.
    We're not debating that round yet though, please do try to concentrate.

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    My break down:

    Supes takes out sue, she's the wild card, and is easy to take out. He can hear her heartbeat, she can't hide and she can't bring in the kryptonite.

    Umm, why would Supes take out Sue first? I mean, if she was easy to take out, woudn't that be the exact reason WHY he wouldn't take her out?

    I've never seen Supes portrayed as the type of character to take someone out because their easy....
    He's going to have to take her out at some point. Might as well take her out at the beginning before she could do anything.

    That....That dosen't make any sense.....

    She's a non-threat, it would be akin to Supes flying over and killing a puppy at mach speed, just because he "has to do it eventually".

    Honestley, I'm starting to see a nice little double standered here. Sue isn't allowed to wreck everyones shit, because it isn't in-character....

    And yet, Superman is allowed to stomp Sue as soon as the fight starts, even though that isn't in character.....

    If she were a non-threat she would have never made it this far. Supes will see that she has some very powerful offensive abilities...but that she also has no extrodinary physical strength or durability once her shields are broken. She's the glass cannon of this fight and will get taken out early by someone in the fight, most likely Superman because he will be able to find her easier than anyone else.

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  • NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    My break down:

    Supes takes out sue, she's the wild card, and is easy to take out. He can hear her heartbeat, she can't hide and she can't bring in the kryptonite.

    Umm, why would Supes take out Sue first? I mean, if she was easy to take out, woudn't that be the exact reason WHY he wouldn't take her out?

    I've never seen Supes portrayed as the type of character to take someone out because their easy....
    He's going to have to take her out at some point. Might as well take her out at the beginning before she could do anything.

    That....That dosen't make any sense.....

    She's a non-threat, it would be akin to Supes flying over and killing a puppy at mach speed, just because he "has to do it eventually".

    Honestley, I'm starting to see a nice little double standered here. Sue isn't allowed to wreck everyones shit, because it isn't in-character....

    And yet, Superman is allowed to stomp Sue as soon as the fight starts, even though that isn't in character.....
    I have no problem with Sue attempting to use her shields to the full extent of their capabilities, including forcefield expansion inside people. What I do have a problem with though is I do not think that will work on Superman as he's had people do similar things, moving shit around in his brain and it took him down for less than 30 seconds. His insides are just as invulnerable as his outsides. Sue's shields wouldn't do that much to him hitting him from the outside, so I do not think that they'd do much hitting him from the inside out either.

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    My break down:

    Supes takes out sue, she's the wild card, and is easy to take out. He can hear her heartbeat, she can't hide and she can't bring in the kryptonite.

    Umm, why would Supes take out Sue first? I mean, if she was easy to take out, woudn't that be the exact reason WHY he wouldn't take her out?

    I've never seen Supes portrayed as the type of character to take someone out because their easy....
    He's going to have to take her out at some point. Might as well take her out at the beginning before she could do anything.

    That....That dosen't make any sense.....

    She's a non-threat, it would be akin to Supes flying over and killing a puppy at mach speed, just because he "has to do it eventually".

    Honestley, I'm starting to see a nice little double standered here. Sue isn't allowed to wreck everyones shit, because it isn't in-character....

    And yet, Superman is allowed to stomp Sue as soon as the fight starts, even though that isn't in character.....
    I have no problem with Sue attempting to use her shields to the full extent of their capabilities, including forcefield expansion inside people. What I do have a problem with though is I do not think that will work on Superman as he's had people do similar things, moving shit around in his brain and it took him down for less than 30 seconds. His insides are just as invulnerable as his outsides. Sue's shields wouldn't do that much to him hitting him from the outside, so I do not think that they'd do much hitting him from the inside out either.

    Allright, see, yes, this is good. I honestley don't think Sue can take down The Big Blue, even if she were to go batshit crazy.

    And, I think, after watching the video of the previous rounds, Sue, would also think this as well.

    I also think that, after Supes watching tape of Sue, that he would deem her a possible threat, however, one that he can handle, IF THE NEED ARISES, just as he does with EVER SINGLE CHARACTER HE'S EVER FOUGHT.

    As such, if Sue makes a move on Supes, he'll hand her ass back to her, but ONLY if she does. And, I think Sue would be smart enough to not take on the man that can rape you at the speed of light.

    Thor, of course, woudn't engage in combat with Sue, due to them KNOWING each other, as well as Thor's confidence that he can deal with her as well. And, of course, Sue wouldn't want to fight Thor right of the bat anyway, because he's a freind, and, I don't think she would underestimate Thor that much.

    Which leaves, of course, Gladiator Hulk. Honestley, he's the first one out. He will fight anyone, and EVERYONE here. And all of the competitors can deal with him fairly easily.

    Thor and Superman are fairly evenly matched, therefore, I see that after the Hulk is dealt with(Probably by Sue, if Thor and Supes meet before they meet G-Hulk), Thor would approach Superman for a match. They fight, yada yada yada, whoever wins takes first, the loser takes third. It's too close of a fight to call...

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I don't think Sue can beat Hulk.

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  • NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    My break down:

    Supes takes out sue, she's the wild card, and is easy to take out. He can hear her heartbeat, she can't hide and she can't bring in the kryptonite.

    Umm, why would Supes take out Sue first? I mean, if she was easy to take out, woudn't that be the exact reason WHY he wouldn't take her out?

    I've never seen Supes portrayed as the type of character to take someone out because their easy....
    He's going to have to take her out at some point. Might as well take her out at the beginning before she could do anything.

    That....That dosen't make any sense.....

    She's a non-threat, it would be akin to Supes flying over and killing a puppy at mach speed, just because he "has to do it eventually".

    Honestley, I'm starting to see a nice little double standered here. Sue isn't allowed to wreck everyones shit, because it isn't in-character....

    And yet, Superman is allowed to stomp Sue as soon as the fight starts, even though that isn't in character.....
    I have no problem with Sue attempting to use her shields to the full extent of their capabilities, including forcefield expansion inside people. What I do have a problem with though is I do not think that will work on Superman as he's had people do similar things, moving shit around in his brain and it took him down for less than 30 seconds. His insides are just as invulnerable as his outsides. Sue's shields wouldn't do that much to him hitting him from the outside, so I do not think that they'd do much hitting him from the inside out either.

    Thor and Superman are fairly evenly matched, therefore, I see that after the Hulk is dealt with(Probably by Sue, if Thor and Supes meet before they meet G-Hulk), Thor would approach Superman for a match. They fight, yada yada yada, whoever wins takes first, the loser takes third. It's too close of a fight to call...
    See, this is the part I don't like. I don't see how you could put Sue above someone she couldn't beat just because she manages to avoid the fight. In my mind I have to come up with a way for the person to beat the competitors that are ranked below them.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Scooter wrote:
    I don't think Sue can beat Hulk.
    In the Fantastic Four cartoon, she was able to calm the Hulk down and also suffocate him into submission.

    Is that not true in the comics?

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    My break down:

    Supes takes out sue, she's the wild card, and is easy to take out. He can hear her heartbeat, she can't hide and she can't bring in the kryptonite.

    Umm, why would Supes take out Sue first? I mean, if she was easy to take out, woudn't that be the exact reason WHY he wouldn't take her out?

    I've never seen Supes portrayed as the type of character to take someone out because their easy....
    He's going to have to take her out at some point. Might as well take her out at the beginning before she could do anything.

    That....That dosen't make any sense.....

    She's a non-threat, it would be akin to Supes flying over and killing a puppy at mach speed, just because he "has to do it eventually".

    Honestley, I'm starting to see a nice little double standered here. Sue isn't allowed to wreck everyones shit, because it isn't in-character....

    And yet, Superman is allowed to stomp Sue as soon as the fight starts, even though that isn't in character.....
    I have no problem with Sue attempting to use her shields to the full extent of their capabilities, including forcefield expansion inside people. What I do have a problem with though is I do not think that will work on Superman as he's had people do similar things, moving shit around in his brain and it took him down for less than 30 seconds. His insides are just as invulnerable as his outsides. Sue's shields wouldn't do that much to him hitting him from the outside, so I do not think that they'd do much hitting him from the inside out either.

    Thor and Superman are fairly evenly matched, therefore, I see that after the Hulk is dealt with(Probably by Sue, if Thor and Supes meet before they meet G-Hulk), Thor would approach Superman for a match. They fight, yada yada yada, whoever wins takes first, the loser takes third. It's too close of a fight to call...
    See, this is the part I don't like. I don't see how you could put Sue above someone she couldn't beat just because she manages to avoid the fight. In my mind I have to come up with a way for the person to beat the competitors that are ranked below them.

    See, and that's fine. I see Sue either 2nd or 3rd. We have no idea how Sue would fair against the Real Thor, so, that could go either way.

    Scooter wrote:
    I don't think Sue can beat Hulk.

    Sue has, in the past, been able to restrain Normal Hulk. This isn't Normal Hulk. This is Pussy Hulk. I see EVERYONE in this fight stomping all over his ass.

    It takes him a significant amount of rage for him to form a moderately sized crater. Normal Hulk does that when he dosen't get his Juice Box ON TIME. The fact that he is still able to speak rationally, as well as formulate plans means that he's still significantly weakend. Otherwise, his brain woudn't need to compensate any longer.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I think you're underestimating Gladiator Hulk. I mean, unless you're using the version from the instant he ported in.

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Scooter wrote:
    I think you're underestimating Gladiator Hulk. I mean, unless you're using the version from the instant he ported in.

    Yes, I am, you gotta have SOME dramatic effect :wink:.

    All I am saying, is that Sue powerful enough to stand and fight Normal Hulk.

    G-Hulk is, admittedly, weaker. Therefore, Sue can take out G-Hulk. Who knows how long that might take, however, she can get it done. He just dosen't have the raw power he used to, even in the most recent issues.

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  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I would go with Thor and Supes. Because neither Hulk in this incarnation, nor Sue can really take either of them.

    Superman would watch the videos on Invisible Woman and Hulk, because Superman already knows a fair deal about Thor.

    Supes and Thor are old acquaintances, you see. They fought each other in JLA/Avengers, and they know each other's tricks. They'd go for each other and, knowing about Hulk, wouldn't let Hulk interfere.

    Thor would know to look out for Hulk, and Superman would be able to hear him coming easily. Thor might be at a slight disadvantage should Hulk interfere, because Thor won't be expecting Hulk to pretty much hate him and Sue and everybody ever.

    Hulk and Sue would not be significant enough distractions for Superman OR Thor to really influence their fight, strong as Sue and Hulk are. They're simply outclassed.

    Superman and Thor advance, either could win. They are completely evenly matched.

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  • TerrorbyteTerrorbyte __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Superman and Thor advance, either could win. They are completely evenly matched.

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I am betting on Superman and Thor too. Hulk is not strong enough in this version, nor is sue. Superman and Thor could just fly higher than Hulk can jump.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    My break down:

    Supes takes out sue, she's the wild card, and is easy to take out. He can hear her heartbeat, she can't hide and she can't bring in the kryptonite.

    Umm, why would Supes take out Sue first? I mean, if she was easy to take out, woudn't that be the exact reason WHY he wouldn't take her out?

    I've never seen Supes portrayed as the type of character to take someone out because their easy....
    He's going to have to take her out at some point. Might as well take her out at the beginning before she could do anything.

    That....That dosen't make any sense.....

    She's a non-threat, it would be akin to Supes flying over and killing a puppy at mach speed, just because he "has to do it eventually".

    Honestley, I'm starting to see a nice little double standerd here. Sue isn't allowed to wreck everyones shit, because it isn't in-character....

    And yet, Superman is allowed to stomp Sue as soon as the fight starts, even though that isn't in character.....

    Supes rarely, rarely goes all out. He won't need to here. He'd try to knock her out fast and get her off the battleworld likely to prevent casualty. I mean, hulk can take an accidental super being thrown into him at 2,000 km. Sue can't.

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Guys, Guys, I expected more from you, really now.

    Yes, Superman and Thor are the strongest two in this match, that's kind of obvious. Thank you all for pointing that out, here's your cookie...

    It's a damn good cookie isn't it? Chocolate Chip and walnuts. Here's a glass of milk to wash that sucker down. All done? Okay, come here and sit on Uncle Transporter's lap.

    @Spectre-x and Terrorbyte:

    Fatal flaw my friend. ONE OF THEM HAS TO LOSE. You can't have a stalemate for an eternity now can you? It isn't like Sue and Hulk are just going to sit there, playing patty-cake and hop-scotch.

    That's the tough thing about this match. Supes and Thor, by all right's, SHOULD advance, because they ARE the most powerful here. Yet, they have a history, more then likley, they WILL fight each other, so ONE OF THEM has to lose.

    That's the thing about this whole thing. Yeah, there are some powerful m-fer's out there, however, due to the set-up of this competition, we can't just say...

    "These two are the strongest, they advance"

    Without putting any thought into HOW exactly they advance. Just because your the strongest M'fer on the block, dosen't mean you can't advance due to disqualification, Team-Ups, or, unfortunate character flaws.

    Anyways, that how I see things, of course, I'm prone to dilusions of grandeur....

    Now, off of Unkie Transporter's lap, I've got a terribly uncomfortable boner....

    Edit: See, everyone should listen to Munkus. I don't like it, but Supes being a self-righteous asshole is the PERFECT reason for him to eliminate Sue....as much as I hate it.....asshole....

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  • Mai-KeroMai-Kero Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Scooter wrote:
    I think you're underestimating Gladiator Hulk. I mean, unless you're using the version from the instant he ported in.

    Yes, I am, you gotta have SOME dramatic effect :wink:.

    All I am saying, is that Sue powerful enough to stand and fight Normal Hulk.

    G-Hulk is, admittedly, weaker. Therefore, Sue can take out G-Hulk. Who knows how long that might take, however, she can get it done. He just dosen't have the raw power he used to, even in the most recent issues.

    Gladiator Hulk is at least as strong as regular hulk, if not stronger. He's what, banished Banner so he can focus on kicking everyone's ass? He's pretty fucking pissed, too. As of now, Gladiator Hulk is probably the second or third strongest he's ever been, excepting Onslaught and maybe secret wars.

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  • Bad KarmaBad Karma Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Something about boners?

    superman3.jpg

    Easy boy.

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Bad Karma wrote:
    Something about boners?

    superman3.jpg

    Easy boy.

    Oh God...look at him...so smug.....so GODDAMN CONDESCENDING...I want to fucking punch him in the face.....


    [spoiler:95629c8f96] unf unf unf unf unf[/spoiler:95629c8f96]

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  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Scooter wrote:
    I think you're underestimating Gladiator Hulk. I mean, unless you're using the version from the instant he ported in.

    Yes, I am, you gotta have SOME dramatic effect :wink:.

    All I am saying, is that Sue powerful enough to stand and fight Normal Hulk.

    G-Hulk is, admittedly, weaker. Therefore, Sue can take out G-Hulk. Who knows how long that might take, however, she can get it done. He just dosen't have the raw power he used to, even in the most recent issues.

    Gladiator Hulk is at least as strong as regular hulk, if not stronger. He's what, banished Banner so he can focus on kicking everyone's ass? He's pretty fucking pissed, too. As of now, Gladiator Hulk is probably the second or third strongest he's ever been, excepting Onslaught and maybe secret wars.

    It's pretty obvious from the books that Gladiator Hulk is not at all operating at peak capacity.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited November 2006
    Here's the reason Hulk can't beat Superman: mobility. Superman can easily remove him from the arena, and yes, you can remove people without throwing them into space. Remember, Impulse lost because he ran out of bounds and I'm pretty sure he wasn't running straight up.

    And I don't think Sue can beat either Thor or Superman. And I'm not going to vote on the basis of her hiding out the whole time.

    And Superman has defeated Thor before. So I'd put it:

    1. Superman
    2. Thor
    3. Invisible Woman
    4. Hulk

    Hulk is not the strongest one there is, no matter how many times he says it. He's kind of an unreliable source.

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