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The Case of the Thieving Roommate

DVGDVG No. 1 Honor StudentNether Institute, Evil AcademyRegistered User regular
edited January 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
The short of it is: My Roommate stole a check out of my checkbook and wrote herself an account-busting check last week. When confronted by the police officer taking the report, she confirmed it was her signature and her account the check was deposited to (in addition to it being her handwriting the check was in, which was not at all consistent with my own).

We are both on a lease here until April. I obviously don't want to stay in the same place as her for four more months. The short term solution was to install a keyed lock on my bedroom door and move everything I own into there. My plan is to arrange a conversation with her, each of us with a witness of choice to keep things honest, and ask her to split the cost of breaking the lease ($2,000) and go our separate ways (in exchange for me not pressing charges personally, to say nothing of what the bank may do).

So at this point, I could use any information anyone might have about dealing with a similar situation and what I might need to do to resolve this as peacefully as possible and guarding myself against any troubles she might try to cause for me.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Press charges. Speak to your landlord and offer to help look for new tenants. You may or may not be able to break your lease depending on the laws in your area.

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I'd press charges.

    You shouldn't have to worry too much about her making trouble as she's already admitted to theft and forgery.

    They'll probably believe you over her at this point.

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    Lord YodLord Yod Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    There may be a clause in your lease to compel her to leave based on her activity. Additionally, some states have laws enabling you to get your roommate evicted for that sort of thing. Not sure about that in Ohio, but it might be worth checking out.

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    JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Press the charges unless she pays the WHOLE thing and any costs associated with the bounced check. In addition to being a felon, this person has just fucked up your credit and there's a high likelyhood your bank and the person she wrote the check to are all going to be prize assholes about it.

    You're probably only going to get your money one of two ways - restitution from your case against her or all upfront to avoid you pressing that case.

    Also, I don't know what your rent is but obviously if it's less than or around 500 bucks you should consider just evicting her and staying there. Also, since your current roommate is a felon, any given random from craigslist might actually be an improvement in your unique case.

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Agreed on the pressing charges front.

    it may seem easier to avoid doing it, but it will be worse in the long run.

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    DVGDVG No. 1 Honor Student Nether Institute, Evil AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Actually, the bank was great. After I filed an Affidavit stating the check was stolen they credited me back the money she stole, and refunded the money from the stop payment on a second check that was missing but wasn't cashed yet.

    Obviously the bank will go after her to get the money back.

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    SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2008
    Press charges and take her to small claims court for violating the lease. She certainly can't stay there now that she's stolen from you, she's violated her lease, sue her for the remainder of the lease.

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    Lord MaloryLord Malory Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I agree with pressing charges.

    But also could you clarify....is she charged with stuff by the police as well? Did she go to jail? I mean, she admitted stealing. Also, I'm curious. WHY DID SHE DO THAT? Is she just crazy? Was it for Drugs? I know its a bit tangential, but its not like some random person, its someone who you live with. Did she think you wouldn't notice?

    This really blows my mind. I thought the thread was going to be about material property, or jewelry, or some crap they might sell. But a check? Wow.

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    DVGDVG No. 1 Honor Student Nether Institute, Evil AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Also: I met with the lease manager at the apartment complex as item number three on my list of things to do after this all went down. (The first being filing the affidavit with the bank, the second being filing a police report). They said there wasn't anything they could do about breaking my lease or kicking her out, though they were very sympathetic. They said they would see what they could do, but breaking the lease outright requires a 60-day notice and 2 months rent ($2,000).

    I also found out during my meeting that she was concealing the fact that we had a 3-day-late notice on our rent. Meaning they tried to cash her rent check last week and it bounced, and she had made arrangements to go in last Tuesday (when this all happened). I called on Wednesday and found out that her dad had been in to pay the rent, so that's at least taken care of). So to me that says that she lost her mind when she realized she couldn't cover the rent after I had already paid her my share at the beginning of the month and decided to try and get the money by any means necessary.

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    DVGDVG No. 1 Honor Student Nether Institute, Evil AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Final bit of extra detail: From Tuesday Night on she was gone, staying at her parents house "Because she was oh-so-ill with the flu". She returned at some point during the night last night, because her door was closed and her stuff in the living room when I got up this morning.

    She didn't admit to stealing, she insisted she would never do that. She just admitted that it was her signature and her account. She seems to be maintaining that some third party gained access to the apartment while neither of us were here, stole my check, did a perfect forgery of her signature and deposited in her account in an effort to sow sedition amongst us, I guess.

    I don't think the idea that she might legitimately not have memory of doing so is out of the question (IE: She might be actual for-real crazy). But that does not excuse the situation.

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    Forbe!Forbe! Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Don't give her the benefit of the doubt on this. She stole from you. She is just trying to take the blame off of herself.

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    DVGDVG No. 1 Honor Student Nether Institute, Evil AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Oh, I'm not. I'm just trying to find the best way to get her the fuck out of my life.

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    SerpentSerpent Sometimes Vancouver, BC, sometimes Brisbane, QLDRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    DVG wrote: »
    Final bit of extra detail: From Tuesday Night on she was gone, staying at her parents house "Because she was oh-so-ill with the flu". She returned at some point during the night last night, because her door was closed and her stuff in the living room when I got up this morning.

    She didn't admit to stealing, she insisted she would never do that. She just admitted that it was her signature and her account. She seems to be maintaining that some third party gained access to the apartment while neither of us were here, stole my check, did a perfect forgery of her signature and deposited in her account in an effort to sow sedition amongst us, I guess.

    I don't think the idea that she might legitimately not have memory of doing so is out of the question (IE: She might be actual for-real crazy). But that does not excuse the situation.

    She's probably just trying to save face. People don't like looking bad.

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    DeathwingDeathwing Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I don't think the idea that she might legitimately not have memory of doing so is out of the question (IE: She might be actual for-real crazy). But that does not excuse the situation.

    It's technically possible, maybe, but unless she has a long and detailed history of such incidents happening in the past, I really doubt it.

    It's far more likely that she is just trying (very badly) to be sneaky and pull the wool over your eyes. The fact that she thinks she's going to somehow be found innocent when she admitted to signing the check in her own handwriting and deposited to her personal account....boggles the mind. Probably a lot of attempted face-saving going on there too.
    Oh, I'm not. I'm just trying to find the best way to get her the fuck out of my life.

    Press charges. I find it hard to believe that there isn't *something* you or the management can do to avoid having to live with a convicted thief, but i'm not much of an expert on the laws for that sort of thing.

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    DVGDVG No. 1 Honor Student Nether Institute, Evil AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Well she was always "crazy ex" crazy. But I thought it was harmless enough for her to delude herself into thinking that my best friend is going to leave his fiance to come back to her. And she's claimed alternate history and ignorance on things before. So she's at very least a compulsive liar, with a however slight chance of actual psychological problems.

    In any case, playing hard ball to get her out has very little chance in working if she turns out to not be willing to go. It'll take longer than 4 months to evict her if she refuses to leave (IE, the apartment complex can't legally kick her out without a court order, which takes a long time to get), which is why I thought some kind of peaceful resolution was the way to go.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I find it very hard to believe that the tenant laws would very wildly in Ohio. If they can't do anything, you can, as it's your right as lessee.

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    JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Read your lease carefully, there's probably something in there about major crimes. RE breaking your lease, your local law PROBABLY (YMMV IANAL ETC ETC) reads that he can't rent the property and charge a tenet for it, so if you line him up a new tenet and say, "Prorate me until this guy moves in" he almost has to do it or turn down business out of spite. Or you can explore a sublease. Find your local tenet law, there's GOT to be something in there you can use. You can certainly have her removed from the property, especailly if she's not a lease signee. Call the police non-emergency number and talk to them about it.

    But your roommate is a felon and you owe it to yourself, society, and even her to sue the shit out of her for ever dime of this so the next time she's about to do two grand in check fraud she remembers "Oh wait check fraud is a bonehead move and a giant pain in the ass" not to mention this is felony forgery and/or fraud most places so an actual F on her record for white collar fraud basically bones her. I'd, personally, at my business, hire a murderer before a check floater. Shit, at least I know a murderer completes tasks with passion and follow-through.

    You're within morality to say, "I want to believe this is an honest mistake, so take care of my financial damage and that's what we'll call it, otherwise you've put me in a position where I have to involve police, for my own protection" and if you think she's batty, say it to her guardians. You're three grand into that person. I'm assuming that's 1-3 months of your life, if you're living like the average forumer, to say nothing of time and trouble.

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    DeathwingDeathwing Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    It'll take longer than 4 months to evict her if she refuses to leave (IE, the apartment complex can't legally kick her out without a court order, which takes a long time to get), which is why I thought some kind of peaceful resolution was the way to go.

    Ah, I missed where you mentioned moving out in April....In that case, I would probably lean slightly more towards locking your stuff down for the remaining months, with the understanding between the two of you that you will be watching like a hawk for more trouble.

    That said, you really need to speak with someone experienced in tenant law for your area, and see if there's any way to override the complex's "no eviction without a court order" policy.

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    JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Deathwing wrote: »
    It'll take longer than 4 months to evict her if she refuses to leave (IE, the apartment complex can't legally kick her out without a court order, which takes a long time to get), which is why I thought some kind of peaceful resolution was the way to go.
    Ah, I missed where you mentioned moving out in April....In that case, I would probably lean slightly more towards locking your stuff down for the remaining months, with the understanding between the two of you that you will be watching like a hawk for more trouble.

    That said, you really need to speak with someone experienced in tenant law for your area, and see if there's any way to override the complex's "no eviction without a court order" policy.

    There's at least one method that will work anywhere but maybe new york and california, I can almost guarantee, but it's a little tricky.

    It goes like this: Pack your shit. Don't pay rent. Get evicted. Pay off the lease immediately after eviction to avoid credit reporting. You'll probably get hit with your break lease clause anyway, but it will empty out the property, but you should be able to sue her for anything but the actual late fees. You might consider a few hours of a lawyer's time (again, this should be recoverable if you take her to court) as he could quickly tell you if she can be tossed or not and speed up any paper you need from the court.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Yeah I was actually going to suggest that, wasn't sure if other places had laws to protect the leasing agent like NY does though.

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    JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I see your ohio law does have a general "unconscionable terms" clause, but you're going to almost need a lawyer to exploit that. Does she really want to stay in the apartment? Have you explored her buying you out? With cash?

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    DVGDVG No. 1 Honor Student Nether Institute, Evil AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I see your ohio law does have a general "unconscionable terms" clause, but you're going to almost need a lawyer to exploit that. Does she really want to stay in the apartment? Have you explored her buying you out? With cash?

    I haven't explored anything yet. She was gone from the evening this happens until some point during the night last night. The day of I avoided all contact after the police officer left.

    But her buying me out is almost laughable. She's been unemployed the last six months and doesn't even have a car now. She has no means of independently supporting herself and relies on her grandparents to get her money for rent and food (and yet she still manages to hit the bars at least once a week and every night the week before Christmas).

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    JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Then figure out whatever keeps her from starving - sugar daddy, real daddy, whatever - go there and politely attempt to add these fees to the cost of keeping her. Take the grandparents the lease and your reciepts if you have to, tell them "Your little angel is this far over her head and now she's looking at felony check fraud as well. I'm not a jerk, I just want her out of my apartment, off my lease, and paying her share. I don't want to take days off to go to court with a friend, but this money's coming out of my account. Because of her actions."

    Maybe they'll pay you.

    This woman decided wrecking your life had a price of about 3000 dollars to her. (I'm estimating on the rent, but still). . . You don't owe her much. You owe her the bare protection from having the shit kicked out of her that the law offers, and that's it.

    (hitting the bars is easy for girls, btw, especially pathological exploiters)

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Go to the hardware store and pick up a $30 doorknob with a keyed lock. Definitely. Do it yesterday.

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    Forbe!Forbe! Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    bowen wrote: »
    Go to the hardware store and pick up a $30 doorknob with a keyed lock. Definitely. Do it yesterday.

    Make sure it is okay with your landlord. Our rental company will break the door to get into the room and charge you for the damages and the cost of the new knob/door if they find out you are replacing locks. Better yet, ask the landlord if it is possible to have them install one on your door. You may not have to pay for it.

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    DVGDVG No. 1 Honor Student Nether Institute, Evil AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    bowen wrote: »
    Go to the hardware store and pick up a $30 doorknob with a keyed lock. Definitely. Do it yesterday.

    Did this day one, and the lease manager suggested it herself, so it should be kosher with the complex.

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    JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    DVG wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Go to the hardware store and pick up a $30 doorknob with a keyed lock. Definitely. Do it yesterday.

    Did this day one, and the lease manager suggested it herself, so it should be kosher with the complex.

    So your apt manager is ok with kicking her out physically but won't evict her legally? Does not compute.

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    DVG wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Go to the hardware store and pick up a $30 doorknob with a keyed lock. Definitely. Do it yesterday.

    Did this day one, and the lease manager suggested it herself, so it should be kosher with the complex.

    So your apt manager is ok with kicking her out physically but won't evict her legally? Does not compute.

    I'm fairly sure he means getting a keyed lock on his bedroom door, not on the apartment. See if that computes a little better.

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    DVGDVG No. 1 Honor Student Nether Institute, Evil AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Sentry wrote: »
    DVG wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Go to the hardware store and pick up a $30 doorknob with a keyed lock. Definitely. Do it yesterday.

    Did this day one, and the lease manager suggested it herself, so it should be kosher with the complex.

    So your apt manager is ok with kicking her out physically but won't evict her legally? Does not compute.

    I'm fairly sure she means getting a keyed lock on her bedroom door, not on the apartment. See if that computes a little better.

    <-- Is a he.

    But yes, on the bedroom door in order to provide extra protection for valuables.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    DVG wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    DVG wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Go to the hardware store and pick up a $30 doorknob with a keyed lock. Definitely. Do it yesterday.

    Did this day one, and the lease manager suggested it herself, so it should be kosher with the complex.

    So your apt manager is ok with kicking her out physically but won't evict her legally? Does not compute.

    I'm fairly sure she means getting a keyed lock on her bedroom door, not on the apartment. See if that computes a little better.

    <-- Is a he.

    But yes, on the bedroom door in order to provide extra protection for valuables.

    Fuck I'd treat that apartment like a warzone now. Get a min fridge and keep all your food and shit inside your room and only go out on entrance and leave.

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    SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    bowen wrote: »
    DVG wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    DVG wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Go to the hardware store and pick up a $30 doorknob with a keyed lock. Definitely. Do it yesterday.

    Did this day one, and the lease manager suggested it herself, so it should be kosher with the complex.

    So your apt manager is ok with kicking her out physically but won't evict her legally? Does not compute.

    I'm fairly sure she means getting a keyed lock on her bedroom door, not on the apartment. See if that computes a little better.

    <-- Is a he.

    But yes, on the bedroom door in order to provide extra protection for valuables.

    Fuck I'd treat that apartment like a warzone now. Get a min fridge and keep all your food and shit inside your room and only go out on entrance and leave.

    If you're going to go this route, at least have the common sense to actually wage war. She stole from you; you're not supposed to be the one confined to a single room for the next four months. :p

    Decide on what you want as an endgame (ie--do you want her out of your life? do you want her to go to jail? or is it enough to have her out of your apartment?) and then leverage her by whatever means necessary to get that endgame. Off-hand, your two best pieces of leverage are the fact that she's flat-assed broke, and the fact that she's committed a felony against your property. Leverage it. If you don't care too much about the legal consequences, offer to work with the bank and the police to take some of the legal heat off her if she agrees to voluntarily break the lease and vacate. Sweeten the pot by offering to work with the landlord to make sure she doesn't get hit with a penalty for breaking her lease. If you do want her to suffer through the criminal process, that removes a lot of your ability to use it as leverage--you'll have to find some way to make her miserable.

    Fun story: when I decided I wanted to get rid of one of my roommates, I leveraged everything I could against her, including the fact that our lease stipulated that we each pay an equal share of the utilities, and I make substantially more money. So I left a space-heater on for like a week straight each month. The utilities bill skyrocketed, she couldn't pay her share, and so she defaulted on the rent. It hit my own wallet pretty hard, but it was totally worth the extra $400 to watch her box up her things.

    That's what it's all going to come down to: in order to be assured of getting what you want, you're going to have to give up something you have. Maybe it will be some peace and quiet. Maybe it will be some money. Maybe it will be the satisfaction of seeing her enter a "guilty" plea. Just pick what you're willing to sacrifice to get rid of her, and leverage it.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    She waged the war first, yes, but he may find that his milk might taste just a little too sour if he starts locking his door and keeping her from the checkbook that she allegedly didn't write a blank check to herself and cash into her account.

    But yeah, find a way to kick her out, but in the mean time you may want to keep yourself safe, sane, and not throwing up because of a pube in your cereal box.

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    JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    bah, that kind of sabotage can't really hurt you that bad. I mean, sure, there's spit in your milk, but let's be honest, if you see a pretty girl you'll put your tongue in her mouth and her spit isn't actually any different.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    bah, that kind of sabotage can't really hurt you that bad. I mean, sure, there's spit in your milk, but let's be honest, if you see a pretty girl you'll put your tongue in her mouth and her spit isn't actually any different.

    Who said spit? D:

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    DVGDVG No. 1 Honor Student Nether Institute, Evil AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I just received this from Facebook:
    Hey. So I have debated on doing this by actually talking to you or through email. Obviously I chose email (figured you didn't really want to talk to me). I cannot tell you how sorry I am for what happened. I also know that you do not believe me when I tell you I did not do it. Again, I swear to you that I didn't. I do not know how to prove this to you when all I have is my word. I had hoped you knew me better than that, but it is what it is and I am sorry my name was tied to it. I couldn't help but overhear you tonight on the phone when I was getting something from the kitchen. I had already guessed that everyone knew, but you confirmed it for me. So how many hate me? You won't have to worry about me making much of an appearance on Wednesday. If I do not have a car or a ride for the other parties, the only time I will make an appearance will be to find out who hates me. So go ahead and tell everyone to let me know. I had more I was going to say, but my head is still foggy and the meds are starting to kick in, so goodnight. I hope you can forgive me for my name being connected.

    ~ Kim

    For the record, I am having a new years party on Wednesday, which is the event she's referring to.

    I am writing this reply:
    The truth is, it would be ridiculously naive of me to believe you, and it has nothing to do with what I want to believe. I really wish I could just believe you, but I can't. I just can't. How could I?

    The truth is, we need to sit down and have a talk about what goes on from here. Obviously we aren't going to continue living together past April, but I think we should explore our options of ceasing our arrangement prior to then. This is just going to be extremely uncomfortable all around and I think it'd be best for one of us to leave or to pay to end our lease sooner rather than later and go our separate ways.

    I think it'd be best if we each had someone present for this conversation to keep everything honest. I'd say you should invite whomever from your family best capable to serve as a witness, and I'll invite someone to do the same for me.

    Though, besides all that, you need to start thinking about what this means for you in the more serious sense than social awkwardness. This was Fraud. It's a felony and it can carry jail time. If you really didn't do it, you need to pull your family in and start doing whatever you can to prove you didn't do it, because regardless of what I want the bank isn't likely to let this drop, and you need to be concerned for your own future.

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    JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    UGH what a useless person.

    Tell her you do not forgive her for stealing from you and you won't consider it until she admits she stole from you.

    God I can't believe the deep denial in that email, or that this little drama whore would have the balls to bitch about her reputation with your friends. That's sociopathic behavior.

    Also, if she didn't do it, why did someone put money in her account for no reason? Why didn't she report it ASAP herself if 2000 dollars came from no where? Why did this mysterious mastermind act just when she was short rent?

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    Mr. PokeylopeMr. Pokeylope Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Beside her stealing from you, another problem you have is that you can't trust her to have money for rent for the rest of the lease. To me not being able to pay her share would be enough of a reason for you to get out of that situation before you end up having to pay her rent and yours for the rest of the lease.

    Your pretty much fucked either way here. I think your best option is to sit down with her and just say things aren't work out and it would be best for both of you to move on. Offer to split the $2,000 and cut your losses.

    Take it as a life lesson and move on. Your not going to win in this situation, fighting with crazy people will get you no where.

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    SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I have to say, suggesting that each side bring a witness is a little bit too pistols at dawn for my tastes--but then again, I guess my real problem is I don't necessarily want a lot of people to know how ruthless I can be.

    I do like that you stated explicitly that you want to discuss one party leaving in the near future. I also like that you mentioned the bank and the criminal element to this as sort of a hanging threat in the future, although personally I'd have left some sort of suggestion open that perhaps the road to her not being completely fucked in the future runs through you. Because it largely does--if she's arrested or issued a summons, a prosecutor will get assigned to the case, and he'll probably be perfectly happy to work with you in advance of the trial. The girl's going to have to beg to plead this one out anyway because they've pretty much got her dead to rights, so her moving out can easily be a part of whatever deal the prosecutor offers.

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    Al_watAl_wat Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    If I was in this situation I would have no mercy with pursuing any method of recourse and would definitely press charges. Frankly I would probably also lay down a severe beating but that isn't intelligent advice.

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    SmurphSmurph Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Take her to court. She has no problem lying to you and squirming around trying to avoid being held accountable by you and whoever is supporting her. That shit will not fly in front of a judge or magistrate. Those guys are human lie detectors. Press charges for her stealing form you and hopefully she will agree to move out or something to get you to drop them. You don't want her to try to call your bluff and stick around thinking you won't press charges, so just press and drop them later if you get what you want.

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