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Surplus Guns (shooting info pg. 3!)
precisionk
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So I am looking at purchasing my very first gun. Having shot guns before and having played with surplus weapons, I have decided I am going to go that route, because I want something different. So far I am looking to get the rifle below, having shot an Ak-47 and a friend has used this site:
Romanian AK-47
I was curious if anyone else has had experience and or has opinions with surplus guns. It is tough to find a good surplus online website, anyone have any ideas?
Romanian AK-47
I was curious if anyone else has had experience and or has opinions with surplus guns. It is tough to find a good surplus online website, anyone have any ideas?
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shooting a gun is not the only thing that goes along with gun ownership
After that it may be easier to answer your questions!
If it were me, I would pick up a surplus Yugoslavian M48 mauser in 8mm from the same site, or perhaps a mosin nagant, chambered in the very inexpensive 7.62x 54 russian.
If this is your first gun, however, I would encourage something in .22
If possible, a Ruger 10/22, an excellent plinking and practice choice
A lot of good info there. Research whether ammo is available and how much it would cost, as well as where and when you can safely shoot. I would recommend going to some gun shows and speaking with dealers who carry the kind of firearm you are looking for. As others have already said, a lot of responsibility comes with gun ownership and use.
When factoring in the cost of the gun, you must think about ammo... it makes the price of the gun nearly irrelevent.
If you really want a surplus rifle, think about a Mosin Nagant. The ammo is dirt cheap and it's a lot of fun to shoot.
I hope you know how to clean and maintain whatever gun you're going to get or many things can happen
Goes off because of mechanical problems, hurting/killing someone, or the same thing, but hurting/killing you, it could break, becoming unusable. Hundreds of dollars down the drain.
Seriously, just wanting a gun is not enough validity to have one, you're asking for big BIG trouble.
I'm not certain but don;t you need to have a gun license for AKs?
Seriously get some actual knowledge before you do this if you haven't already, you run the risk of killing or maiming someone you care about
An AK is fine for a first gun.
It's an AK, one of the most reliable weapons in the world. You think the guys in the middle east ever clean their AKs? Not to suggest that it's a good idea to not clean it, but they are ridiculously low maintenance.
Yes it is. In fact, I'd say that just wanting a rifle for target practice is way more reasonable than getting a handgun or a rifle for home defense.
No.
You first.
That said, the OP should seriously consider some basic safety courses before he buys a firearm. They will cover the basics of what he needs to know about owning a firearm.
I have done my research on this gun. I have a variety of experience shooting weapons anything from a .22, to .357 magnum, to Mosin Nagat rifles.
Cleaning and maintenance I know a little bit about, but I have a friend who does have an Ak, which can show me around. I don't want a handgun, simply because everyone has one.
I want something different. This is not a sole purchase based off of, "I want to be Counterstrike cool and get an AK". I want an AK because not everyone has them, they are extremely reliable (from my experience) and I don't want to pay hundreds upon thousands of dollars for another rifle I may want (ar-15 and such).
Mosin Nagant I have been looking at as well. I certainly understand guns are expensive and such, but its something I not only want to use in target shooting, but as a viable alternative in hunting as well.
Definitely, just shot one this last weekend, same Mosin from that site. Was extremely accurate and looks hilarious seeing a guy carrying this massive looking rifle.
do they require background checks?
how does online ordering work for weapons?
You have to go through what is called a dealer transfer. You have to have a shop that sells guns such as a gun shop or pawn shop order it for you, you pay them a fee (like my shop is $25), then they can order it and you just pay them whatever it costs for the gun and shipping.
Must be 18 and older for rifles, 21 for handguns. Most places require handguns purchases to have a permit in your county. Whoever you buy it for, usually will contact ATF and register the gun in your name, that is where they can tell if you are say, a convicted criminal and deny it, I believe.
Ammo can be shipped to your door, provide you have a valid drivers license with your current address for confirmation.
They deliver to a dealer with an FFL. Basically, they ship it to your local gun shop, and the gun shop transfers it to you after they do all the federal background check stuff.
Usually the gun shop charges 10-15% or so for this service.
I can see how shipping to your local dealer would be "safer".
Say, I live in Colorado and I do not have a license. How would one acquire such paperwork?
Also, I am Canadian and have been living in da states legally since 1999, could I get a license even though I am not a citizen?
These are all things you need to check with your local state laws. They only usually sell FFL licenses to business and such, I think you can get one but it will cost some money. It is cheaper and common to go through a local dealer.
Well the nice thing about this ak, is it is new in box. Unlike some of the rifles.
Well, here's the thing. It's not really new. Due to the Import Weapons Ban, that AK will have been more/less totally taken apart and had about half of its components replaced with US made ones. While it's all probably technically "new" stuff, some of the worse US import companies can make some decent guns into really shitty ones. That one looks like an import from either Century Int'l Firearms or Atlantic Firearms. Century guns are often referred to as "you-fix-it" specials, due to shitty quality control. I made the mistake of buying a CETME imported through Century and it's so unreliable that I never even use it (a ~400$ lesson learned). While I have no firsthand experience with Atlantic, I'm under the impression that they're about the same. The gas tube issue that arod mentioned is most commonly seen from these importers.
If you want a semi-auto rifle chambered in 7.62x39, I would either go with an SKS (I actually picked up one of the Yugo ones from AIM last week but haven't shot it yet) for about half the price, or an AK imported through Arsenal Inc. The SKS is generally held to be slightly more accurate than a typical AK, and just as (if not slightly more) reliable. The SKS is old enough to qualify under Curio and Relic import, and thus is not susceptible to the Import Ban parts quota, and the Arsenal AKs (while more expensive) have a reputation of very good quality control.
If you have any more questions, post them or PM me.
Ran there is so much give in the bolt of an AK you can literally throw sand and water in the action, shake it out and then fire it. It's the Timex of guns. Probably lower maintenance then a semi auto pistol.
I host a podcast about movies.
But seriously, he's not kidding. I've heard of people literally testing this by throwing their AK, with an open action, in an algae-filled pond, fishing it out a day later, dumping sand in the action, washing it out by swishing it around in the same pond, and then test-firing it. No problems. It's a gun designed to be "maintained" by illiterate conscripts.
Doc, once again you've missed the point
That point being that you know nothing about guns but that you have a nebulous disapproval of them? Apologies in advance if I'm misjudging you, but it seems to me that anyone who uses the term "assault rifle" without irony is probably not qualified to weigh in on a discussion like this.
That said.
While I agree wholeheartedly that wanting a gun for the fun of target practice is enough reason (the best reason, imo) for buying one, do be aware that there is a bit more gravity to this purchase than that of, say, an Xbox. You need to have a place to keep it that is secure; an actual locking rack is ideal but there are other options. I have been told that you can actually be held partially liable (or at least are subject to extremely deep shit) if your gun is stolen. And that's to say nothing of the emotional impact of knowing that your purchase (even indirectly) caused someone harm. So be safe about it.
Safety is, without a doubt, the utmost importanance.
Now, if you just want to "look really cool" when you're shooting your AK, then you're buying this for all the wrong reasons.
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about and you have nothing to contribute to this thread. I'm pretty sure I got that much.
Clearly, I am not buying this for "cool" reasons. It is cool, however, not the sole reason. Mostly I like the style, the way it shoots, the ability to hunt small to large game with it and come in at an affordable price.
Granted, AK's are RELIABLE as shit, but definitely do research on the Romanian models (I know one of varieties has been modified to only accept single-stack mags to make it legal) or whatever model you want. Don't get me wrong, I am all for gun ownership, but the ramnifications and risks are weighty.
I live in Minnesota, so it shouldn't be an issue as a bit of people around here hunt with AK's or I have seen them hunt with AK's. Also accordance to state law, they are perfectly able to hunt.
I appreciate the info. I definitely am doing my research as we speak and won't just jump in the matter here.
Agreed.
Nope never have done. A couple of buddies of mine have. I would be interested.
The reliability is a big thing for me, too. I'm (unintentionally) hard on any piece of hardware I own.
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Sporting the AK in the bathroom, in all its glory.
Full length body shot
Up close Body shot
And perferably a gun safe...
Either way, for future reference, if you want a hunting rifle, get something accurate. An AK or SKS (not exactly sure on the AK, but hve shot SKS' before) are horribly inaccurate, and you'll more than likely end up hurting the animal more than is neccessary before it actually dies.
Also, I agree with the need for a real trigger lock.
Sadly, they are also really expensive.
Well shit, at least he's got his finger off the trigger.
I second the safe comment, though I'm a hypocrite for saying so since I don't have one myself. All but one of my guns live in my father's safe, though. Anything is better than that little piece of plastic you've got there; the cable locks that loop through the mag well and ejection port aren't bad.
Oh yeah, that trigger lock was from the store and had to come with the gun, by law. It is pretty chinsy and will buy a better lock pretty soon, just using it for the sake of not spending any more money at the moment. Most likely get the cable lock for it.
Yeah, I was pretty tired when I took that picture, running off of 4 hours of sleep.