In the interests of humoring my laziness, could someone explain to me how the pvp works in this game?
I keep hearing about how great this is supposed to be, and how it's a refuge for the "hardcore" pvper, but then I look at the select+auto-attack combat and wonder how that can be.
With this game, as with any other, I ask the fundamental question:
What makes one player better than another at pvp?
If the answer satisfies me, I will start up a free trial account and see how it goes.
Let people scan down cloaked ships. Delay your entering local until you uncloak after a gate jump(rather than immediately after you jump), and increase the log off timer to 5 minutes without aggression.
In the interests of humoring my laziness, could someone explain to me how the pvp works in this game?
I keep hearing about how great this is supposed to be, and how it's a refuge for the "hardcore" pvper, but then I look at the select+auto-attack combat and wonder how that can be.
With this game, as with any other, I ask the fundamental question:
What makes one player better than another at pvp?
If the answer satisfies me, I will start up a free trial account and see how it goes.
PvP in Eve isn't about how good your reflexes or how hardcore your guild is so you can get that "+57 Sword of Killing Everyone who doesn't raid"
In Eve it's all about preplanning, making sure your ship has the right guns, ammo, and other specific items on your ship. It's also about the strategy of who to attack when and where depending on shiptypes and other factors. Basically if you think you are an awesome FPS player or like to run around in WoW Battlegrounds you will probably not like the PvP at first.
yeah here's an illustration of something I did in corp chat on jabber today, talking about solo pvp:
all of this is literally about which ship to choose out of a few types, and how to fit it, you'll see the amount of detail you can go into, and morris falter and I tend to agree on most setups so there wasn't major arguments. I was simply thinking out loud/bouncing ideas around of what to use and where (i edited out a little bit on the where since I'm gonna try to gank some of the dudes who read on this forum!)
(01:41:27 PM) trevorreznik: im getting to the point of thinking rupture or hurricane and fight anything and everything i see
(01:42:13 PM) COL Omeega: rupture and hurric are both cool
(01:44:43 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: ruptures are fun
(01:44:50 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: but you'll die every single time
(01:45:03 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: you might kill 5 people
(01:45:05 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: but still die
(01:45:10 PM) trevorreznik: wow you can actually make a nice gank hurricane now
(01:45:17 PM) trevorreznik: because of the scram change you can do mwd/scram/2xlse
(01:45:19 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: i have shield tanked arty cane :V
(01:45:21 PM) trevorreznik: and then 3xgyro/dc/2xnano
(01:45:27 PM) trevorreznik: 6x425 ac/2xhml
(01:45:35 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: artys are ok on it
(01:45:44 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: i'd suggest better than ac
(01:45:50 PM) trevorreznik: 540 dps with barrage and drones, 3km opt/19 falloff with ambit rigs
(01:45:51 PM) trevorreznik: really?
(01:45:52 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: 650mm II's
(01:46:00 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: yeah, they track ok it seems
(01:46:21 PM) trevorreznik: faction emp ?
(01:46:36 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: and phased plasma, carbonised etc
(01:46:36 PM) trevorreznik: 415 dps at 12+21, nea
(01:46:38 PM) trevorreznik: neat
(01:46:52 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: its a good buffer
(01:46:52 PM) trevorreznik: what was the rest of your fit
(01:46:58 PM) trevorreznik: ill drop the nanos for tes
(01:47:03 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: 650s, launchers
(01:47:06 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: mwd, 2x lse II, point
(01:47:17 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: 2x gyro, 1x tracking , damage control, pdu
(01:47:18 PM) trevorreznik: i figure scram instead of point
(01:47:22 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: 3x shield resit rig
(01:47:44 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: dont really need the rigs
(01:47:46 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: but it helps
(01:47:54 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: the resistance ones are cheap anyway
(01:48:53 PM) trevorreznik: you can do a 720 fit with an rcu and 3 gyros
(01:49:03 PM) trevorreznik: 3xgyro/dc/te/rcu ii
(01:49:24 PM) trevorreznik: missiles are so terrible even though i can use t2 hmls :I
(01:50:24 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: useless weapon
(01:51:42 PM) trevorreznik: stiletto's probably my best bet and just run around after haulers and miners
(01:51:49 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: yeah, or sabre..
(01:51:58 PM) trevorreznik: yeah i'm not sure which i'd rather have
(01:52:08 PM) trevorreznik: with jumpbridges it's very hard to catch shit
(01:52:15 PM) trevorreznik: honestly stiletto is appealing simply because i can travel faster
(01:54:20 PM) trevorreznik: know a better stiletto setup than 2x200/rocket, mwd/scram/web/sensor, 2xnano/gyro?
(01:55:04 PM) trevorreznik: scram at 10.8/web at 10, falloff is around 8km, rocket launcher optimal the same
(01:55:05 PM) trevorreznik: 74 dps
(01:55:47 PM) trevorreznik: sabre dps is 155 with no gyro/6 guns
(01:56:12 PM) trevorreznik: actually disruptor's better on that stiletto setup, im dumb
(01:56:44 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: disrup + scram
(01:56:55 PM) trevorreznik: seriously?
(01:57:22 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: web is kinda useless these days
(01:58:07 PM) trevorreznik: lemme do some math
(01:58:19 PM) trevorreznik: i think you're right simply because of how the scram kicks in nicely, i hadn't thought of that
(01:58:26 PM) trevorreznik: im still used to the 90% webs when i was doing this thought process
(01:59:00 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: no mwd on some ships is death, and ships that dont need it tend to be slow
(01:59:24 PM) trevorreznik: 60% on a web and it's 550% on a mwd
(01:59:39 PM) trevorreznik: which is basically the same right
(02:00:01 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: 550 before skills / implant
(02:00:03 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: gang bonus
(02:00:07 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: its similar i guess
(02:00:43 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: say inty goes 500m/s base
(02:00:49 PM) trevorreznik: a ship that does say 150 m/s * 5.50 * .4 = 330 m/s when webbed and mwding
(02:01:04 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: looks right
(02:01:15 PM) trevorreznik: 500% not 5.5 hm
(02:01:20 PM) trevorreznik: so 300
(02:01:25 PM) trevorreznik: yeah that's stupid why would i want a web
(02:01:30 PM) trevorreznik: when i can shut off the mwd and he goes 150 m/s
(02:01:48 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: just need to get a point on him first
(02:02:02 PM) trevorreznik: from 30km away or whatever the heck a stiletto hits to when overheated
(02:02:18 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: i trained interceptors 5 =/
(02:02:24 PM) trevorreznik: inty 5 is good now
(02:02:28 PM) trevorreznik: use a complex mwd
(02:02:29 PM) trevorreznik: and halos
(02:02:29 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: i thougth so too
(02:02:34 PM) trevorreznik: and you have an unbeliveably low sig
(02:02:39 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: i've got LG halo set
(02:02:46 PM) trevorreznik: a goon buddy of mine was telling me he uses lg halo on his sabre
(02:03:03 PM) trevorreznik: and killed a heretic that had fighters assigned , lived in structure most likely due to the halos
cant fly the taranis sadly, otherwise i'd roll with that instead of the stiletto. sabre just doesnt seem worth the cost for soloing to me-you actually seem to be able to get less fights in it since ceptors won't engage, and you have less a chance of getting to someone that isnt within 20km of you
Shouldn't a claw work? its no taranis, but it should work only slightly worse. Claw suffered from a lack of a web, but the scram changes should help that.
cant fly the taranis sadly, otherwise i'd roll with that instead of the stiletto. sabre just doesnt seem worth the cost for soloing to me-you actually seem to be able to get less fights in it since ceptors won't engage, and you have less a chance of getting to someone that isnt within 20km of you
you use it to camp gates and grab small shit, it and the taranis can handle some cruisers hull ships.
but yeah this is what a lot of the solo/small gang pvp in eve is about-figuring out what ship you want, how you want to set it up, where you want to take it, and what you want to fight with it. you spend more time doing that than actually fighting.
if it wasn't for the change in gate sizes i'd rather fly the sabre, but that's a dealbreaker for me
but yeah this is what a lot of the solo/small gang pvp in eve is about-figuring out what ship you want, how you want to set it up, where you want to take it, and what you want to fight with it. you spend more time doing that than actually fighting.
if it wasn't for the change in gate sizes i'd rather fly the sabre, but that's a dealbreaker for me
There is allot of camps you still can camp, you just avoid const and region gates. The second option is using a small mobile and use it for inline snags. The sabre is great here as you can easily carry a small plus all your ammo/bubbles
Hey Cupcakes. Keep your eyes and ears open. Operatives of the Guiding Hand Social Club are on the move. Watch the forums in the next few weeks for much griefage
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Hey Cupcakes. Keep your eyes and ears open. Operatives of the Guiding Hand Social Club are on the move. Watch the forums in the next few weeks for much griefage
Hey Cupcakes. Keep your eyes and ears open. Operatives of the Guiding Hand Social Club are on the move. Watch the forums in the next few weeks for much griefage
go discuss the game in the MMO forum so you don't get my recruit thread locked please.
Again, for the slow people. You can't create a PA account and then apply 30s later. I won't accept you because you're not a forum user, you're a guy who created an account to join.
if you mean theadj, yes, as he's one of the people who love to bask in glory but not own up to any failings, i could go into detail but no one cares about what a bitter guy like me thinks :P
if you mean suas, no. i didn't like to go on his ops because I prefer to have TS silent, but I won't forget that he carried GS against BoB when all the other directors were running off to join PL (graham, darius) or just disappearing (mittani, scavok on 3 occasions). suas had his flaws but also did more for GS than anyone else. don't forget that Xttz's titan is also suas's (shared ownership) and that suas got kicked from GF a day or two ago
gf needs to let the people banned come back and post, like they did with remedial . by that i mean iromei and suas, it'd make for even more drama I'm sure
entire thread's up on kugu now , I namesearched myself and found results!
serious question: is specops gonna get disbanded now? It's probably time to put it down, as that group didn't do jack shit unless scavok, suas, or myself (and sometimes alekanderu/jbev/davey/hammy but that was much rarer) were forcing them to
I dono, i left about a week ago before all this nonsense happened.
But for the last 5 months we've been doing nothing but go on fleet ops. Then xttz would hint at a deployment, everyone would get excited but nothing would ever come if it because no one was around to organise shit since xttz and avalloc were busy doing other stuff and no one really ever stood up and took control
So yeah its probably dead
Sniff
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EvE: Vetitum/Venitum
It wasn't for yelina to start off with if i've got the story right
It was ment for Iromei with yelina funding part of it, why? who knows. After the whole specops tower drame/yelina storming out thing, i'm supprise it ever even got build without darius intervening.
After seeing some chatlogs with Yelina I wouldn't have built a titan for him either.
I am probably going to re-sub to try and make a fortune on wormholes when the new expansion drops, no matter how stupid they turn out to be. I want to ride the T3 early scarcity wave, make a couple billion, and then I'll pretty much be set for a while because all I ever fly or want to fly is fleet BS.
I mean progressing to capitals might make some sense, but fuck if I'm paying for two accounts (way too lazy to make enough isk to time card an account).
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I keep hearing about how great this is supposed to be, and how it's a refuge for the "hardcore" pvper, but then I look at the select+auto-attack combat and wonder how that can be.
With this game, as with any other, I ask the fundamental question:
What makes one player better than another at pvp?
If the answer satisfies me, I will start up a free trial account and see how it goes.
Let people scan down cloaked ships. Delay your entering local until you uncloak after a gate jump(rather than immediately after you jump), and increase the log off timer to 5 minutes without aggression.
im the worst
EvE: Vetitum/Venitum
PvP in Eve isn't about how good your reflexes or how hardcore your guild is so you can get that "+57 Sword of Killing Everyone who doesn't raid"
In Eve it's all about preplanning, making sure your ship has the right guns, ammo, and other specific items on your ship. It's also about the strategy of who to attack when and where depending on shiptypes and other factors. Basically if you think you are an awesome FPS player or like to run around in WoW Battlegrounds you will probably not like the PvP at first.
all of this is literally about which ship to choose out of a few types, and how to fit it, you'll see the amount of detail you can go into, and morris falter and I tend to agree on most setups so there wasn't major arguments. I was simply thinking out loud/bouncing ideas around of what to use and where (i edited out a little bit on the where since I'm gonna try to gank some of the dudes who read on this forum!)
(01:42:13 PM) COL Omeega: rupture and hurric are both cool
(01:44:43 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: ruptures are fun
(01:44:50 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: but you'll die every single time
(01:45:03 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: you might kill 5 people
(01:45:05 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: but still die
(01:45:10 PM) trevorreznik: wow you can actually make a nice gank hurricane now
(01:45:17 PM) trevorreznik: because of the scram change you can do mwd/scram/2xlse
(01:45:19 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: i have shield tanked arty cane :V
(01:45:21 PM) trevorreznik: and then 3xgyro/dc/2xnano
(01:45:27 PM) trevorreznik: 6x425 ac/2xhml
(01:45:35 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: artys are ok on it
(01:45:44 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: i'd suggest better than ac
(01:45:50 PM) trevorreznik: 540 dps with barrage and drones, 3km opt/19 falloff with ambit rigs
(01:45:51 PM) trevorreznik: really?
(01:45:52 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: 650mm II's
(01:46:00 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: yeah, they track ok it seems
(01:46:21 PM) trevorreznik: faction emp ?
(01:46:36 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: and phased plasma, carbonised etc
(01:46:36 PM) trevorreznik: 415 dps at 12+21, nea
(01:46:38 PM) trevorreznik: neat
(01:46:52 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: its a good buffer
(01:46:52 PM) trevorreznik: what was the rest of your fit
(01:46:58 PM) trevorreznik: ill drop the nanos for tes
(01:47:03 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: 650s, launchers
(01:47:06 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: mwd, 2x lse II, point
(01:47:17 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: 2x gyro, 1x tracking , damage control, pdu
(01:47:18 PM) trevorreznik: i figure scram instead of point
(01:47:22 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: 3x shield resit rig
(01:47:44 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: dont really need the rigs
(01:47:46 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: but it helps
(01:47:54 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: the resistance ones are cheap anyway
(01:48:53 PM) trevorreznik: you can do a 720 fit with an rcu and 3 gyros
(01:49:03 PM) trevorreznik: 3xgyro/dc/te/rcu ii
(01:49:24 PM) trevorreznik: missiles are so terrible even though i can use t2 hmls :I
(01:50:24 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: useless weapon
(01:51:42 PM) trevorreznik: stiletto's probably my best bet and just run around after haulers and miners
(01:51:49 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: yeah, or sabre..
(01:51:58 PM) trevorreznik: yeah i'm not sure which i'd rather have
(01:52:08 PM) trevorreznik: with jumpbridges it's very hard to catch shit
(01:52:15 PM) trevorreznik: honestly stiletto is appealing simply because i can travel faster
(01:54:20 PM) trevorreznik: know a better stiletto setup than 2x200/rocket, mwd/scram/web/sensor, 2xnano/gyro?
(01:55:04 PM) trevorreznik: scram at 10.8/web at 10, falloff is around 8km, rocket launcher optimal the same
(01:55:05 PM) trevorreznik: 74 dps
(01:55:47 PM) trevorreznik: sabre dps is 155 with no gyro/6 guns
(01:56:12 PM) trevorreznik: actually disruptor's better on that stiletto setup, im dumb
(01:56:44 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: disrup + scram
(01:56:55 PM) trevorreznik: seriously?
(01:57:22 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: web is kinda useless these days
(01:58:07 PM) trevorreznik: lemme do some math
(01:58:19 PM) trevorreznik: i think you're right simply because of how the scram kicks in nicely, i hadn't thought of that
(01:58:26 PM) trevorreznik: im still used to the 90% webs when i was doing this thought process
(01:59:00 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: no mwd on some ships is death, and ships that dont need it tend to be slow
(01:59:24 PM) trevorreznik: 60% on a web and it's 550% on a mwd
(01:59:39 PM) trevorreznik: which is basically the same right
(02:00:01 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: 550 before skills / implant
(02:00:03 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: gang bonus
(02:00:07 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: its similar i guess
(02:00:43 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: say inty goes 500m/s base
(02:00:49 PM) trevorreznik: a ship that does say 150 m/s * 5.50 * .4 = 330 m/s when webbed and mwding
(02:01:04 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: looks right
(02:01:15 PM) trevorreznik: 500% not 5.5 hm
(02:01:20 PM) trevorreznik: so 300
(02:01:25 PM) trevorreznik: yeah that's stupid why would i want a web
(02:01:30 PM) trevorreznik: when i can shut off the mwd and he goes 150 m/s
(02:01:48 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: just need to get a point on him first
(02:02:02 PM) trevorreznik: from 30km away or whatever the heck a stiletto hits to when overheated
(02:02:18 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: i trained interceptors 5 =/
(02:02:24 PM) trevorreznik: inty 5 is good now
(02:02:28 PM) trevorreznik: use a complex mwd
(02:02:29 PM) trevorreznik: and halos
(02:02:29 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: i thougth so too
(02:02:34 PM) trevorreznik: and you have an unbeliveably low sig
(02:02:39 PM) Generalissimo-Falter: i've got LG halo set
(02:02:46 PM) trevorreznik: a goon buddy of mine was telling me he uses lg halo on his sabre
(02:03:03 PM) trevorreznik: and killed a heretic that had fighters assigned , lived in structure most likely due to the halos
Armor 'Cane
Armor Rupture
7 gun dps Sabre
taranis
you use it to camp gates and grab small shit, it and the taranis can handle some cruisers hull ships.
but yeah this is what a lot of the solo/small gang pvp in eve is about-figuring out what ship you want, how you want to set it up, where you want to take it, and what you want to fight with it. you spend more time doing that than actually fighting.
if it wasn't for the change in gate sizes i'd rather fly the sabre, but that's a dealbreaker for me
There is allot of camps you still can camp, you just avoid const and region gates. The second option is using a small mobile and use it for inline snags. The sabre is great here as you can easily carry a small plus all your ammo/bubbles
umm no.
tyraxx sobered up?
hey look at me
Again, for the slow people. You can't create a PA account and then apply 30s later. I won't accept you because you're not a forum user, you're a guy who created an account to join.
I applied in game hope to fly with you soon o7
I'll let you in as soon as I recieve the 200m isk security deposit. Send money to Vorick, please.
ahahah this rules
We are never allowed to have nice things.
Did you too always hate that f****t?
EvE: Vetitum/Venitum
if you mean suas, no. i didn't like to go on his ops because I prefer to have TS silent, but I won't forget that he carried GS against BoB when all the other directors were running off to join PL (graham, darius) or just disappearing (mittani, scavok on 3 occasions). suas had his flaws but also did more for GS than anyone else. don't forget that Xttz's titan is also suas's (shared ownership) and that suas got kicked from GF a day or two ago
EvE: Vetitum/Venitum
serious question: is specops gonna get disbanded now? It's probably time to put it down, as that group didn't do jack shit unless scavok, suas, or myself (and sometimes alekanderu/jbev/davey/hammy but that was much rarer) were forcing them to
But for the last 5 months we've been doing nothing but go on fleet ops. Then xttz would hint at a deployment, everyone would get excited but nothing would ever come if it because no one was around to organise shit since xttz and avalloc were busy doing other stuff and no one really ever stood up and took control
So yeah its probably dead
Sniff
EvE: Vetitum/Venitum
*takes a few more billion in ships/mods, dies*
no sir
uh uh
EvE: Vetitum/Venitum
It was ment for Iromei with yelina funding part of it, why? who knows. After the whole specops tower drame/yelina storming out thing, i'm supprise it ever even got build without darius intervening.
Oh and if you missed it http://drop.io/suas_stole_a_titan
EvE: Vetitum/Venitum
I am probably going to re-sub to try and make a fortune on wormholes when the new expansion drops, no matter how stupid they turn out to be. I want to ride the T3 early scarcity wave, make a couple billion, and then I'll pretty much be set for a while because all I ever fly or want to fly is fleet BS.
I mean progressing to capitals might make some sense, but fuck if I'm paying for two accounts (way too lazy to make enough isk to time card an account).