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Valkyrie: The story of an all together alright Nazi
Ethan Smith
Origin name: Beart4toArlington, VARegistered User regular
Origin name: Beart4toArlington, VARegistered User regular
The story of a German colonel who realizes that to save Germany he would have to kill Hitler, and then joins a group of military officers and civilians with an attempt to bring down Hitler and the SS.
It was an ok movie, but personally, I think it would've been far better if it was a movie that took place in the Galactic Empire about a plot to kill Palpatine.
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It didn't help that in every preview I saw he didn't appear to be acting at all, and was basically Tom Cruise with an eye patch.
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No, he plays another guy, the person who actually attempted a coup.
What's worse is that the stepdad from Shaun of the Dead (or the head Vampire from Underworld 1) plays a German general. It's weirder to me seeing a guy with a British accent playing a German guy (only the person playing Hitler has a vaguely German accent, and then, he has few lines). This makes my claim even more obvious--if it was the Empire, accents wouldn't matter. God damnit.
Which is very stupid, but whatever.
This is what bothered me the most about the movie. You never forget you're watching Tom Cruise.
And it's nagging, but the fact that people have accents and others bothered me.
I'm not so well read on this subject, what did Rommel have to do with the assassination plot?
He didn't have anything to do with the Stauffenberg plot (the one the movie is about) but he was part of a later one.
I've actually been to the German resistance museum in Berlin, which has a section devoted to just this very guy- I even got a chance to speak to the director of said museum, who opposed this movie viciously, because he said it missed some of the central ambiguities, tragedies and complexities of the story.
Exactly. They took something that could be a tense period drama and turned it into an action movie; a story that did not in fact have any action.
As someone said, put it in Star Wars and have it be an Imperial plot to kill the Emperor. That would have been pretty cool.
I had a good chuckle at this. I'm going to wait until DVD to see this one unless a friend of mine really wants to see it now.
But yeah, it was weird seeing so many actors I knew from other places.
There's also a distinct lack of explanation for their betrayal of Hitler. I guess we're supposed to just buy in to "Hitler is bad!", but not all of these men had noble intentions and it would have been nice to see a bit of a clash within the coup. Instead, everyone on board with this seems like they have nothing but heroic reasons.
I have never understood why films like this bother with accents. You're already going through the suspension of disbelief of having everyone speak english, do you really need to have them speak with silly accents?
I would actually not be surprised if even officers weren't allowed to carry hand guns when meeting Hitler.
I saw a National Geographic program on people trying to assasinate Hitler a couple of days ago. It was pretty interesting. There were apparently 42 seperate plots that we know of.
Basically this. If you're not going to go with german/subtitles, you don't really make up any ground by having your english speaking actors replace their th's with z's.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Man, if you don't trust someone enough to NOT SHOOT YOU IN THE FACE how can you expect them to command your men to victory?
Because while you can depend on them to want Germany to win, you might not depend on them to want you to still be the leader of Germany when that happens?
Bill Nighy as Davy Jones completely blows. my. fucking. mind.
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The wikipedia article on the movie also has a comparison picture:
I think even if you are speaking english, a german accent is required. When germans have american accents, something just doesn't feel right about it.
The Germans I meet all had fathers and grandfathers who participated in plots to kill Hitler.
Oh, and while Rommel was involved, he was in France during the coup. Nowhere near the events in Berlin or at the Wolf's Lair. No reason for him to be in the movie.
No you don't cuz it would suck
Yes, they spoke English, it's a film primarily for Americans. However, they weren't really speaking English, you are to believe they are speaking German. At the beginning, Cruise is speaking in German, and slowly it starts to become translated to English on the fly. This is a common method used in other movies to show what language is really being spoken throughout, but so you can understand the film and not have subtitles.
Second, for the guy who said they took a boring assassination plot and turned it into an action movie: this is not an action movie. It is very much a political thriller. The only "action" was when the bomb goes off. Otherwise, it's a bunch of people talking, and then showing the coup after the bomb.
Cruise wasn't bad at all, and it was definitely a good fit after seeing that comparison picture.
Also, it was quite clear not everyone was in it to do a good thing, people had political and power gains if the plot went through. As for why nobody tried to just shoot him - heavy security for one, and the other more important reason. They explained very clearly that a plot had to be set up to take over Germany from the SS, among other high ranking officials that would be just as bad, if not worse than Hitler himself was. Think of a Hydra. They needed to turn the people on the SS, which is what the Valkyrie plan was being used for.
Yup! I believe this trick was first used in The Hunt for Red October to good effect, because Sean Connery couldn't speak Russian worth a damn.
I honestly was nervous about Cruise being distracting, but he wasn't. I honestly didn't have a hard time with it at all.
My boyfriend's only complaint was that the end was a bit depressing, but that was to be expected. I mean. Hilter lived.
And the actor that they had to play Hitler did quite well, I thought. He might not have had many lines or much screen time, BUT, He did cause shivers down my arms just by his appearance.
But that could just be me.
And yeah, the English thing, didn't really bother me.
I remember watching some History Channel thing a few years back that proved that if Stauffenberg had just placed the bag a little closer to Hitler, like on the other side of the table leg, there could have been some serious potential damage done, possibly even death. I like that they showed the placement of the bag in the final moments within the wolf's lair.
All in all, not a bad film to go see.
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