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Could Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw and some

LeoLeonard3LeoLeonard3 Registered User regular
edited December 2008 in Games and Technology
First off: Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw is hilarious. His videos highlight my wednesdays!

But I wonder: Could he be a bad influence?

Not on kids, on gamers in general. I've noticed that since Yahtzee's videos have been airing more and more gamers have become ego pricks. I'm not calling yahtzee a prick. But after seeing alot of forums and reading alot of Kotaku comments I realize something: Alot of people think every thing sucks. Specifically GTA4, Halo 3, and Castle Crashers.

Ive seen Gamespot profiles were people will give Game A a score of something like 9. Then, wendesday night it becomes a 5.

This could be a classic case of "He's popular and cool! If I immitate him I'll be cool and popular!"


This is BAD.

Okay, there's another problem here. What if, and I mean it's a big "if", Yahtzee just reviews games with huge hype and calls them shit.

Obviously we don't believe he will or CAN do this. But remember Yahtzee is human. When a human finds he enjoys something it usually means they want to KEEP enjoying it.

Maybe it's just coincincidence. Or maybe I'm angry that Yahtzee said Sonic Adventures 2 sucked...or that he said Sonic Unleashed sucked.

But whaddya think?

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  • JohnDoeJohnDoe Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Yes, Yahtzee invented opinions.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Assuming gamers are so mindless and dumb that the second anyone appears in any public forum with any sort of opinion they will instantly flock to it and copy it is the same flawed and stupid logic that asserts that playing Halo 3 turns kids into violent killing machines.

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  • Shady3011Shady3011 Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Sonic hasn't been up to par for a while.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Correlation does not imply causation.

    He is not the first, nor the last person to have a loud opinion. And I can tell you from personal experience the majority of gamers have been pricks for the last 15 years. This is nothing new.

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  • XiaNaphryzXiaNaphryz Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I've noticed that since Yahtzee's videos have been airing more and more gamers have become ego pricks.

    Welcome to 20-30 years ago. This is not new.

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    I'm not calling yahtzee a prick. But after seeing alot of forums and reading alot of Kotaku comments I realize something: Alot of people think every thing sucks. Specifically GTA4, Halo 3, and Castle Crashers.

    Ive seen Gamespot profiles were people will give Game A a score of something like 9. Then, wendesday night it becomes a 5.

    This could be a classic case of "He's popular and cool! If I immitate him I'll be cool and popular!"


    This is BAD.
    And again, nothing new. It's just that it gets progressively worse as time goes on.

    And please note that some people do think "highly regarded games" like GTA4 and Halo 3 suck with legitimate reasons behind their opinions. Criticism doesn't always equate trolling.

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  • TheSuperWootTheSuperWoot Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I'm not really sure how Yahtzee could influence the opinions of everyone on the internet, as strongly as you suggest. Sometimes people just don't like a game. He definitely wasn't the only one to say that Sonic Unleashed was bad.

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  • LeoLeonard3LeoLeonard3 Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    JohnDoe wrote: »
    Yes, Yahtzee invented opinions.

    I never said that.

    I mean, the big three reviewers on the internet are James Rolfe, Yahtzee, and that IrateGamer guy. IrateGamer and James Rolfe review older games. Games that suck indefinetley. Like ET for the Atari 2600. That shit is bad no matter how you look at it. But Yahtzee reviews new games. Games that have more debate over their level of awesomeness or shittiness. This is what makes yahtzee such a big target for those leet speak filled hate mails.

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  • ImpersonatorImpersonator Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    JohnDoe wrote: »
    Yes, Yahtzee invented opinions.

    This thread is redundant...

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  • Shady3011Shady3011 Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    JohnDoe wrote: »
    Yes, Yahtzee invented opinions.

    I never said that.

    I mean, the big three reviewers on the internet are James Rolfe, Yahtzee, and that IrateGamer guy. IrateGamer and James Rolfe review older games. Games that suck indefinetley. Like ET for the Atari 2600. That shit is bad no matter how you look at it. But Yahtzee reviews new games. Games that have more debate over their level of awesomeness or shittiness. This is what makes yahtzee such a big target for those leet speak filled hate mails.

    See, you're on the wrong forum. We don't give a shit what any of them think.

    Also, it's not new for people to base their opinions on just reviews.

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  • TheSuperWootTheSuperWoot Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    JohnDoe wrote: »
    Yes, Yahtzee invented opinions.

    I never said that.

    I mean, the big three reviewers on the internet are James Rolfe, Yahtzee, and that IrateGamer guy. IrateGamer and James Rolfe review older games. Games that suck indefinetley. Like ET for the Atari 2600. That shit is bad no matter how you look at it. But Yahtzee reviews new games. Games that have more debate over their level of awesomeness or shittiness. This is what makes yahtzee such a big target for those leet speak filled hate mails.

    Wait what? I'm pretty sure that websites such as Gamespot and 1up get much more coverage than any of those guys.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I honestly didn't know that Yahtzee reviews games. I thought he just talks really fast and has an English accent, so people love him.

    Learn something new every day.

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  • LeoLeonard3LeoLeonard3 Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I'm not really sure how Yahtzee could influence the opinions of everyone on the internet, as strongly as you suggest. Sometimes people just don't like a game. He definitely wasn't the only one to say that Sonic Unleashed was bad.
    Yeah, Ive been thinking about that too. Last time i checked(LAST TIME was a week ago) Metacritic had a 69 for Sonic Unleashed. But fan reviews were at an 82. Could it be that reviewers are more prone to not liking it? QUESTIONS PEOPLE! QUESTIONS!

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  • EndomaticEndomatic Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I don't how old you are, but I think people in my Generation, those that grew alongside video games are becoming very jaded with how the genre is progressing.

    I'm speaking from personal experience, and I have a pretty high expectation for games these days. The budgets are massive, the teams are big, the industry is huge. Development time is usually several years.

    This wasn't the case when I was young and back then you had a lot simpler games.

    Now things get too convoluted. Many games try to be all things to all people within their genre and it's just a fools game. I am very disappointed with the direction that the writing is going in many games.
    There's not a lot of depth or personality to it. It's become a race and competition to see who can put out the best graphics, or have the best ragdoll and physics engines.

    That's all well and good if you like that, but it only contributes so much to a game as a whole. When they spend too much time on one thing, others suffer.

    Plus things get cut due to difficulty and time constraints which ties back into trying to do too much at one time.

    I don't think people like Yahtzee are bad. Anyone who has an opinion worth anything will have arrived at that opinion through personal experience and their own thought process.

    There are a lot of people who look at yahtzee's review, believe him completely, and start bashing the game. Those people are idiots, and they're everywhere.

    "Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got em and they all stink"

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  • LeoLeonard3LeoLeonard3 Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    JohnDoe wrote: »
    Yes, Yahtzee invented opinions.

    I never said that.

    I mean, the big three reviewers on the internet are James Rolfe, Yahtzee, and that IrateGamer guy. IrateGamer and James Rolfe review older games. Games that suck indefinetley. Like ET for the Atari 2600. That shit is bad no matter how you look at it. But Yahtzee reviews new games. Games that have more debate over their level of awesomeness or shittiness. This is what makes yahtzee such a big target for those leet speak filled hate mails.

    Wait what? I'm pretty sure that websites such as Gamespot and 1up get much more coverage than any of those guys.
    Yes, but those are entire sites. Not individual people. I was talking individually. For instance: More People will(probably) pick out Ben Croshaws name rather than Reiner(GameInformer)'s name.

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  • PikaPuffPikaPuff Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    opinions differentiating between two different groups of people? amazing.

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  • LeoLeonard3LeoLeonard3 Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Endomatic wrote: »
    I don't how old you are, but I think people in my Generation, those that grew alongside video games are becoming very jaded with how the genre is progressing.

    I'm speaking from personal experience, and I have a pretty high expectation for games these days. The budgets are massive, the teams are big, the industry is huge. Development time is usually several years.

    This wasn't the case when I was young and back then you had a lot simpler games.

    Now things get too convoluted. Many games try to be all things to all people within their genre and it's just a fools game. I am very disappointed with the direction that the writing is going in many games.
    There's not a lot of depth or personality to it. It's become a race and competition to see who can put out the best graphics, or have the best ragdoll and physics engines.

    That's all well and good if you like that, but it only contributes so much to a game as a whole. When they spend too much time on one thing, others suffer.

    Plus things get cut due to difficulty and time constraints which ties back into trying to do too much at one time.

    I don't think people like Yahtzee are bad. Anyone who has an opinion worth anything will have arrived at that opinion through personal experience and their own thought process.

    There are a lot of people who look at yahtzee's review, believe him completely, and start bashing the game. Those people are idiots, and they're everywhere.

    "Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got em and they all stink"


    I'm 28...so yeah. I know what you mean. I dont think Yahtzee is bad either.

    Like that quote on Assholes though. Who said that?

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  • EndomaticEndomatic Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    It's from Fallout 2, the best game I've ever played.

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  • FaffelFaffel Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    It's less that Yahtzee is influencing people and more that the big-budget games and hyped up games are fucking shit.
    Endomatic wrote: »
    It's from Fallout 2, the best game I've ever played.

    Much older than that.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Endomatic wrote: »
    It's from Fallout 2, the best game I've ever played.

    It is originally a much older phrase. It didn't originate from Fallout.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Endomatic wrote: »
    I don't how old you are, but I think people in my Generation, those that grew alongside video games are becoming very jaded with how the genre is progressing.

    I'm speaking from personal experience, and I have a pretty high expectation for games these days. The budgets are massive, the teams are big, the industry is huge. Development time is usually several years.

    This wasn't the case when I was young and back then you had a lot simpler games.

    Now things get too convoluted. Many games try to be all things to all people within their genre and it's just a fools game. I am very disappointed with the direction that the writing is going in many games.
    There's not a lot of depth or personality to it. It's become a race and competition to see who can put out the best graphics, or have the best ragdoll and physics engines.

    That's all well and good if you like that, but it only contributes so much to a game as a whole. When they spend too much time on one thing, others suffer.

    Plus things get cut due to difficulty and time constraints which ties back into trying to do too much at one time.

    I don't think people like Yahtzee are bad. Anyone who has an opinion worth anything will have arrived at that opinion through personal experience and their own thought process.

    There are a lot of people who look at yahtzee's review, believe him completely, and start bashing the game. Those people are idiots, and they're everywhere.

    "Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got em and they all stink"

    The golden age of gaming never happened.

    There has always been an emphasis on technology. There have always been games with bad writing and games with good writing. There have always been technology-focused games and plot-focused games and character-focused games. To think that anyone who grew up with video games is now seeing the industry being worse than when they were growing up is deluded, plain and simple. Games are now far, far, far better than the were before. And while there are games that can stand the test of time due to something outstanding about them(Planescape: Torment, Baldur's Gate II, SMB3, Sonic 3+K, etc), to think that gaming in general is declining is flat out wrong.

    Saying that games were better before is like looking back at the Classical era of music and saying that music today is all worse because when compared to Mozart, Hannah Montana is bad.

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  • JorilJoril BelgiumRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Are you free to express your opinion?
    You sound like you would censor him, now that's bad.

    And no, I don't think he's a bad influence.
    Also, does his opinion make you enjoy games less? And by the way, I think he's not the only one bashing sonic unleashed, so what makes his opinion so special? Is it just because it's so... graphic?

    Funny that you post this after the sonic review. He does have such a fanatical fanbase...

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  • LeoLeonard3LeoLeonard3 Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Endomatic wrote: »
    It's from Fallout 2, the best game I've ever played.

    It is originally a much older phrase. It didn't originate from Fallout.
    GOT IT! Dead Pool(1988)
    That was driving me insane!

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  • APZonerunnerAPZonerunner Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Yahtzee is boring now, to be honest. The problem with his formula is that he reviews new games - occasionally, he reviews an absolute stinker, but he also reviews good games and 'ok' games and yet still tears them a new asshole and it just amkes me yawn because it's getting a little tired now.

    At least Screw Attack/Game Trailers' Angry Video Game Nerd covers games that are years old and absolutely 100% agreed certified shit.

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  • LeoLeonard3LeoLeonard3 Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Joril wrote: »
    Are you free to express your opinion?
    You sound like you would censor him, now that's bad.

    And no, I don't think he's a bad influence.
    Also, does his opinion make you enjoy games less? And by the way, I think he's not the only one bashing sonic unleashed, so what makes his opinion so special? Is it just because it's so... graphic?

    Funny that you post this after the sonic review. He does have such a fanatical fanbase...
    First: Hate Censorship VERY much.
    Second: Sometimes. I remember playing FABLE II, loving it, watched his review, he picked out all the problems, and I enjoyed the game a (small) bit less.

    Fable 2 is still sweet though.

    I'm not gonna dodge the Sonic comment: I was a sega fanboy. Not the annoying ones though, one like that seen in the early years of PA in Gabe: A sega fan that can play other systems, but simply prefers one more than others. My first console was a genesis, first game: Sonic, yadda, yadda. You can see me in the fetal position, sucking my thumb saying: "Dreamcast not dead, best console ever, dreamcast not dead BEST CONSOLE EVER DREAMCAST NOT DEAD WWAAAAHHHH!!!" I DID like Unleashed, I disagreed with some of yahtzee's opinions. I wont lie. But when I was thinking about the review it just dawned on me.

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  • Sol InvictusSol Invictus Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I believe that Yahtzee's just bringing the community back down to earth with his hilarious (but spot-on) reviews about games, especially overhyped games like Fable 2, which is incredibly not fun to play once you get past the graphics and realize that what you've got is a hack and slash game on rails. For example.

    Speaking for myself, as you can see from many of my previous posts (both here and elsewhere), I've never been a fan of Grand Theft Auto IV or many of the other overhyped games for varying reasons that differ from one another, it's very comforting to see that more and more gamers are being conscientious about the games they play instead of simply buying into the massive "everyone plays it, so it must be awesome" hype that mediocre shooters like Halo 3 often tend to receive. They aren't 'bad' games by any stretch of imagination, but they certainly aren't the groundbreaking, enjoyable experiences that have you talking about them for months, like Team Fortress 2 and Left 4 Dead.

    Maybe you're just angry that he said the Sonic games sucked, and as a fan of the game, you're probably justified in your anger. But his opinions are just that: opinions. It just so happens that many of us old school gamers (a force that's seem to be coming out in force these days) are often reminded by Ben about the days of yesteryear, when Sonic was 2d and it was a lot more fun than what the current Sonic games have to offer. The new games simply pale in comparison to the innovation, and most importantly the fun that the old ones had to offer.

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  • PikaPuffPikaPuff Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    people need to learnt hat yahtzee's doens't review games; he bashes them. and as for the mentality of others, people have been bashing things for quite a long while. nothing new. some may like and copy yahtzee's way of doing it, but that's just the current flavor. we had ren and stimpy and bevis and butthead and tracy ulman andrew dice clay and eddie murphy to bash things before and people will find other things to bash with later.

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  • FuzzFuzz Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Pretty much all of the things yahtzee complains about are true. Certain games are repetitive. Certain games are glitchy. He is very good at picking apart what is wrong with a game.

    It's really a matter of whether or not that kind of stuff bothers you, and honestly I love that he's not afraid to point out problems in the best of games. I'd much rather hear reviews like this than a review that is all: "It's the new GTA, man! It's 10/10 no matter what!!"

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  • PikaPuffPikaPuff Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Endomatic wrote: »
    I don't how old you are, but I think people in my Generation, those that grew alongside video games are becoming very jaded with how the genre is progressing.

    I'm speaking from personal experience, and I have a pretty high expectation for games these days. The budgets are massive, the teams are big, the industry is huge. Development time is usually several years.

    This wasn't the case when I was young and back then you had a lot simpler games.
    I like how I'm from the same situation and yet have a low expectation for games. Expectations: Have fun or enjoyment

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  • LeoLeonard3LeoLeonard3 Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Okay, I watched half of the Yahtzee review before. Ill be honest. Why? Because when Yahtzee said the games was shit I paused the vid and went to go play it. See I was nearly done with the thing so I needed a FINAL opinion for my self so I can know exactly what Yahtzee is talking about.

    I have probably lost a great amount of respect for the man after he implies that Sonic Chronicles sucks.

    It doesnt suck and sonic needs more games. He's not quite done.
    Then again neither are most of his games.

    goddammit. I did it again!

    That is all randomness for now.

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  • PikaPuffPikaPuff Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Fuzz wrote: »
    Pretty much all of the things yahtzee complains about are true. Certain games are repetitive. Certain games are glitchy. He is very good at picking apart what is wrong with a game.

    It's really a matter of whether or not that kind of stuff bothers you, and honestly I love that he's not afraid to point out problems in the best of games. I'd much rather hear reviews like this than a review that is all: "It's the new GTA, man! It's 10/10 no matter what!!"
    Yeah he's good at picking out things that are wrong with a game. But he isn't reviewing a game.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    edited December 2008
    So this is the fifth thread you've vomited out in two days that got locked.

    Maybe you should think real hard about the next time you press "New topic" before you find the button mysteriously vanished.

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