I've already clarified that my statement is what I have heard. I am perfectly willing to accept that I am in error. My point was that I do not automatically question journalism when it reports something that seems to confirm a trend that has been evident for all of human history. Don't be fucking dense. When someone says "A group of known assholes did something stupid" I don't go to the fucking college library to investigate because it's already been well-established that assholes do stupid shit. Investigations are for when you plan on ACTING on something, or when something is unusual.
I'm sorry man but baby raping doesn't fall into the non unusual list unless you do actually have a massive bias.
And even then.
Baby-raping has been confirmed, unless you don't trust the BBC in which case shit man, I don't have time to look through JSTOR. Christian groups are widely-reported to make shit up about sexuality and disease, see: Abstinance-Only Education in America. It is not a huge leap of faith I'm making here.
Nobody's denying that baby-rape happened. I just have trouble believing that it's an epidemic, or that it happens for the superstitious reasons specified in the article.
I myself have heard that child sex abuse occurs at high rates not because virgins are seen as magical, but rather because their youth is believed to be a guarantee that they are free of disease.
These are some pretty bizarre logical leaps you're making Incenjucar. That article makes only the tiniest mention of Witch Doctors and absolutely zero mention of Christianity.
Religious bullshit causes enough harm that I don't bother to investigate every specific instance of it, I'm sorry if my having a life offends you.
Really? This works now? In a thread in which we debate stuff? Fine.
I heard incenjucar is a baby rapist and has the IQ of a dying frog, and he eats puppies. See, I dont have to support these statements with facts, because they are facts, and im not gonna bother to investigate facts about a baby rapist. Especially not a stupid one that eats puppies.
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Hey Cat!
You know, I was planning to make a post in this thread, but it's already descended into ridiculously petty nonsense.
At least when this stuff goes down in SE++ it's usually funny.
I'm sorry man but baby raping doesn't fall into the non unusual list unless you do actually have a massive bias.
And even then.
Baby-raping has been confirmed, unless you don't trust the BBC in which case shit man, I don't have time to look through JSTOR. Christian groups are widely-reported to make shit up about sexuality and disease, see: Abstinance-Only Education in America. It is not a huge leap of faith I'm making here.
Hey, just because a religious group does stupid things doesn't mean they do EVERYTHING THEY ARE ACCUSED OF DOING.
If you don't have enough time in your amazing life to not research every single news story fine, but accepting everything said about them is just poor critical thinking.
These are some pretty bizarre logical leaps you're making Incenjucar. That article makes only the tiniest mention of Witch Doctors and absolutely zero mention of Christianity.
Looking through the articles I'm finding (which almost all seem to have been in 2001-2002), it looks like it was blamed on the government spreading myths about HIV. I'm pretty sure I heard about it in 2006 or 2007, but as it stands, I have no evidence to back up that particular point, and I need to get to bed more than I give a damn, so I'll drop it.
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Either way, bullshit has a long history of causing people harm. I am unaware of anything of significant value to the native Africans that could be gained by intentionally deluding them.
Nobody's denying that baby-rape happened. I just have trouble believing that it's an epidemic, or that it happens for the superstitious reasons specified in the article.
I myself have heard that child sex abuse occurs at high rates not because virgins are seen as magical, but rather because their youth is believed to be a guarantee that they are free of disease.
I'm sorry man but baby raping doesn't fall into the non unusual list unless you do actually have a massive bias.
And even then.
Baby-raping has been confirmed, unless you don't trust the BBC in which case shit man, I don't have time to look through JSTOR. Christian groups are widely-reported to make shit up about sexuality and disease, see: Abstinance-Only Education in America. It is not a huge leap of faith I'm making here.
Hey, just because a religious group does stupid things doesn't mean they do EVERYTHING THEY ARE ACCUSED OF DOING.
If you don't have enough time in your amazing life to not research every single news story fine, but accepting everything said about them is just poor critical thinking.
I like this because it says my point without any confusion.
So I second this and it is what I'm trying to say.
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The articles clearly state that there is a pre-existing myth about cleansing via virgins.
The trigger to utilizing the myth is the shitty information being fed to them by non-native groups, whether it's missionaries or the government or whatever.
It's not that fucking hard.
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I've already stated that Usually X does not mean Always X. We are not in disagreement there. I just disagree with you on when something is unusual enough to warrant investigation. Happens when you've read about enough stupid shit inspired by various faiths. I'm just more used to religion leading to horrible or stupid things than the rest of you are.
I'm sorry man but baby raping doesn't fall into the non unusual list unless you do actually have a massive bias.
And even then.
Baby-raping has been confirmed, unless you don't trust the BBC in which case shit man, I don't have time to look through JSTOR. Christian groups are widely-reported to make shit up about sexuality and disease, see: Abstinance-Only Education in America. It is not a huge leap of faith I'm making here.
Hey, just because a religious group does stupid things doesn't mean they do EVERYTHING THEY ARE ACCUSED OF DOING.
If you don't have enough time in your amazing life to not research every single news story fine, but accepting everything said about them is just poor critical thinking.
I like this because it says my point without any confusion.
So I second this and it is what I'm trying to say.
In principle you're right, but not in this case
although frankly I place the bush government as being solely responsible for allowing this shit to proliferate by only funding charities who are anti-abortion (and usually anti BC, and therefore anti-facts-about-sex).
The Catholic Church's ban on condom use has proven just awesome in Africa.
Because we all know every African is well-educated, not to mention well-fed. If they don't use condoms, it's the Pope's fault - after all, sex education, and HIV prevention, is discussed very openly in Nigeria and South Africa.
The Catholic Church's ban on condom use has proven just awesome in Africa.
Because we all know every African is well-educated, not to mention well-fed. If they don't use condoms, it's the Pope's fault - after all, sex education, and HIV prevention, is discussed very openly in Nigeria and South Africa.
Hey I may not blame the church for the baby-raping but their fear mongering and anti-sex education rhetoric does NOTHING to help the situation, which is supposedly the reason they are there.
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Virginity is a christian myth? Most arabic religions value it, as do many other cultures. I hardly think it's a specifically christian value.
That's what I meant by stretching to make it fit. The assumption is that the virginity value came from missionaries. It was the whole reason I found it stupid.
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Oh right those guys. They're definitely not to be called scientists. Also murdering them would be considered natural justice.
If nothing else, Duesberg is a good argument for the people who want to end academic tenure. I'm not for it, but he's one of those cases that give me pause.
Also, by publishing Inventing the Aids Virus, Regnery Publishing once again places itself at the center of all that's evil and stupid in this country.
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Virginity is a christian myth? Most arabic religions value it, as do many other cultures. I hardly think it's a specifically christian value.
Hey no one's dissing virginity. It's the whole 'abstinence is the only way' bullshit. The Catholic Church has the benefit of access to the the best medical information in the world, and many in Africa don't. It is irresponsible for the church to omit that kind of information if their core purpose of being there is to help.
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The articles clearly state that there is a pre-existing myth about cleansing via virgins.
The trigger to utilizing the myth is the shitty information being fed to them by non-native groups, whether it's missionaries or the government or whatever.
It's not that fucking hard.
o_O Right back at you.
The only lynchpin of your argument is that the missionaries helped to create the myth of cleansing by spreading shit about sexuality.
Only you aren't being consistent with this.
This is the only lynchpin if you take it away that article has no mention of christianity.
Other than your tv show you saw once.
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The Catholic Church's ban on condom use has proven just awesome in Africa.
Because we all know every African is well-educated, not to mention well-fed. If they don't use condoms, it's the Pope's fault - after all, sex education, and HIV prevention, is discussed very openly in Nigeria and South Africa.
Hey I may not blame the church for the baby-raping but their fear mongering and anti-sex education rhetoric does NOTHING to help the situation, which is supposedly the reason they are there.
You're seriously, SERIOUSLY, overstating the capabilities of the Catholic Church to impose its sexual code on people.
They do nothing to help, nor to hinder the situation. The situation in point being a complete clusterfuck the likes of which most people in the 1st world can't begin to conceptualize. You have no food, no school, no basic health care, and you're going to worry about condoms?
That's what I meant by stretching to make it fit. The assumption is that the virginity value came from missionaries. It was the whole reason I found it stupid.
You found it stupid because you misunderstood my statement? :P I never claimed the virginity myth came from the missionaries, I was simply under the impression that they spread bad information, leading the locals to go back to their own sources of bad information. It seems I may have made a mistake as to the origin of that return to local myths, but I never claimed there was a cleansing myth from the missionaries - I'm not aware of any such.
And stop being so patronizing to the Africans, Incenjucar. You're making them sound like Tarzan savages who'll listen to whatever perverse crap the government or missionaries will tell them - they're human beings, they're perfectly capable of making their own perverse crap.
That's what I meant by stretching to make it fit. The assumption is that the virginity value came from missionaries. It was the whole reason I found it stupid.
You found it stupid because you misunderstood my statement? :P I never claimed the virginity myth came from the missionaries, I was simply under the impression that they spread bad information, leading the locals to go back to their own sources of bad information. It seems I may have made a mistake as to the origin of that return to local myths, but I never claimed there was a cleansing myth from the missionaries - I'm not aware of any such.
It's hard to understand you when you start with BABY RAPING and then people have to pry qualifying information out of you with a crowbar.
But whatever. I guess we are done.
(I still find it stupid you just assumed that though.)
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I think Incenjucar is referring to the myth that having sex with a virgin will cure you of your STD's?
Yes.
Which originates in the native culture.
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As such, beyond the simple "Christianity" issue, Africa needs more access to things which can be backed up. Whether missionaries or faux scientists, Africa seems to be suffering from an extra large dose of misinformation. Next they'll get libertarians. :P
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The Catholic Church's ban on condom use has proven just awesome in Africa.
Because we all know every African is well-educated, not to mention well-fed. If they don't use condoms, it's the Pope's fault - after all, sex education, and HIV prevention, is discussed very openly in Nigeria and South Africa.
Hey I may not blame the church for the baby-raping but their fear mongering and anti-sex education rhetoric does NOTHING to help the situation, which is supposedly the reason they are there.
You're seriously, SERIOUSLY, overstating the capabilities of the Catholic Church to impose its sexual code on people.
They do nothing to help, nor to hinder the situation. The situation in point being a complete clusterfuck the likes of which most people in the 1st world can't begin to conceptualize. You have no food, no school, no basic health care, and you're going to worry about condoms?
And I think you are seriously underestimating the importance of faith and the teachings of the catholic church in many countries. We're not talking about missionaries converting the heathens here, but the large swathes of the population who are extremely religious and are at church every sunday listening to the priest tell them why using a condom is against their faith. (seriously, I allegedly live in a 'Christian' country, and there is nothing here like you find in, for example, Rwanda, when it comes to church attendance and very seriously following the interpretation of the bible given to you from the pulpit).
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The Catholic Church's ban on condom use has proven just awesome in Africa.
Because we all know every African is well-educated, not to mention well-fed. If they don't use condoms, it's the Pope's fault - after all, sex education, and HIV prevention, is discussed very openly in Nigeria and South Africa.
Hey I may not blame the church for the baby-raping but their fear mongering and anti-sex education rhetoric does NOTHING to help the situation, which is supposedly the reason they are there.
You're seriously, SERIOUSLY, overstating the capabilities of the Catholic Church to impose its sexual code on people.
They do nothing to help, nor to hinder the situation. The situation in point being a complete clusterfuck the likes of which most people in the 1st world can't begin to conceptualize. You have no food, no school, no basic health care, and you're going to worry about condoms?
Hey part of the great Christian aid to Africa is supposed to be education right?
You'd think in a continent with a major AIDS problem they'd try to do something to help people.
But yeah I can see how AIDS would be lower in priority than making sure the African people believe in the right sky fairy.
The Catholic Church's ban on condom use has proven just awesome in Africa.
Because we all know every African is well-educated, not to mention well-fed. If they don't use condoms, it's the Pope's fault - after all, sex education, and HIV prevention, is discussed very openly in Nigeria and South Africa.
Hey I may not blame the church for the baby-raping but their fear mongering and anti-sex education rhetoric does NOTHING to help the situation, which is supposedly the reason they are there.
You're seriously, SERIOUSLY, overstating the capabilities of the Catholic Church to impose its sexual code on people.
I think you are underestimating it, if for no other reason than it is an alternative voice which is contradicting correct messages. They are clearly doing harm with their anti-condom message, though the exact magnitude is hard to measure.
They do nothing to help, nor to hinder the situation. The situation in point being a complete clusterfuck the likes of which most people in the 1st world can't begin to conceptualize. You have no food, no school, no basic health care, and you're going to worry about condoms?
Yes, because condom use dramatically reduces the spread of the AIDS virus? Condoms are an important step to an Africa with a high quality of life, even if they are one of many.
And I think you are seriously underestimating the importance of faith and the teachings of the catholic church in many countries. We're not talking about missionaries converting the heathens here, but the large swathes of the population who are extremely religious and are at church every sunday listening to the priest tell them why using a condom is against their faith. (seriously, I allegedly live in a 'Christian' country, and there is nothing here like you find in, for example, Rwanda, when it comes to church attendance and very seriously following the interpretation of the bible given to you from the pulpit).
I don't think there's any argument that the various churches are not helping things in Africa.
How many foreign aid groups actually offer condoms though? I doubt the majority of the christian groups are doing so. Even if people were worried about condoms/STDs/etc, how many would actually have access?
Also, the church must have some power if they are preventing organizations from AIDS testing. I don't know how far the distribution of the "condoms give you AIDS" message will go.
They do nothing to help, nor to hinder the situation. The situation in point being a complete clusterfuck the likes of which most people in the 1st world can't begin to conceptualize. You have no food, no school, no basic health care, and you're going to worry about condoms?
I don't think the discussion is helped by this kind of stuff. Outside a few major trouble zones, 'Africa' is pretty fucking diverse and not at all like you're painting it above. Its not super happy fun times, but IIRC the worst conditions globally for humans (shortest life expectancy, lowest GDP, lowest literacy rate, etc) are actually in a few south-east asian countries.
And that completely discounts rural/urban and other demographic disparities which actually place some parts of highly developed nations on par with the worst the developing world has to offer.
How many foreign aid groups actually offer condoms though? I doubt the majority of the christian groups are doing so. Even if people were worried about condoms/STDs/etc, how many would actually have access?
Millions of people have cell phones in Africa. South Africa is a prosperous nation with a nearly First World economy. Things are bad in Africa, but not so bad that people couldn't have access to little pieces of rubber, if they wanted them.
Generally speaking, when people speak of a region they're speaking of the region that gets presented by Hollywood.
Yeah, you know what, these posts are neither informative nor useful, and the sneering tone just makes me want to hit you with a stick until you decide to contribute something interesting.
t wishda: access actually isn't as easy as you'd think in many areas, and a compounding problem is the really really regressive gender roles which religious charities just frankly love to death. Women in developed countries often aren't in a sufficiently powerful position within their relationships to be able to control their own sexual activity or reproductive rate; things are a million times worse for them in rural Nigeria.
I'm pretty sure that Africa, Hollywood is composed entirely of huts and dudes with spears.
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When people are talking about missionaries in Africa they're rarely assuming these missionaries are meeting by a skatepark in the shadow of a skyscraper.
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Baby-raping has been confirmed, unless you don't trust the BBC in which case shit man, I don't have time to look through JSTOR. Christian groups are widely-reported to make shit up about sexuality and disease, see: Abstinance-Only Education in America. It is not a huge leap of faith I'm making here.
I myself have heard that child sex abuse occurs at high rates not because virgins are seen as magical, but rather because their youth is believed to be a guarantee that they are free of disease.
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Hey Cat!
You know, I was planning to make a post in this thread, but it's already descended into ridiculously petty nonsense.
At least when this stuff goes down in SE++ it's usually funny.
Poor information about reproduction doesn't translate to baby rape. It's a pacific ocean sized leap of faith you're making.
Hey, just because a religious group does stupid things doesn't mean they do EVERYTHING THEY ARE ACCUSED OF DOING.
If you don't have enough time in your amazing life to not research every single news story fine, but accepting everything said about them is just poor critical thinking.
Looking through the articles I'm finding (which almost all seem to have been in 2001-2002), it looks like it was blamed on the government spreading myths about HIV. I'm pretty sure I heard about it in 2006 or 2007, but as it stands, I have no evidence to back up that particular point, and I need to get to bed more than I give a damn, so I'll drop it.
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Either way, bullshit has a long history of causing people harm. I am unaware of anything of significant value to the native Africans that could be gained by intentionally deluding them.
The police say there have been 21,000 cases of child rape or assault reported in the past year, mostly committed by male relatives of the victims.
The figure had risen sharply in the past 10 years, they added.
The Northern Cape minister of health, Dipuo Peters, said: "I suspect that at least part of the reason these children were raped is because of the myth held in rural areas by men with HIV that they can cleanse themselves by having sex with a virgin.
"I do a lot of Aids education; this myth is firmly entrenched and we are doing our best to dispel it."
My logic leap was Native Bad Information+Foreign Bad Information=Bad Decisions. So.
People not knowing how aids work + Religious teachings = baby rape?
Really?
Edit: If thats not what you're saying, say so. Its late and my reading comprehension may be subpar.
I like this because it says my point without any confusion.
So I second this and it is what I'm trying to say.
The articles clearly state that there is a pre-existing myth about cleansing via virgins.
The trigger to utilizing the myth is the shitty information being fed to them by non-native groups, whether it's missionaries or the government or whatever.
It's not that fucking hard.
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I've already stated that Usually X does not mean Always X. We are not in disagreement there. I just disagree with you on when something is unusual enough to warrant investigation. Happens when you've read about enough stupid shit inspired by various faiths. I'm just more used to religion leading to horrible or stupid things than the rest of you are.
although frankly I place the bush government as being solely responsible for allowing this shit to proliferate by only funding charities who are anti-abortion (and usually anti BC, and therefore anti-facts-about-sex).
Because we all know every African is well-educated, not to mention well-fed. If they don't use condoms, it's the Pope's fault - after all, sex education, and HIV prevention, is discussed very openly in Nigeria and South Africa.
The Aids policies of former president Thabo Mbeki's government were directly responsible for the avoidable deaths of a third of a million people in South Africa, according to research from Harvard University.
South Africa has one of the most severe HIV/Aids epidemics in the world. About 5.5 million people, or 18.8% of the adult population, have HIV, according to the UN. In 2005 there were 900 deaths a day.
But from the late 90s Mbeki turned his back on the scientific consensus that Aids was caused by a viral infection which could be combated, though not cured, by sophisticated and expensive drugs. He came under the influence of maverick scientists known as Aids-denialists, most prominent among whom was Peter Duesberg from Berkeley, California.
Hey I may not blame the church for the baby-raping but their fear mongering and anti-sex education rhetoric does NOTHING to help the situation, which is supposedly the reason they are there.
That's what I meant by stretching to make it fit. The assumption is that the virginity value came from missionaries. It was the whole reason I found it stupid.
o_O
Who is saying that, especially after the articles talking about native African virginity myths?
If nothing else, Duesberg is a good argument for the people who want to end academic tenure. I'm not for it, but he's one of those cases that give me pause.
Also, by publishing Inventing the Aids Virus, Regnery Publishing once again places itself at the center of all that's evil and stupid in this country.
Hey no one's dissing virginity. It's the whole 'abstinence is the only way' bullshit. The Catholic Church has the benefit of access to the the best medical information in the world, and many in Africa don't. It is irresponsible for the church to omit that kind of information if their core purpose of being there is to help.
o_O Right back at you.
The only lynchpin of your argument is that the missionaries helped to create the myth of cleansing by spreading shit about sexuality.
Only you aren't being consistent with this.
This is the only lynchpin if you take it away that article has no mention of christianity.
Other than your tv show you saw once.
You're seriously, SERIOUSLY, overstating the capabilities of the Catholic Church to impose its sexual code on people.
They do nothing to help, nor to hinder the situation. The situation in point being a complete clusterfuck the likes of which most people in the 1st world can't begin to conceptualize. You have no food, no school, no basic health care, and you're going to worry about condoms?
You found it stupid because you misunderstood my statement? :P I never claimed the virginity myth came from the missionaries, I was simply under the impression that they spread bad information, leading the locals to go back to their own sources of bad information. It seems I may have made a mistake as to the origin of that return to local myths, but I never claimed there was a cleansing myth from the missionaries - I'm not aware of any such.
Edit: Damn I was slow.
It's hard to understand you when you start with BABY RAPING and then people have to pry qualifying information out of you with a crowbar.
But whatever. I guess we are done.
(I still find it stupid you just assumed that though.)
Yes.
Which originates in the native culture.
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As such, beyond the simple "Christianity" issue, Africa needs more access to things which can be backed up. Whether missionaries or faux scientists, Africa seems to be suffering from an extra large dose of misinformation. Next they'll get libertarians. :P
And I think you are seriously underestimating the importance of faith and the teachings of the catholic church in many countries. We're not talking about missionaries converting the heathens here, but the large swathes of the population who are extremely religious and are at church every sunday listening to the priest tell them why using a condom is against their faith. (seriously, I allegedly live in a 'Christian' country, and there is nothing here like you find in, for example, Rwanda, when it comes to church attendance and very seriously following the interpretation of the bible given to you from the pulpit).
Hey part of the great Christian aid to Africa is supposed to be education right?
You'd think in a continent with a major AIDS problem they'd try to do something to help people.
But yeah I can see how AIDS would be lower in priority than making sure the African people believe in the right sky fairy.
I think you are underestimating it, if for no other reason than it is an alternative voice which is contradicting correct messages. They are clearly doing harm with their anti-condom message, though the exact magnitude is hard to measure.
Yes, because condom use dramatically reduces the spread of the AIDS virus? Condoms are an important step to an Africa with a high quality of life, even if they are one of many.
I don't think there's any argument that the various churches are not helping things in Africa.
The programme includes a Catholic nun advising her HIV-infected choir master not to use condoms with his wife because "the virus can pass through".
The Archbishop of Nairobi Raphael Ndingi Nzeki told Panaroma that condoms were helping to spread the virus.
"Aids...has grown so fast because of the availability of condoms," he said.
In Kenya, one in five people are HIV positive.
Gordon Wambi, director of an Aids testing programme in Lwak, near Lake Victoria, told the programme that he could not distribute condoms because of opposition from the Catholic Church.
"Some priests have even been saying that condoms are laced with HIV/Aids," he said.
According to Panaroma, the claims about condoms are repeated by Catholics as far apart as Asia and Latin America.
Also, the church must have some power if they are preventing organizations from AIDS testing. I don't know how far the distribution of the "condoms give you AIDS" message will go.
And that completely discounts rural/urban and other demographic disparities which actually place some parts of highly developed nations on par with the worst the developing world has to offer.
Millions of people have cell phones in Africa. South Africa is a prosperous nation with a nearly First World economy. Things are bad in Africa, but not so bad that people couldn't have access to little pieces of rubber, if they wanted them.
Deserts yes cities no.
t wishda: access actually isn't as easy as you'd think in many areas, and a compounding problem is the really really regressive gender roles which religious charities just frankly love to death. Women in developed countries often aren't in a sufficiently powerful position within their relationships to be able to control their own sexual activity or reproductive rate; things are a million times worse for them in rural Nigeria.
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When people are talking about missionaries in Africa they're rarely assuming these missionaries are meeting by a skatepark in the shadow of a skyscraper.
tl;dr I was agreeing with you.