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because the UN is like that dude who tries to calm down two other dudes are getting ready to brawl each other and then takes off as soon as punches start getting thrown
you know, team america summed up the UN perfectly
"or else what?"
"or else we wil be very angry.
and we will write you a letter telling you how angry we are."
oh no
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ZoelI suppose... I'd put it onRegistered Userregular
edited December 2008
Also last I checked wasn't the general assembly more into condemning Israel for baking pretzels on the sabbath and being dicks?
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A magician gives you a ring that, when worn, will let you see the world as it truly is.
However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
The reason for the raid isn't the latest attacks, its Sderot and Ashkelon.
Since 2001 both cities are bombarded with rockets daily (3-4 on average) while the government is sitting on their fat ass, doing nothing because they didn't get a green light from the USA (to which Israel is a puppet due to it funding most of its military).
Few have died, but both cities are constantly damaged heavily and you cannot stumble into a kid who is not a shakened, shriveled, shell. Recently a massive exodus occurred and both are growing emptier and emptier- at this rate, in a few years, none will live in this area - which is exactly the purpose of this terror attack: to take these cities and reach deeper into the heart of Israel.
Now, either Israel said 'Fuck that' (Highly unlikely, considering the current administration's trademark mix of cowardice and incompetence), the USA stopped caring (most likely), or someone up there gave this whole thing a green light.
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"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity; but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes to make it possible." - T.E. Lawrence
yes yes, hamas' intentional targeting of civilians surely does not affect the world's view of them, nor had it any influence on the current situation
not at all
They're a terrorist organization. It's hard to get outraged when a terrorist group starts targeting civilians because that's what they do. They're terrorists.
When a first world nation starts targeting civilians, it's a different matter. We expect first world nations to behave themselves and not do shit like this, because they're held to a higher standard than that of terrorist organizations. When they start doing the same thing, it's lamentable because they're indulging in the same kind of practices as the organizations they claim to the opposite of.
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EDIT: Dang, that does suck, GP. Those people don't deserve that kind of shit.
yes yes, hamas' intentional targeting of civilians surely does not affect the world's view of them, nor had it any influence on the current situation
not at all
They're a terrorist organization. It's hard to get outraged when a terrorist group starts targeting civilians because that's what they do. They're terrorists.
When a first world nation starts targeting civilians, it's a different matter. We expect first world nations to behave themselves and not do shit like this, because they're held to a higher standard than that of terrorist organizations. When they start doing the same thing, it's lamentable because they're indulging in the same kind of practices as the organizations they claim to the opposite of.
I like italics!
when you design a missile that can target millitary and not hit civilians, alert the media
yes yes, hamas' intentional targeting of civilians surely does not affect the world's view of them, nor had it any influence on the current situation
not at all
They're a terrorist organization. It's hard to get outraged when a terrorist group starts targeting civilians because that's what they do. They're terrorists.
When a first world nation starts targeting civilians, it's a different matter. We expect first world nations to behave themselves and not do shit like this, because they're held to a higher standard than that of terrorist organizations. When they start doing the same thing, it's lamentable because they're indulging in the same kind of practices as the organizations they claim to the opposite of.
I like italics!
when you design a missile that can target millitary and not hit civilians, alert the media
maybe then they should start thinking about something other than missiles
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HarrierThe Star Spangled ManRegistered Userregular
edited December 2008
Man, I wish they'd waited until Obama was in office.
I'd really rather the Middle East not go into deeper shit with Bush still on deck.
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
edited December 2008
why?
they don't cost you soldiers
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ButtersA glass of some milksRegistered Userregular
yes yes, hamas' intentional targeting of civilians surely does not affect the world's view of them, nor had it any influence on the current situation
not at all
They're a terrorist organization. It's hard to get outraged when a terrorist group starts targeting civilians because that's what they do. They're terrorists.
When a first world nation starts targeting civilians, it's a different matter. We expect first world nations to behave themselves and not do shit like this, because they're held to a higher standard than that of terrorist organizations. When they start doing the same thing, it's lamentable because they're indulging in the same kind of practices as the organizations they claim to the opposite of.
I like italics!
when you design a missile that can target millitary and not hit civilians, alert the media
maybe then they should start thinking about something other than missiles
Hugs?
Hacksaw, first world nations to do not target civilians. If Israel were targeting civilians a lot more than just a handful would be dead. You are equating collateral damage with terrorist attacks and that's pretty fucking stupid right there.
Hacksaw, first world nations to do not target civilians. If Israel were targeting civilians a lot more than just a handful would be dead. You are equating collateral damage with terrorist attacks and that's pretty fucking stupid right there.
Considering they're knowingly targeting so-called terrorist targets which are located in extremely dense civilian centers, I think I'm at least a little justified for being pissed at Israel for blasting the shit out of Palestinian bystanders.
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ZoelI suppose... I'd put it onRegistered Userregular
edited December 2008
This is sort of beyond my military knowledge but like
Hasn't Israel kidnapped nazi war criminals from half-way across the globe?
Couldn't they do an assassination here and there in their own back yard once in a while? You never really seem to hear about that sort of thing going on, it's always bombombomb.
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HarrierThe Star Spangled ManRegistered Userregular
edited December 2008
Well, first-world nations aren't supposed to target civilians
At least not until they get into Total War mode
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
but a soldier is an active combatant in an active zone, as you just mentioned
a lady hurrying to the store at the unfortunate time a bomb falls out of the sky is not
anyway i'm not in support of either side, i think it's a horrible conflict and will continue to be a horrible conflict for the forseeable future
you're right
an army should use muffins that only target soldiers and the soldiers don't die they just take a great nap while the other side puts them in non-painful handcuffs
This is sort of beyond my military knowledge but like
Hasn't Israel kidnapped nazi war criminals from half-way across the globe?
Couldn't they do an assassination here and there in their own back yard once in a while? You never really seem to hear about that sort of thing going on, it's always bombombomb.
Yes. . . 30-60 years ago under the rule of competent leaders.
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HarrierThe Star Spangled ManRegistered Userregular
This is sort of beyond my military knowledge but like
Hasn't Israel kidnapped nazi war criminals from half-way across the globe?
Couldn't they do an assassination here and there in their own back yard once in a while? You never really seem to hear about that sort of thing going on, it's always bombombomb.
The Palestinians aren't as vulnerable to tactics like that precisely because they've been living next to Israel for 50 years. This is especially true of organizations like Hamas; they guard their VIPs extremely well, and their locations are often unknown or falsified when they are moved.
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
This is sort of beyond my military knowledge but like
Hasn't Israel kidnapped nazi war criminals from half-way across the globe?
Couldn't they do an assassination here and there in their own back yard once in a while? You never really seem to hear about that sort of thing going on, it's always bombombomb.
Yes. . . 30-60 years ago under the rule of competent leaders.
yeah, the current leadership is completely incompetent in terms of military operations
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HacksawJ. Duggan Esq.Wrestler at LawRegistered Userregular
This is sort of beyond my military knowledge but like
Hasn't Israel kidnapped nazi war criminals from half-way across the globe?
Couldn't they do an assassination here and there in their own back yard once in a while? You never really seem to hear about that sort of thing going on, it's always bombombomb.
Yes. . . 30-60 years ago under the rule of competent leaders.
That's disheartening. Any chance you'll have a shot at people who actually know what the fuck they're doing come the next election cycle?
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
This is sort of beyond my military knowledge but like
Hasn't Israel kidnapped nazi war criminals from half-way across the globe?
Couldn't they do an assassination here and there in their own back yard once in a while? You never really seem to hear about that sort of thing going on, it's always bombombomb.
Yes. . . 30-60 years ago under the rule of competent leaders.
That's disheartening. Any chance you'll have a shot at people who actually know what the fuck they're doing come the next election cycle?
you need a war for people to learn how to fight
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ButtersA glass of some milksRegistered Userregular
Hacksaw, first world nations to do not target civilians. If Israel were targeting civilians a lot more than just a handful would be dead. You are equating collateral damage with terrorist attacks and that's pretty fucking stupid right there.
Considering they're knowingly targeting so-called terrorist targets which are located in extremely dense civilian centers, I think I'm at least a little justified for being pissed at Israel for blasting the shit out of Palestinian bystanders.
They aren't "so called terrorist targets". They are known Hamas security installations. You really think they were just guessing and only 15 or so civilians appear to be dead?
Either you aren't actually reading any of the reports or your distaste for Israel is leading you to willful ignorance.
This is sort of beyond my military knowledge but like
Hasn't Israel kidnapped nazi war criminals from half-way across the globe?
Couldn't they do an assassination here and there in their own back yard once in a while? You never really seem to hear about that sort of thing going on, it's always bombombomb.
The Palestinians aren't as vulnerable to tactics like that precisely because they've been living next to Israel for 50 years. This is especially true of organizations like Hamas; they guard their VIPs extremely well, and their locations are often unknown or falsified when they are moved.
Also Jason Bourne and James Bond aren't actually real.
Hacksaw, first world nations to do not target civilians. If Israel were targeting civilians a lot more than just a handful would be dead. You are equating collateral damage with terrorist attacks and that's pretty fucking stupid right there.
Considering they're knowingly targeting so-called terrorist targets which are located in extremely dense civilian centers, I think I'm at least a little justified for being pissed at Israel for blasting the shit out of Palestinian bystanders.
They aren't "so called terrorist targets". They are known Hamas security installations. You really think they were just guessing and only 15 or so civilians appear to be dead?
Either you aren't actually reading any of the reports or your distaste for Israel is leading you to willful ignorance.
or he's a teenager that doesn't get how explosives and war works
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PharezonStruggle is an illusion.Victory is in the Qun.Registered Userregular
but a soldier is an active combatant in an active zone, as you just mentioned
a lady hurrying to the store at the unfortunate time a bomb falls out of the sky is not
anyway i'm not in support of either side, i think it's a horrible conflict and will continue to be a horrible conflict for the forseeable future
you're right
an army should use muffins that only target soldiers and the soldiers don't die they just take a great nap while the other side puts them in non-painful handcuffs
collateral damage is lamentable, but it happens
it happens less when you actually have people making decisions about who's going to die, as in with troops
the international community is probably as much at fault as anyone for tolerating long-range stand-offs and not more direct means of combat
but this falsely-passive 'well they're shooting missiles, so shall we' from israel is fairly atrocious
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ZoelI suppose... I'd put it onRegistered Userregular
These strikes wouldn't have anything to do with the pre-election worries that Obama wouldn't be as supportive of Israel as McCain, would they?
what
one of the various robocalls which was targeted at jewish neighborhoods during the previous election (at least in georgia) was one that warned listeners that Obama would abandon Israel.
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A magician gives you a ring that, when worn, will let you see the world as it truly is.
However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
This is sort of beyond my military knowledge but like
Hasn't Israel kidnapped nazi war criminals from half-way across the globe?
Couldn't they do an assassination here and there in their own back yard once in a while? You never really seem to hear about that sort of thing going on, it's always bombombomb.
Yes. . . 30-60 years ago under the rule of competent leaders.
That's disheartening. Any chance you'll have a shot at people who actually know what the fuck they're doing come the next election cycle?
you need a war for people to learn how to fight
^
The guys sitting on the top now are the silver-spoon children of the rich and previously powerful.
The first thing the Supreme Commander did when he heard about the war-wanabe a few years ago was open his laptop, connect to the internet, and check his stocks.
Israel will only return to itself the day it realizes it does not have the massive resources and training the USA have, and needs to develop/return to tactics fitting its much smaller scale.
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"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity; but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes to make it possible." - T.E. Lawrence
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
but a soldier is an active combatant in an active zone, as you just mentioned
a lady hurrying to the store at the unfortunate time a bomb falls out of the sky is not
anyway i'm not in support of either side, i think it's a horrible conflict and will continue to be a horrible conflict for the forseeable future
you're right
an army should use muffins that only target soldiers and the soldiers don't die they just take a great nap while the other side puts them in non-painful handcuffs
collateral damage is lamentable, but it happens
the international community is probably as much at fault as anyone for tolerating long-range stand-offs and not more direct means of combat
uh
I don't think you've actually read a history book at all
I don't think you've actually read a history book at all
i'm not talking about history, i'm talking about the current palestine-israel stalemate
edit: i think in this situation uniquely the community would not be happy with israel entering the gaza for too long because they would not trust them to leave again
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HarrierThe Star Spangled ManRegistered Userregular
edited December 2008
Paladin, I'm not counting on you to be up-to-the-minute on the nuances of Israeli politics, but do you have any idea how this could affect the elections in... January, was it?
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HacksawJ. Duggan Esq.Wrestler at LawRegistered Userregular
This is sort of beyond my military knowledge but like
Hasn't Israel kidnapped nazi war criminals from half-way across the globe?
Couldn't they do an assassination here and there in their own back yard once in a while? You never really seem to hear about that sort of thing going on, it's always bombombomb.
Yes. . . 30-60 years ago under the rule of competent leaders.
That's disheartening. Any chance you'll have a shot at people who actually know what the fuck they're doing come the next election cycle?
you need a war for people to learn how to fight
Yes, god knows the only place you can learn how to fight is if you pick one. It's not like you could ask people who have been in fights to teach you the proper way to do things. No sir.
@Butters: Be that as it may, the attacks have hit the civilians harder than they've hit Hamas. I don't know about you, but I think that's cause for criticism.
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that said, not like the un is capable of any real action
Just a bunch of dudes celebrating the new years all year every year
accidents happen
because the UN is like that dude who tries to calm down two other dudes are getting ready to brawl each other and then takes off as soon as punches start getting thrown
"or else what?"
"or else we wil be very angry.
and we will write you a letter telling you how angry we are."
oh no
However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
The reason for the raid isn't the latest attacks, its Sderot and Ashkelon.
Since 2001 both cities are bombarded with rockets daily (3-4 on average) while the government is sitting on their fat ass, doing nothing because they didn't get a green light from the USA (to which Israel is a puppet due to it funding most of its military).
Few have died, but both cities are constantly damaged heavily and you cannot stumble into a kid who is not a shakened, shriveled, shell. Recently a massive exodus occurred and both are growing emptier and emptier- at this rate, in a few years, none will live in this area - which is exactly the purpose of this terror attack: to take these cities and reach deeper into the heart of Israel.
Now, either Israel said 'Fuck that' (Highly unlikely, considering the current administration's trademark mix of cowardice and incompetence), the USA stopped caring (most likely), or someone up there gave this whole thing a green light.
When a first world nation starts targeting civilians, it's a different matter. We expect first world nations to behave themselves and not do shit like this, because they're held to a higher standard than that of terrorist organizations. When they start doing the same thing, it's lamentable because they're indulging in the same kind of practices as the organizations they claim to the opposite of.
EDIT: Dang, that does suck, GP. Those people don't deserve that kind of shit.
This is exactly what I've heard from my friend who's over there.
when you design a missile that can target millitary and not hit civilians, alert the media
maybe then they should start thinking about something other than missiles
I'd really rather the Middle East not go into deeper shit with Bush still on deck.
they don't cost you soldiers
Hugs?
Hacksaw, first world nations to do not target civilians. If Israel were targeting civilians a lot more than just a handful would be dead. You are equating collateral damage with terrorist attacks and that's pretty fucking stupid right there.
but a soldier is an active combatant in an active zone, as you just mentioned
a lady hurrying to the store at the unfortunate time a bomb falls out of the sky is not
anyway i'm not in support of either side, i think it's a horrible conflict and will continue to be a horrible conflict for the forseeable future
Hasn't Israel kidnapped nazi war criminals from half-way across the globe?
Couldn't they do an assassination here and there in their own back yard once in a while? You never really seem to hear about that sort of thing going on, it's always bombombomb.
However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
At least not until they get into Total War mode
you're right
an army should use muffins that only target soldiers and the soldiers don't die they just take a great nap while the other side puts them in non-painful handcuffs
collateral damage is lamentable, but it happens
Yes. . . 30-60 years ago under the rule of competent leaders.
yeah, the current leadership is completely incompetent in terms of military operations
you need a war for people to learn how to fight
They aren't "so called terrorist targets". They are known Hamas security installations. You really think they were just guessing and only 15 or so civilians appear to be dead?
Either you aren't actually reading any of the reports or your distaste for Israel is leading you to willful ignorance.
Also Jason Bourne and James Bond aren't actually real.
or he's a teenager that doesn't get how explosives and war works
what
I tried to pretend I didn't see that one.
edit: that's why reading is for suckers.
it happens less when you actually have people making decisions about who's going to die, as in with troops
the international community is probably as much at fault as anyone for tolerating long-range stand-offs and not more direct means of combat
but this falsely-passive 'well they're shooting missiles, so shall we' from israel is fairly atrocious
one of the various robocalls which was targeted at jewish neighborhoods during the previous election (at least in georgia) was one that warned listeners that Obama would abandon Israel.
However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
The guys sitting on the top now are the silver-spoon children of the rich and previously powerful.
The first thing the Supreme Commander did when he heard about the war-wanabe a few years ago was open his laptop, connect to the internet, and check his stocks.
Israel will only return to itself the day it realizes it does not have the massive resources and training the USA have, and needs to develop/return to tactics fitting its much smaller scale.
uh
I don't think you've actually read a history book at all
i'm not talking about history, i'm talking about the current palestine-israel stalemate
edit: i think in this situation uniquely the community would not be happy with israel entering the gaza for too long because they would not trust them to leave again
@Butters: Be that as it may, the attacks have hit the civilians harder than they've hit Hamas. I don't know about you, but I think that's cause for criticism.