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Belgians are kind of industrial and precise like Germans, but with good taste for fine foods like the French. They're laid back too, that must be the Dutch influence.
Still, no need to be its own country. Love the waffles though.
Belgians are kind of industrial and precise like Germans, but with good taste for fine foods like the French. They're laid back too, that must be the Dutch influence.
Still, no need to be its own country. Love the waffles though.
And they gave us Jean Claude Van Damme so it's important to remember that the Belgians do have drawbacks.
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Belgians are kind of industrial and precise like Germans, but with good taste for fine foods like the French. They're laid back too, that must be the Dutch influence.
Still, no need to be its own country. Love the waffles though.
And they gave us Jean Claude Van Damme so it's important to remember that the Belgians do have drawbacks.
yes but we have steven seagal so really, it balances out.
So Israel banned Arabs from government more or less
Less.
They have barred specific Arab Parties from participating in the election. This has no affect on Arab member of other parties.
It is still something that Israel shouldn't have done, but don't pretend it's anything other than a political move.
Oh ok so only those with views that don't match the Jewish mainstream are banned
Israel is no longer a democracy
What is the Jewish mainstream?
You are aware that Israel is an EXTREMELY secular country, right?
I agree that this was the wrong thing for Israel to do, and hopefully the Israeli Supreme Court will overturn it, but let's not be intellectually dishonest here.
Belgians are kind of industrial and precise like Germans, but with good taste for fine foods like the French. They're laid back too, that must be the Dutch influence.
Still, no need to be its own country. Love the waffles though.
And they gave us Jean Claude Van Damme so it's important to remember that the Belgians do have drawbacks.
Bloodsport = good movie
Kickboxer = OK, and the glass on the hands was cool
Time Cop = enjoyable
OK, everything else was iffy. Still, Bloodsport was good times.
So Israel banned Arabs from government more or less
Less.
They have barred specific Arab Parties from participating in the election. This has no affect on Arab member of other parties.
It is still something that Israel shouldn't have done, but don't pretend it's anything other than a political move.
Oh ok so only those with views that don't match the Jewish mainstream are banned
Israel is no longer a democracy
Look, it is possible to make a political party that is against the law. For instance, if that party has as its main tenets the abolishment of democracy or reunification of church and state, it will most likely be illegal. This is just a general example, but it illustrates that a country can make political parties illegal and still be democratic. Frankly, every democratic nation should have a list of no-nos for political parties.
A specific example is Germany's banning of Nazi parties.
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Just to reitterate, while I absolutely agree that it is a slight to the democratic process, and hopefully it will be overturned, we are talking about 2 specific parties being barred from the election, not some kind of law against Arabs running for parliment, or anything like that.
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So Israel banned Arabs from government more or less
Less.
They have barred specific Arab Parties from participating in the election. This has no affect on Arab member of other parties.
It is still something that Israel shouldn't have done, but don't pretend it's anything other than a political move.
Oh ok so only those with views that don't match the Jewish mainstream are banned
Israel is no longer a democracy
Look, it is possible to make a political party that is against the law. For instance, if that party has as its main tenets the abolishment of democracy or reunification of church and state, it will most likely be illegal. This is just a general example, but it illustrates that a country can make political parties illegal and still be democratic. Frankly, every democratic nation should have a list of no-nos for political parties.
A specific example is Germany's banning of Nazi parties.
I disagree. I think that any party should have a right to exist, no matter how ludicrous. If they support something that is against the law, and the people support them, then they will get that law changed.
Personally, I am of the belief that Germany's anti-Nazi law PROMOTES anti-semitism, because it makes people ask "why are Jews so special?"
The one exception I'd make is an organization that actively promotes violence or other illegal/harmful behavior.
So Israel banned Arabs from government more or less
Less.
They have barred specific Arab Parties from participating in the election. This has no affect on Arab member of other parties.
It is still something that Israel shouldn't have done, but don't pretend it's anything other than a political move.
Oh ok so only those with views that don't match the Jewish mainstream are banned
Israel is no longer a democracy
Look, it is possible to make a political party that is against the law. For instance, if that party has as its main tenets the abolishment of democracy or reunification of church and state, it will most likely be illegal. This is just a general example, but it illustrates that a country can make political parties illegal and still be democratic. Frankly, every democratic nation should have a list of no-nos for political parties.
A specific example is Germany's banning of Nazi parties.
I disagree. I think that any party should have a right to exist, no matter how ludicrous. If they support something that is against the law, and the people support them, then they will get that law changed.
Personally, I am of the belief that Germany's anti-Nazi law PROMOTES anti-semitism, because it makes people ask "why are Jews so special?"
The one exception I'd make is an organization that actively promotes violence or other illegal/harmful behavior.
But it's okay to have a party that wants to kill off the jews?
So Israel banned Arabs from government more or less
Less.
They have barred specific Arab Parties from participating in the election. This has no affect on Arab member of other parties.
It is still something that Israel shouldn't have done, but don't pretend it's anything other than a political move.
Oh ok so only those with views that don't match the Jewish mainstream are banned
Israel is no longer a democracy
Look, it is possible to make a political party that is against the law. For instance, if that party has as its main tenets the abolishment of democracy or reunification of church and state, it will most likely be illegal. This is just a general example, but it illustrates that a country can make political parties illegal and still be democratic. Frankly, every democratic nation should have a list of no-nos for political parties.
A specific example is Germany's banning of Nazi parties.
I disagree. I think that any party should have a right to exist, no matter how ludicrous. If they support something that is against the law, and the people support them, then they will get that law changed.
Personally, I am of the belief that Germany's anti-Nazi law PROMOTES anti-semitism, because it makes people ask "why are Jews so special?"
The one exception I'd make is an organization that actively promotes violence or other illegal/harmful behavior.
But it's okay to have a party that wants to kill off the jews?
The US has one that wants to kill all non-whites, and we've managed to not turn into a brutal dictatorship.
Granted, a government has to be extremely light on what kinds of political expression are outlawed, but a group of people with the stated purpose of attempting to execute all people of a certain race, religion, or creed within the country is not a political party that should be allowed to exist.
So Israel banned Arabs from government more or less
Less.
They have barred specific Arab Parties from participating in the election. This has no affect on Arab member of other parties.
It is still something that Israel shouldn't have done, but don't pretend it's anything other than a political move.
Oh ok so only those with views that don't match the Jewish mainstream are banned
Israel is no longer a democracy
Look, it is possible to make a political party that is against the law. For instance, if that party has as its main tenets the abolishment of democracy or reunification of church and state, it will most likely be illegal. This is just a general example, but it illustrates that a country can make political parties illegal and still be democratic. Frankly, every democratic nation should have a list of no-nos for political parties.
A specific example is Germany's banning of Nazi parties.
I disagree. I think that any party should have a right to exist, no matter how ludicrous. If they support something that is against the law, and the people support them, then they will get that law changed.
Personally, I am of the belief that Germany's anti-Nazi law PROMOTES anti-semitism, because it makes people ask "why are Jews so special?"
The one exception I'd make is an organization that actively promotes violence or other illegal/harmful behavior.
But it's okay to have a party that wants to kill off the jews?
The US has one that wants to kill all non-whites, and we've managed to not turn into a brutal dictatorship.
Was really pointing out that he was saying one thing and then turned around and said the complete opposite.
Granted, a government has to be extremely light on what kinds of political expression are outlawed, but a group of people with the stated purpose of attempting to execute all people of a certain race, religion, or creed within the country is not a political party that should be allowed to exist.
The Nazi party didn't run on a platform of "kill everyone", that grew out of it later.
I think that outlawing it was a necesary step for germany to draw a line in the sand after WWII, but I think that arresting a dude for teaching his dog to Heil Hitler in this particular day and age does not help anyone.
If you give some one the authority to censor ideas, you have lost your place as a free society.
Censorship is only okay when it comes to so called "fighting words", which will directly lead to harm if allowed to go unchecked. (shouting "fire" in a crowded theatre, etc.)
I agree with Evander. If you make ideas illegal it implies that people are stupid and are vulnerable to whatever idea comes to the surface. It turns the government into a babysitter of the people instead of a tool of the people. You don't get the trust of the people if you don't trust them to make the right decision.
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Still, no need to be its own country. Love the waffles though.
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Plus the Belgian people are awesome and very friendly. It was easily my favorite country when I went to Europe.
One day I will return to Ypres.
And they gave us Jean Claude Van Damme so it's important to remember that the Belgians do have drawbacks.
What are you saying about mr van damme
What is the Jewish mainstream?
You are aware that Israel is an EXTREMELY secular country, right?
I agree that this was the wrong thing for Israel to do, and hopefully the Israeli Supreme Court will overturn it, but let's not be intellectually dishonest here.
He can't act that well and it tends to reduce the enjoyment one gets out of certain flicks.
To Mysst, yes, there is that.
Bloodsport = good movie
Kickboxer = OK, and the glass on the hands was cool
Time Cop = enjoyable
OK, everything else was iffy. Still, Bloodsport was good times.
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Haven't you ever seen leggionaire you buttsucker
Look, it is possible to make a political party that is against the law. For instance, if that party has as its main tenets the abolishment of democracy or reunification of church and state, it will most likely be illegal. This is just a general example, but it illustrates that a country can make political parties illegal and still be democratic. Frankly, every democratic nation should have a list of no-nos for political parties.
A specific example is Germany's banning of Nazi parties.
Yeah, but Street Fighter: The Movie ruined all the good karma he had.
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I thought Universal Soldier was okay.
Fandy edit: No, I haven't seen Legionnaire, you farteater.
I never really cared for that movie, and the shitty sequel really destroyed it IMO.
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I reminded me of some of the graphic novels of the time; wait, there was a sequel? o_O I must hie to IMDB.
i thought double impact was great. twice the muscles for the same price
can't get enough of him in neon pink tights
I disagree. I think that any party should have a right to exist, no matter how ludicrous. If they support something that is against the law, and the people support them, then they will get that law changed.
Personally, I am of the belief that Germany's anti-Nazi law PROMOTES anti-semitism, because it makes people ask "why are Jews so special?"
The one exception I'd make is an organization that actively promotes violence or other illegal/harmful behavior.
"And now we go to Anne who is in DC poking anti-gay protesters with a stick."
But it's okay to have a party that wants to kill off the jews?
The US has one that wants to kill all non-whites, and we've managed to not turn into a brutal dictatorship.
Which was the movie with him and Dennis Rodman?
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Granted, a government has to be extremely light on what kinds of political expression are outlawed, but a group of people with the stated purpose of attempting to execute all people of a certain race, religion, or creed within the country is not a political party that should be allowed to exist.
If they have a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected, sure, why not?
If they are actually going to incite real violence, and people will get hurt, that is what I meant by an exception to the rule.
Was really pointing out that he was saying one thing and then turned around and said the complete opposite.
The Nazi party didn't run on a platform of "kill everyone", that grew out of it later.
I think that outlawing it was a necesary step for germany to draw a line in the sand after WWII, but I think that arresting a dude for teaching his dog to Heil Hitler in this particular day and age does not help anyone.
Because allowing them to exist allows them to gain influence, that's why.
Bad ideas are like cancer. There is no acceptable amount of influence they can be allowed to exert.
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i thought it was Simon Sez at first, but that was the one with dennis rodman and douchebag dane cook
playing thought police is a slippery slope that I do not want to sidle along
you have to draw the line a little further out than "hating on some one" otherwise you're creating a system that is far too easy to abuse.
I like this analogy.
Censorship is only okay when it comes to so called "fighting words", which will directly lead to harm if allowed to go unchecked. (shouting "fire" in a crowded theatre, etc.)
You can't silence an idea by making it illegal. Making it illegal just makes matyrs who shout it louder.
You fight bad ideas with education.
And bullets.
Bullets are bad.
Bullets killing wrong people bad.
ie, civilians!
the same goes for explosives.