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The Dark Spire [DS] - out now! buy it!
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Atlus just announced the other day that theyre bringing over Genmu no Tou to Tsurugi no Okite to the US under the title The Dark Spire with a release date of 3/10/09. it looks a lot like Etrian Odyssey and other Wizardry inspired first person dungeon crawlers. it does automapping though, so you dont draw maps like in EO. what really sets it apart at first glance are the sweetass art style, and the available "classic mode" which is the same game but with wireframe black and white graphics and crude 8bit style sprites. the game was developed by Success.
japanese trailer!
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links!
official site (be sure you click on classic mode)
japanese flash version (Controls are arrow keys for movement, A to open things/action button, X to confirm things like attacks, B to cancel, and Y to toggle the map.)
screens!
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so its out now. theres this wiki, for all your informational type needs.
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But does it have FOE?
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I haven't started it yet, but I listened to the soundtrack while running errands today and it was pretty decent.
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No, that's an optional retro mode they included in the game. You can play that way if you want to (which would be kinda fun for a second runthrough I would think).
You can choose at any point whether to have the modern look or the old-school Wizardry line-art look. It's a cool concession specifically for die-hard fans—which this game is pretty much exclusively aimed at anyway.
I'm intrigued by Dark Spire—Etrian Odyssey rekindled my love affair with the dungeon crawler—but this looks even too old-school for me. I'll wait to hear more impressions, and I'm kind of split between this and Class of Heroes on PSP.
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Oh DAMN YOU RMD. I was hoping to not see this game ever again because I need to save my money....
The first floor is alright, but the second floor or the basement pretty much kill me immediately.
Guess I need to grind a bit, I'm very close to being able to level up to 3... we'll see how that pans out.
just from looking at the game i would imagine that this is going to be a constant refrain.
All I've seen seems to suggest it's all monsters and villainy.
The guildmaster has provided me with all 3 of my quests so far, and doesn't really offer much other than that.
I've run into a couple of people in the Tower itself, one who sold me some item, and a few others that you can speak with on the second floor.
The interactions like in Etrian Odyssey definitely seem to be absent.
You guys must not be familiar with this style of game. It's nothing but a huge dungeon where you go and slaughter monsters. I hear there are some puzzle elements in this game so I don't know how that will work out but just know the meat of this game will be exploring the huge dungeon and fighting things. There's also usually very little story and what story there is is just an excuse to send you into the dungeon to kill beasties.
Maybe Wizardry: TotFL and Etrian Odyssey just have me spoiled on games with both large dungeons and lots of story/NPC content.
Then again, Bard's Tale was the game which I meticulously mapped on graph paper and then made another final draft version. For fun.
My thoughts exactly. I'm interested to get some impressions before I buy. I wonder if I'd like EO as much as I do if there was no map drawing, it added more depth beyond the combat. If this one is just pure combat it might not be enough to hold my interest. But if I hear good things I'll definitely pick it up.
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If you have any love for mapmaking dungeon crawlers, and you haven't tried Etrian Odyssey yet, for the love of Jesus go find EO2.
I see the mapmaking as kind of ancillary; it's more compelling than it really has a right to be, but once the map is done I like being able to focus on powering my way down/up the dungeon floors. The thing that has me on the fence about Dark Spire is that it looks way too old-school for my tastes (Etrian Odyssey is pretty progressive in comparison), and there are only four party members in all of the screens I've seen. If you guys say good things about it, though, I might give it a whirl.
Weapons don't seem to have any sort of listed attack power, so there's really no indication as to what is good or not. I guess more expensive = stronger? Though I bought a Katana for 3000 gold and it seemed weaker than a Kris I found (which sells to the shop for 500)
I'm currently running Warrior/Thief/Priest/Mage and trying to attack with anything other than the Warrior seems like an exercise in futility. Putting the Thief up front is nigh-on suicide, and in the back with a Longbow she does measly damage at best.
The random HP on level up is a paaaaaaaaaaiin. Because apparently "random" to whoever made this game is a 90% chance of gaining 1 HP. I am not ashamed to admit I keep reloading until I get a decent amount of HP, I don't know how I'd survive otherwise.
Still playing though. So obviously these issues aren't enough to stop me. Maybe things will get a bit more manageable when I get the ability to make my guys into their secondary classes (Paladin/Ninja/whatever)
The game is pretty much a copy of any of the old Wizardry style games. If you have played the OLD wizardry/might and magic/ bard's tale games, you know what you are getting with this game. I think this is fantastic as I crave these games, even if i never have the patience to play them all the way through. The difficulty is in the brutal range here. You may be sweeping the floor with the guts of the first sets of monsters, only to get in a fight with a rarer critter that kills some people, or screw up a roll on disarming a trap that basically means your thief just got a death sentence thanks to the poison needle in the eye.
Combat has some interesting options in that your equipped weapons have different styles of attacks that can be accessed off the attack option. Status spells like sleep are way OP and extremely necessary right at the moment, crowd control at its finest. Still hoping the thief gets bonus damage from hiding then attacking, I just don't have enough levels to find out right now. Ambushes for you and your opponents happen fairly often, more so for me so far. I don't really know whats influences the ratio though at this point. Other wise a fairly standard menu system for combat.
There are some nice polishing touches though that take off some of the rough edges.
Character creation is a random affair with attributes generation, but still has a small chance of "critting" a larger roll. I got a charisma of 17 with my elf mage and have never seen any number above 16 on any other attribute roll. Unfortunately you have to roll all 5 attributes in sequence and cant save these fantastic rolls. (Disclaimer, elf charisma may go as high as 17, i just doubt it)
You don't level up automatically. Instead you accumulate EP that you can spend on raising your class levels.
This EP can be spent on any class provided you have the minimum stats for the class. You can also spend this EP on extra skills that are to the point like "Healthy Lifestyle" that makes you stronger against status effects to Painting which at this point I am clueless on what it actually does. You can also spend EP on raising your attributes but that looks to be prohibitively expensive at this point. I speculate that any "power build" in this game is going to rely heavily on making sure everyone can be a warrior first and then there preferred class as you only seem to get extra hit points on your highest class.
Your pretty much able to save anywhere, a welcome thing for me, as I am totally OCD about doing things "just right". However I really think this makes the game more accessible, even if it makes quite a bit easier
Money makes the world go round, and buys you stuff, for now. Shop bought items are absolutely essential right now, as getting your main meat shield down below a 0 armor class makes the first level much more agreeable. I really have no idea how that will work out later though. There is already an "extra" shop on floor 2 so I would assume that such thing will show up from time to time.
So far im enjoying this. Its my kinda of game. It looks pretty grindy though experience and gold wise, so that could be a turn off for some folks, although I suspect if you tolerated Etrian Oddessy's endless trips back and forth you would do fine in this game. There have been a few interesting surprises already and I just adore the style that oozes from every aspect of the game. Im looking forward to figuring out some of the mysteries that are already poping up and hope it continues as I play more.