Is this true even of healing spells? I remember downranking was a great art for healers, at one time.
They deliberately killed downranking. That was the whole point of switching all spells to a % of base mana cost.
Not so much killed it as raped it, tortured it, killed it, buried it, salted the earth around it and later dug it up to make jewelry out of it's bones.
There were two stated reasons for removing downranking: Rank 1 downranking for CC and Downranking for healing. Downranking for CC meant CC was a mindless button, Downranking for healing meant they had more variables to consider when designing raids. The second mirrors the Decursive conundrum: do they need to assume everyone's doing this and design around it, or assume they aren't and let the people who are have a big advantage? This is also why they've removed the weapon stam enchant, because it'd end up being the only tank enchant meaning they'd have to design around you having it.
Either Mongoose (maths out to 30 agility along with the haste) or Potency (as strength, it provides AP and block value, instead of just AP from the new wrath potency).
Under hit cap, you could make a solid argument for a Titanium Weapon Chain or Accuracy I guess.
It's okay though DKs will have a legitimate wrath tanking enchant. Rejoice for our new presence-using brethren!
EDIT: It's possible they're trying to do something with Lifeward, but I haven't seen numbers on it. Having a reactive tanking enchant as opposed to the more active mitigation/threat enchants available seems unlikely to become dominant, though.
After getting zilch on both the Naxx 10-man and 25-man runs today, I managed to whip up a Heroic HoL run. HoL is the last instance I've yet to do, and I'm about to hit exalted with Sons of Hodir so I wanted to get teh quest done whie the rep was still worthwhile.
We end up squishing the first three bosses, getting both achievements. We wipe a time or two on trash when things went haywire but for the most part we're kicking ass. We get to Loken, and everyone assures me that it'll be easy so long as we know what we're doing. A few people in teh group have never even wiped to him!
Cue six wipes and much cursing about lag, mice malfunctions, and the game just plainly being broken. We manage to get him down and even do so in two minutes netting the last achievement. Much rejoicing was had by all. I managed to get the HoL, Heroic HoL, Northrend Dungeonmaster, and Timely death achievements in one go; as well as the two I got previously. Then as I'm scouting around, 200 rep short to exalted with sons, I FINALLY find an Everfrost chip. Got my 800g Ice Mammoth achievement as well.
Well right there you just proved that there isn't one single tanking enchant, hence they don't have to balance around it. Their issue was if a weapons sta enchant went in, a tank would be dumb not to have it, and they'd have to treat every encounter assuming tanks had that stam boost.
They're pretty obsessive about people having choices, and making an enchant that vital essentially negates some of the creativity in how you design your character. It seems like valid reasoning, but Berserking is the best melee enchant by far since the penalty is getting reduced. And what caster doesn't put spellpower on their weapon? I dunno.
My wording was poor, but I meant you proved that there isn't an enchant that a tank must have. You sort of have options. Whereas the sta enchant would be a must have and they don't like taking away choice.
Fuck Yes.
We end up squishing the first three bosses, getting both achievements. We wipe a time or two on trash when things went haywire but for the most part we're kicking ass. We get to Loken, and everyone assures me that it'll be easy so long as we know what we're doing. A few people in teh group have never even wiped to him!
Cue six wipes and much cursing about lag, mice malfunctions, and the game just plainly being broken. We manage to get him down and even do so in two minutes netting the last achievement.
I had a similar experience today, except after the 4th wipe the shaman healer has to leave, and we pull in a druid healer; on the very next run we kill him in sub 2 mins (on NO attempt before that had we broken about 40%)
Then afterwards my friend goes "yeah, shaman healers suck on Loken"... thanks for letting me know 2 hours ago!
Fuck Yes.
We end up squishing the first three bosses, getting both achievements. We wipe a time or two on trash when things went haywire but for the most part we're kicking ass. We get to Loken, and everyone assures me that it'll be easy so long as we know what we're doing. A few people in teh group have never even wiped to him!
Cue six wipes and much cursing about lag, mice malfunctions, and the game just plainly being broken. We manage to get him down and even do so in two minutes netting the last achievement.
I had a similar experience today, except after the 4th wipe the shaman healer has to leave, and we pull in a druid healer; on the very next run we kill him in sub 2 mins (on NO attempt before that had we broken about 40%)
Then afterwards my friend goes "yeah, shaman healers suck on Loken"... thanks for letting me know 2 hours ago!
Death knights have access to superior enchants in part because they do not have a shield or ranged weapon slot and the stats provided by those items.
I guess if there was another tanking class in the game who can't equip a shield or doesn't have a ranged weapon slot they too would get superior enchants. But good thing there isn't.
Death knights have access to superior enchants in part because they do not have a shield or ranged weapon slot and the stats provided by those items.
I guess if there was another tanking class in the game who can't equip a shield or doesn't have a ranged weapon slot they too would get superior enchants. But good thing there isn't.
Good thing that such a hypothetical class wouldn't have to worry about silly things like gearing specifically to get crit immune.
Death knights have access to superior enchants in part because they do not have a shield or ranged weapon slot and the stats provided by those items.
I guess if there was another tanking class in the game who can't equip a shield or doesn't have a ranged weapon slot they too would get superior enchants. But good thing there isn't.
Good thing that such a hypothetical class wouldn't have to worry about silly things like gearing specifically to get crit immune.
Silly rabbit
Death Knights tanking?
Where did you get such a silly idea
Death knights have access to superior enchants in part because they do not have a shield or ranged weapon slot and the stats provided by those items.
I guess if there was another tanking class in the game who can't equip a shield or doesn't have a ranged weapon slot they too would get superior enchants. But good thing there isn't.
Have they said anything about improving Librams? I mean compared to what warriors get with the guns...thats an extra slot to make it easier to make up for lost stats. It'd be nice to get something to...kinda make up for that.
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Death knights have access to superior enchants in part because they do not have a shield or ranged weapon slot and the stats provided by those items.
I guess if there was another tanking class in the game who can't equip a shield or doesn't have a ranged weapon slot they too would get superior enchants. But good thing there isn't.
Good thing that such a hypothetical class wouldn't have to worry about silly things like gearing specifically to get crit immune.
I suppose if such a hypothetical class had existed in the previous expansion where they did have to gear to get crit immune, they would've had superior enchants then. I mean, surely, they at the very least wouldn't have had the best tanking / DPS enchant completely unuseable for them.
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No u, players must be punished and/or receive extra reparations now to make up for past wrongdoings!
Druids deserve everything they get for spending the first two years of the game whining that shaman get to dance in wolf form, but druids can't dance in their forms.
Druids deserve everything they get for spending the first two years of the game whining that shaman get to dance in wolf form, but druids can't dance in their forms.
And that's counter-acted by having particularly shitty talent specs for so long.
What's a good forum signature thing that will actually auto-update from armory every once in a while. This thing from guildlaunch I'm usin doesn't update ever, I've been 80 for weeks now. And I don't feel like manually re-making the sig every few days.
Well there are those of who like lore that do care, otherwise we wouldn't have the conversation in the first place.
But I wouldn't say either side is a black and white style good guy or bad guy. Horde has Forsaken and Blood Elves who are at best, slightly evil and at worse like Putress and Kael. But they also have the Tauren who are like Night Elves with out the arrogance, self centeredness and the feeling that they are the titan's gift to Azeroth. In the middle you have the Orcs and Trolls. Redeemed but barbaric races who live by their own code of honor.
For the Alliance you have humans who like who humans in every fatansy style novel or story range the gambit saintly to the incarnation of evil. Right now we have Jaina who wants to sleep with Thrall and keep piece to king deuce o' matic. You have the Dwarves that probably if it wasn't for the whole first and second war thing would get along with some of the Orcs. They have their own honor, they are in general good people other than the Dark Irons who are their own seperate group. Gnomes are Chaotic Neutral, not really evil just kind of retared and overreact to everything. Have the Night Elves which have endangered the world more times than any other race other than maybe the Trolls and their obession with evil gods. Last you have the space pallys. Since the retconn are the pinnacle of goodness and the light and should be cleansed with fire.
Both sides have good and bad, so I wouldn't say either is the true good guy per say. It just depends on which side you are playing as.
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Um, the Tauren's aren't all quite saintly. The Grimtotem clan is attempting to restart the war with the Alliance and is taking Alliance prisoners.
The Grimtotem aren't friendly with the Horde either (well, except for the evil Forsaken, and that's because they share the goal of wiping out the Alliance, even though they'd probably try to backstab each other afterwards if they ever did it). Even so, they're a tiny clan: every other race has tons more evil clans/families/groups.
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edited January 2009
Figures that the black minority taurens are the ones causing trouble.
Well there are those of who like lore that do care, otherwise we wouldn't have the conversation in the first place.
But I wouldn't say either side is a black and white style good guy or bad guy. Horde has Forsaken and Blood Elves who are at best, slightly evil and at worse like Putress and Kael. But they also have the Tauren who are like Night Elves with out the arrogance, self centeredness and the feeling that they are the titan's gift to Azeroth. In the middle you have the Orcs and Trolls. Redeemed but barbaric races who live by their own code of honor.
For the Alliance you have humans who like who humans in every fatansy style novel or story range the gambit saintly to the incarnation of evil. Right now we have Jaina who wants to sleep with Thrall and keep piece to king deuce o' matic. You have the Dwarves that probably if it wasn't for the whole first and second war thing would get along with some of the Orcs. They have their own honor, they are in general good people other than the Dark Irons who are their own seperate group. Gnomes are Chaotic Neutral, not really evil just kind of retared and overreact to everything. Have the Night Elves which have endangered the world more times than any other race other than maybe the Trolls and their obession with evil gods. Last you have the space pallys. Since the retconn are the pinnacle of goodness and the light and should be cleansed with fire.
Both sides have good and bad, so I wouldn't say either is the true good guy per say. It just depends on which side you are playing as.
I totally agree on the limed part. Neither side is "the good guys" and it's annoying that some people feel the constant need to reduce all complexity and nuance to a cliche.
I think you paint the Blood Elves with too broad a brush, the latter events of TBC show that many of them were mislead and ultimately redeemed. Dranei can be a bit preachy but they aren't that bad. I like the Naru. Nice change of pace to all the Godlike beings in WoW being horribly evil and corrupt excepting for the ones who exist as mere abstractions. The Naru are objectively real and they are good.
Except the Naaru turn into evil soul munching monsters when their batteries run low. That's why they train all those draenei and others to be paladins....gotta keep some rechargeable batteries on hand for when theirs run low.
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They deliberately killed downranking. That was the whole point of switching all spells to a % of base mana cost.
Not so much killed it as raped it, tortured it, killed it, buried it, salted the earth around it and later dug it up to make jewelry out of it's bones.
I'm not bitter!
Under hit cap, you could make a solid argument for a Titanium Weapon Chain or Accuracy I guess.
It's okay though DKs will have a legitimate wrath tanking enchant. Rejoice for our new presence-using brethren!
EDIT: It's possible they're trying to do something with Lifeward, but I haven't seen numbers on it. Having a reactive tanking enchant as opposed to the more active mitigation/threat enchants available seems unlikely to become dominant, though.
After getting zilch on both the Naxx 10-man and 25-man runs today, I managed to whip up a Heroic HoL run. HoL is the last instance I've yet to do, and I'm about to hit exalted with Sons of Hodir so I wanted to get teh quest done whie the rep was still worthwhile.
We end up squishing the first three bosses, getting both achievements. We wipe a time or two on trash when things went haywire but for the most part we're kicking ass. We get to Loken, and everyone assures me that it'll be easy so long as we know what we're doing. A few people in teh group have never even wiped to him!
Cue six wipes and much cursing about lag, mice malfunctions, and the game just plainly being broken. We manage to get him down and even do so in two minutes netting the last achievement. Much rejoicing was had by all. I managed to get the HoL, Heroic HoL, Northrend Dungeonmaster, and Timely death achievements in one go; as well as the two I got previously. Then as I'm scouting around, 200 rep short to exalted with sons, I FINALLY find an Everfrost chip. Got my 800g Ice Mammoth achievement as well.
They're pretty obsessive about people having choices, and making an enchant that vital essentially negates some of the creativity in how you design your character. It seems like valid reasoning, but Berserking is the best melee enchant by far since the penalty is getting reduced. And what caster doesn't put spellpower on their weapon? I dunno.
I made my Death Knight a blacksmith because I hate myself and I'm wondering if I should bother with either
I had a similar experience today, except after the 4th wipe the shaman healer has to leave, and we pull in a druid healer; on the very next run we kill him in sub 2 mins (on NO attempt before that had we broken about 40%)
Then afterwards my friend goes "yeah, shaman healers suck on Loken"... thanks for letting me know 2 hours ago!
Man, Loken as a shaman healer ain't no thang
Other than casting rank one spells for a laugh I use the current top ranked ones
I guess if there was another tanking class in the game who can't equip a shield or doesn't have a ranged weapon slot they too would get superior enchants. But good thing there isn't.
Good thing that such a hypothetical class wouldn't have to worry about silly things like gearing specifically to get crit immune.
Silly rabbit
Death Knights tanking?
Where did you get such a silly idea
Have they said anything about improving Librams? I mean compared to what warriors get with the guns...thats an extra slot to make it easier to make up for lost stats. It'd be nice to get something to...kinda make up for that.
I suppose if such a hypothetical class had existed in the previous expansion where they did have to gear to get crit immune, they would've had superior enchants then. I mean, surely, they at the very least wouldn't have had the best tanking / DPS enchant completely unuseable for them.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
No u, players must be punished and/or receive extra reparations now to make up for past wrongdoings!
And that's counter-acted by having particularly shitty talent specs for so long.
What's a good forum signature thing that will actually auto-update from armory every once in a while. This thing from guildlaunch I'm usin doesn't update ever, I've been 80 for weeks now. And I don't feel like manually re-making the sig every few days.
Fuck exploiters in the ASS. FUCK THEM.
Spoiler'd for huge.
Why yes... those are two horde players carrying two alliance flags. No that is not a graphical glitch.
edit: and if anyone is playing horde side on the kael'thas server, their names are Dizease and Explicit. Send them HATE TELLS and REPORT THEM.
Douchebags.
ed: rogue and warlock, right, nevermind.
Oh yeah, the Forsaken are totally the good guys. *eyeroll*
Please. No one cares anymore.
Hell, one of the reasons I don't play Horde is 'cause the "oh poor us we're better 'cause we're fewer fuck alliance" attitude nauseated me.
(edit) not that that's all Horde, by any means, but I just got so tired of it...
But I wouldn't say either side is a black and white style good guy or bad guy. Horde has Forsaken and Blood Elves who are at best, slightly evil and at worse like Putress and Kael. But they also have the Tauren who are like Night Elves with out the arrogance, self centeredness and the feeling that they are the titan's gift to Azeroth. In the middle you have the Orcs and Trolls. Redeemed but barbaric races who live by their own code of honor.
For the Alliance you have humans who like who humans in every fatansy style novel or story range the gambit saintly to the incarnation of evil. Right now we have Jaina who wants to sleep with Thrall and keep piece to king deuce o' matic. You have the Dwarves that probably if it wasn't for the whole first and second war thing would get along with some of the Orcs. They have their own honor, they are in general good people other than the Dark Irons who are their own seperate group. Gnomes are Chaotic Neutral, not really evil just kind of retared and overreact to everything. Have the Night Elves which have endangered the world more times than any other race other than maybe the Trolls and their obession with evil gods. Last you have the space pallys. Since the retconn are the pinnacle of goodness and the light and should be cleansed with fire.
Both sides have good and bad, so I wouldn't say either is the true good guy per say. It just depends on which side you are playing as.
I totally agree on the limed part. Neither side is "the good guys" and it's annoying that some people feel the constant need to reduce all complexity and nuance to a cliche.
I think you paint the Blood Elves with too broad a brush, the latter events of TBC show that many of them were mislead and ultimately redeemed. Dranei can be a bit preachy but they aren't that bad. I like the Naru. Nice change of pace to all the Godlike beings in WoW being horribly evil and corrupt excepting for the ones who exist as mere abstractions. The Naru are objectively real and they are good.