I find it really odd they spent all this time to get the Pre to merge all your contacts from multiple sources seamlessly (superjesus willing) and with such a sweet calendar (demo'd by Bob Ross?) setup and then didn't get it working with MS Exchange. Must be some legal thing.
You have to license the tech used to speak with exchange. Apple had to pay the piper, so will Palm.
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Let's play Mario Kart or something...
They'd better if they plan to get in the business market. While the majority of business smartphones I see are blackberries, in truth any phone that can connect to exchange works well enough for a lot of business-people, and really it's exchange that these people consider to be the killer feature of their smartphones.
If for some reason it would add significantly to the cost, perhaps they can just add Exchange support in their version of the App Store. If it were to add $7.84 or something to the cost of each device, I'm sure they could just sell it there for $10.
Also: Ars Technica takes a first look at the software stack.
No news yet but they're making a CDMA version that I'm sure will come out shortly after the Pre, I would be surprised if neither ended up on some carrier in Canada.
Some news today, if you buy the touchstone it comes with a different back that has magnets in it that help the phone stick to the touchstone. It also is a soft non-reflecting matte as opposed to the shiny shiningness that the Pre comes with out of the box. It's a separate purchase for the touchstone, pricing unannounced, if anyone was unaware.
Palm also mentions some games are in development and they're working with a small amount of developers to refine the SDK which will probably be released around launch time. Since the SDK currently doesn't have deep access to the phone's naughty bits Joe Dev won't be able to code anything too crazy but with flash coming out for it by the end of the year we're bound to see some interesting things pop up. Hopefully they'll open up more API as things go along.
Fuck, I meant they're making a GSM version. Damn you editless jailtown. Also someone developed a faux WebOS that runs on top of the old PalmOS. Awkwaaard.
Fuck, I meant they're making a GSM version. Damn you editless jailtown. Also someone developed a faux WebOS that runs on top of the old PalmOS. Awkwaaard.
Fuck, I meant they're making a GSM version. Damn you editless jailtown. Also someone developed a faux WebOS that runs on top of the old PalmOS. Awkwaaard.
Fuck, I meant they're making a GSM version. Damn you editless jailtown. Also someone developed a faux WebOS that runs on top of the old PalmOS. Awkwaaard.
Whoa, that looks pretty shitty to me.
It... it's the old PalmOS. It was pretty crappy.
It's so... so shitty. Can't believe people used it
Yeah, it really sucks. The navigation isn't logical at all, and it's a huge pain in the ass to get anything done. It's old though. We don't fully realize how crappy stuff is until something better comes along.
As for iphones and the smartphone revolution, I don't think they were as significant as people say they were. The app store front? A bit. The Web browser? Very much so. Everything else? *olllldddd*.
The fact of the matter is that Blackberry, Treo, Nokia, and HTC are the brands who have really moved the smartphone from rich businessman's object to a common household item.
The fact of the matter is that Blackberry, Treo, Nokia, and HTC are the brands who have really moved the smartphone from rich businessman's object to a common household item.
Yup. Because those phones were really designed for the typical casual users in mind.
The fact of the matter is that Blackberry, Treo, Nokia, and HTC are the brands who have really moved the smartphone from rich businessman's object to a common household item.
Yup. Because those phones were really designed for the typical casual users in mind.
No, but as an apple fanboi, I'm sure you're aware of how "it's all in the marketing". As texting became popular, people wanted full keyboards. Since many people didn't want to deal with pressing three buttons to enter one letter, having a keyboard became really attractive. People all over the place were buying smartphones for this reason, and companies realized it and started to make data packages mandatory.
Also, physical keyboards are where it's at. Touchscreens are a pain in the ass. I compare touchscreens to Playstation One 3D games. Even though the PS1 was a kickass 2D gaming platform, people wanted UGLY 3D games because "3D IS SO MUCH BETTER ZOMG!" In the same way, people seem to want shitty touchscreens instead of beautifully designed full Qwerty right now. People are just now beginning to realize how crappy pure touchscreen phones are and wishing even more than they weren't locked into two years of cumbersome inconvenience.
On a related note, I wonder if you're a troll or just that much of a whore. If apple offered a $499 dollar chair that constantly ass-fucked you, how quickly would you line up to buy it?
I work with blackberries all the time, there's nothing wrong with them (or HTCs, wow do some of those make iphones look clunky) for non-business use. Whether they were designed to convince people that a smartphone can also be a good regular phone isn't relevent, it's still what they did. Now we just take it as a given that a phone can also be a computer. I think the iPhone's contribution was safari, proving that quality web browsing is possible from a phone. Definitely still the trump card for Apple.
The fact of the matter is that Blackberry, Treo, Nokia, and HTC are the brands who have really moved the smartphone from rich businessman's object to a common household item.
Yup. Because those phones were really designed for the typical casual users in mind.
No, but as an apple fanboi, I'm sure you're aware of how "it's all in the marketing". As texting became popular, people wanted full keyboards. Since many people didn't want to deal with pressing three buttons to enter one letter, having a keyboard became really attractive. People all over the place were buying smartphones for this reason, and companies realized it and started to make data packages mandatory.
Also, physical keyboards are where it's at. Touchscreens are a pain in the ass. I compare touchscreens to Playstation One 3D games. Even though the PS1 was a kickass 2D gaming platform, people wanted UGLY 3D games because "3D IS SO MUCH BETTER ZOMG!" In the same way, people seem to want shitty touchscreens instead of beautifully designed full Qwerty right now. People are just now beginning to realize how crappy pure touchscreen phones are and wishing even more than they weren't locked into two years of cumbersome inconvenience.
On a related note, I wonder if you're a troll or just that much of a whore. If apple offered a $499 dollar chair that constantly ass-fucked you, how quickly would you line up to buy it?
Not a fanboi, I just don't think marketing is a completely terrible thing. It's not like the iPhone isn't a good phone.
I dunno... everytime my iPhone takes a fucking year to notice that YES I AM TRYING TO END THE CALL, THANK YOU, I think it's a bad phone . Or when I think about how often I have to charge it.
Great device and certainly a suffcient phone, but it has quirks. Once I accidentally started calling an employer at 3 am and couldn't get it to stop the call at all, had to reset it. Thank god I hit his business line and not home or cell.
I love the iPhone, but a w810i for example is a genuinely superior phone with bettery battery life and footprint.
The fact of the matter is that Blackberry, Treo, Nokia, and HTC are the brands who have really moved the smartphone from rich businessman's object to a common household item.
Yup. Because those phones were really designed for the typical casual users in mind.
No, but as an apple fanboi, I'm sure you're aware of how "it's all in the marketing". As texting became popular, people wanted full keyboards. Since many people didn't want to deal with pressing three buttons to enter one letter, having a keyboard became really attractive. People all over the place were buying smartphones for this reason, and companies realized it and started to make data packages mandatory.
Also, physical keyboards are where it's at. Touchscreens are a pain in the ass. I compare touchscreens to Playstation One 3D games. Even though the PS1 was a kickass 2D gaming platform, people wanted UGLY 3D games because "3D IS SO MUCH BETTER ZOMG!" In the same way, people seem to want shitty touchscreens instead of beautifully designed full Qwerty right now. People are just now beginning to realize how crappy pure touchscreen phones are and wishing even more than they weren't locked into two years of cumbersome inconvenience.
On a related note, I wonder if you're a troll or just that much of a whore. If apple offered a $499 dollar chair that constantly ass-fucked you, how quickly would you line up to buy it?
Not a fanboi, I just don't think marketing is a completely terrible thing. It's not like the iPhone isn't a good phone.
You are a fanboi. Look at your response to a full-fleshed argument:
I just don't think marketing is a completely terrible thing. It's not like the iPhone isn't a good phone.
It's really awesome at web browsing (arguably the best phone on the market for this, though many are beginning to come close and others, such as the Pre, will definitely surpass it thanks to flash support). It's an adaptation of a well-known, commonly used mp3 player. That's pretty cool, but they didn't invent the concept-- Sony Ericcson did. Its battery life sucks and it offers no way of replacing the battery. The way that I can tell a mac user from a fanboi is that a fanboi will take an approach opposite of what Apple is best known for-- they settle for the status quo and defend poor design. You are a fanboi.
Marketing can be a terrible thing. When your entire system is based upon selling an idea rather than a product itself, you can have serious problems with quality. Do I think the iphone is bad? No, I think it's pretty awesome. Do I think the Pre will be a better device? Absolutely.
"On a related note, I wonder if you're a troll or just that much of a whore. If apple offered a $499 dollar chair that constantly ass-fucked you, how quickly would you line up to buy it?"
deserves a one line response. The following is my opinion.
I'm interested in the Pre, largely because it appears to share the same design ethos as the iPhone. In my opinion, the success Apple has had with it comes neither from innovation, nor marketing, but in understanding the end user. They produce products that do what most people want, quickly and simply, rather than swiss army devices that do everything, but nothing well.
Apple didn't invent the mp3* player, but they designed one with an interface so elegant it remained almost untouched for six years, and invented easy integration with the desktop.
They didn't invent mobile browsing, but two years after the iphone launched they still arguably the best mobile browser.
I went to have a look at a G1 today. In theory a physical keyboard + touchscreen should be the best of both worlds; speedy text input, and an app customisable input when you want it. In practice it just muddies the GUI. Touchscreen only is nowhere near perfect, but worse is the G1.
A non-replaceable battery isn't perfect, but then the only device I've ever owned where I have replaced the battery is my work camera, and I would imagine that I'm with the majority there.
*By the way, I believe Nokia and not SE produced the first mp3 phone.
"On a related note, I wonder if you're a troll or just that much of a whore. If apple offered a $499 dollar chair that constantly ass-fucked you, how quickly would you line up to buy it?"
deserves a one line response. The following is my opinion.
I'm interested in the Pre, largely because it appears to share the same design ethos as the iPhone. In my opinion, the success Apple has had with it comes neither from innovation, nor marketing, but in understanding the end user. They produce products that do what most people want, quickly and simply, rather than swiss army devices that do everything, but nothing well.
Apple didn't invent the mp3* player, but they designed one with an interface so elegant it remained almost untouched for six years, and invented easy integration with the desktop.
They didn't invent mobile browsing, but two years after the iphone launched they still arguably the best mobile browser.
I went to have a look at a G1 today. In theory a physical keyboard + touchscreen should be the best of both worlds; speedy text input, and an app customisable input when you want it. In practice it just muddies the GUI. Touchscreen only is nowhere near perfect, but worse is the G1.
A non-replaceable battery isn't perfect, but then the only device I've ever owned where I have replaced the battery is my work camera, and I would imagine that I'm with the majority there.
*By the way, I believe Nokia and not SE produced the first mp3 phone.
Nokia didn't manufacture several lines of massively successful portable music players, including the first widespread success in the form of the walkman.
My argument doesn't become less valid because I called him out on his bullshit, and it certainly doesn't give him the right to ignore it.
(As a point of order, you will generally want to be able to replace your laptop battery, as the majority of those live at best half as long as their respective laptops' functional lives. At BEST. I handled warranty calls for Circuit City for a while and pretty much 2/3rds were "My battery's dead and I just bought this thing a year ago!")
"On a related note, I wonder if you're a troll or just that much of a whore. If apple offered a $499 dollar chair that constantly ass-fucked you, how quickly would you line up to buy it?"
deserves a one line response. The following is my opinion.
I'm interested in the Pre, largely because it appears to share the same design ethos as the iPhone. In my opinion, the success Apple has had with it comes neither from innovation, nor marketing, but in understanding the end user. They produce products that do what most people want, quickly and simply, rather than swiss army devices that do everything, but nothing well.
Apple didn't invent the mp3* player, but they designed one with an interface so elegant it remained almost untouched for six years, and invented easy integration with the desktop.
They didn't invent mobile browsing, but two years after the iphone launched they still arguably the best mobile browser.
I went to have a look at a G1 today. In theory a physical keyboard + touchscreen should be the best of both worlds; speedy text input, and an app customisable input when you want it. In practice it just muddies the GUI. Touchscreen only is nowhere near perfect, but worse is the G1.
A non-replaceable battery isn't perfect, but then the only device I've ever owned where I have replaced the battery is my work camera, and I would imagine that I'm with the majority there.
*By the way, I believe Nokia and not SE produced the first mp3 phone.
Nokia didn't manufacture several lines of massively successful portable music players, including the first widespread success in the form of the walkman.
My argument doesn't become less valid because I called him out on his bullshit, and it certainly doesn't give him the right to ignore it.
Pardon the double-post, but honestly? It kinda does.
You had a fairly reasoned, well-formed argument. And then you went and crapped on the thread.
Listen, you want to be taken seriously? Take everyone else seriously. Using perjorative terms like "fanboi" doesn't promote discourse, it inhibits it. Point out logical flaws sure, but don't use ridiculous and insulting strawman arguments to do so.
When I read this thread, you're the one who comes off as the slavering fanatic, unable to consider anyone else's opinion and unwilling to change his own. Am I right in that? I dunno. But that's the impression you're giving. You're just not helping your cause with the way you're acting.
Pardon the double-post, but honestly? It kinda does.
You had a fairly reasoned, well-formed argument. And then you went and crapped on the thread.
Listen, you want to be taken seriously? Take everyone else seriously. Using perjorative terms like "fanboi" doesn't promote discourse, it inhibits it. Point out logical flaws sure, but don't use ridiculous and insulting strawman arguments to do so.
When I read this thread, you're the one who comes off as the slavering fanatic, unable to consider anyone else's opinion and unwilling to change his own. Am I right in that? I dunno. But that's the impression you're giving. You're just not helping your cause with the way you're acting.
The problem here is that you seem to be ignoring Obs's posting history.
Pardon the double-post, but honestly? It kinda does.
You had a fairly reasoned, well-formed argument. And then you went and crapped on the thread.
Listen, you want to be taken seriously? Take everyone else seriously. Using perjorative terms like "fanboi" doesn't promote discourse, it inhibits it. Point out logical flaws sure, but don't use ridiculous and insulting strawman arguments to do so.
When I read this thread, you're the one who comes off as the slavering fanatic, unable to consider anyone else's opinion and unwilling to change his own. Am I right in that? I dunno. But that's the impression you're giving. You're just not helping your cause with the way you're acting.
The problem here is that you seem to be ignoring Obs's posting history.
I think that's pretty much it. It isn't that I said he was wrong. If you actually have been reading the thread, you'd see that I've agreed with him on several things, even when most of the thread totally disagrees. Please point out in this thread where I've been a "slavering fanatic" towards a particular brand, product, or anything else. I love technology, but I have high standards for it and I think it's bullshit when people cut corners on things or refuse to make improvements.
So yes, if you simply looked at this post and this page, you would see me as strawmanning him hardcore, but rest assured, that is not the case.
Hey, so everyone is talking about how great the iPhone is for webbrowsing. How so? What can the iPhone do with the web that I can't with my HTC Touch Pro (which comes pre-loaded with Opera)
Hey, so everyone is talking about how great the iPhone is for webbrowsing. How so? What can the iPhone do with the web that I can't with my HTC Touch Pro (which comes pre-loaded with Opera)
It works well. For me anyway. I understand some people have troubles with Mobile Safari crashing.
Hey, so everyone is talking about how great the iPhone is for webbrowsing. How so? What can the iPhone do with the web that I can't with my HTC Touch Pro (which comes pre-loaded with Opera)
It works well. For me anyway. I understand some people have troubles with Mobile Safari crashing.
What does that mean, "It works well"?
I mean, Opera on my HTC Touch Pro "works well".
Hell, I always thought that mobile IE on my Treo700wx "worked well"
As far as qualifiers go, "well" is not high up there.
I guess I was expecting some kind of quantifiable functions...
Hey, so everyone is talking about how great the iPhone is for webbrowsing. How so? What can the iPhone do with the web that I can't with my HTC Touch Pro (which comes pre-loaded with Opera)
It works well. For me anyway. I understand some people have troubles with Mobile Safari crashing.
What does that mean, "It works well"?
I mean, Opera on my HTC Touch Pro "works well".
Hell, I always thought that mobile IE on my Treo700wx "worked well"
As far as qualifiers go, "well" is not high up there.
I guess I was expecting some kind of quantifiable functions...
I guess I was confused by your asking how people thought webbrowsing was great on the iPhone. Then by your following up with wanting a comparison of what's different between the browsing experience on the iPhone vs. the HTC Touch Pro. I mean, I can enjoy the functionality of my device without having to compare it to that of another device, right?
Hey, so everyone is talking about how great the iPhone is for webbrowsing. How so? What can the iPhone do with the web that I can't with my HTC Touch Pro (which comes pre-loaded with Opera)
It works well. For me anyway. I understand some people have troubles with Mobile Safari crashing.
What does that mean, "It works well"?
I mean, Opera on my HTC Touch Pro "works well".
Hell, I always thought that mobile IE on my Treo700wx "worked well"
As far as qualifiers go, "well" is not high up there.
I guess I was expecting some kind of quantifiable functions...
I guess I was confused by your asking how people thought webbrowsing was great on the iPhone. Then by your following up with wanting a comparison of what's different between the browsing experience on the iPhone vs. the HTC Touch Pro. I mean, I can enjoy the functionality of my device without having to compare it to that of another device, right?
Don't get all defensive all of the sudden.
Folks seem to be in agreement that the iPhone has some how innovated mobile webbrowsing, or is in some way the "best" platform for mobile webbrowsing. (If YOU weren't one of the people who was making that claim, then you are NOT the person who should have been answering my question.)
I'd like that explained to me. I'm not trying to call anyone out, I'm just trying to figure out WHY this is being said.
Even if it's a matter of personal preference, there has to be something there that one prefers.
Well, I can use the G1 with my thumb, which was something that ended in frustration with my old 700w.
Edit: I also like the 'flick' scrolling, the fact that it doesn't take 30 seconds to run javascript, the fact that it doesn't crash on overly complex sites -- but those were possibly hardware issues with the 700w.
Well, I can use the G1 with my thumb, which was something that ended in frustration with my old 700w.
that may have more to do with the screen being inset or not. My HTC Touch Pro works fine with my thumb.
Or are you maybe talking about zoom level on webpages, which is an interface thing that can be done in more ways than just the iphone "pinch". on my Touch Pro I have a little rign that I can run my thumb around that will allow me to zoom in or zoom out on webpages, google maps, and many other things.
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Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Also: Ars Technica takes a first look at the software stack.
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It really tickles my fancy, you see.
Some news today, if you buy the touchstone it comes with a different back that has magnets in it that help the phone stick to the touchstone. It also is a soft non-reflecting matte as opposed to the shiny shiningness that the Pre comes with out of the box. It's a separate purchase for the touchstone, pricing unannounced, if anyone was unaware.
Palm also mentions some games are in development and they're working with a small amount of developers to refine the SDK which will probably be released around launch time. Since the SDK currently doesn't have deep access to the phone's naughty bits Joe Dev won't be able to code anything too crazy but with flash coming out for it by the end of the year we're bound to see some interesting things pop up. Hopefully they'll open up more API as things go along.
Whoa, that looks pretty shitty to me.
It's so... so shitty. Can't believe people used it
As for iphones and the smartphone revolution, I don't think they were as significant as people say they were. The app store front? A bit. The Web browser? Very much so. Everything else? *olllldddd*.
The fact of the matter is that Blackberry, Treo, Nokia, and HTC are the brands who have really moved the smartphone from rich businessman's object to a common household item.
Yup. Because those phones were really designed for the typical casual users in mind.
No, but as an apple fanboi, I'm sure you're aware of how "it's all in the marketing". As texting became popular, people wanted full keyboards. Since many people didn't want to deal with pressing three buttons to enter one letter, having a keyboard became really attractive. People all over the place were buying smartphones for this reason, and companies realized it and started to make data packages mandatory.
Also, physical keyboards are where it's at. Touchscreens are a pain in the ass. I compare touchscreens to Playstation One 3D games. Even though the PS1 was a kickass 2D gaming platform, people wanted UGLY 3D games because "3D IS SO MUCH BETTER ZOMG!" In the same way, people seem to want shitty touchscreens instead of beautifully designed full Qwerty right now. People are just now beginning to realize how crappy pure touchscreen phones are and wishing even more than they weren't locked into two years of cumbersome inconvenience.
On a related note, I wonder if you're a troll or just that much of a whore. If apple offered a $499 dollar chair that constantly ass-fucked you, how quickly would you line up to buy it?
Not a fanboi, I just don't think marketing is a completely terrible thing. It's not like the iPhone isn't a good phone.
Great device and certainly a suffcient phone, but it has quirks. Once I accidentally started calling an employer at 3 am and couldn't get it to stop the call at all, had to reset it. Thank god I hit his business line and not home or cell.
I love the iPhone, but a w810i for example is a genuinely superior phone with bettery battery life and footprint.
You are a fanboi. Look at your response to a full-fleshed argument:
It's really awesome at web browsing (arguably the best phone on the market for this, though many are beginning to come close and others, such as the Pre, will definitely surpass it thanks to flash support). It's an adaptation of a well-known, commonly used mp3 player. That's pretty cool, but they didn't invent the concept-- Sony Ericcson did. Its battery life sucks and it offers no way of replacing the battery. The way that I can tell a mac user from a fanboi is that a fanboi will take an approach opposite of what Apple is best known for-- they settle for the status quo and defend poor design. You are a fanboi.
Marketing can be a terrible thing. When your entire system is based upon selling an idea rather than a product itself, you can have serious problems with quality. Do I think the iphone is bad? No, I think it's pretty awesome. Do I think the Pre will be a better device? Absolutely.
"On a related note, I wonder if you're a troll or just that much of a whore. If apple offered a $499 dollar chair that constantly ass-fucked you, how quickly would you line up to buy it?"
deserves a one line response. The following is my opinion.
I'm interested in the Pre, largely because it appears to share the same design ethos as the iPhone. In my opinion, the success Apple has had with it comes neither from innovation, nor marketing, but in understanding the end user. They produce products that do what most people want, quickly and simply, rather than swiss army devices that do everything, but nothing well.
Apple didn't invent the mp3* player, but they designed one with an interface so elegant it remained almost untouched for six years, and invented easy integration with the desktop.
They didn't invent mobile browsing, but two years after the iphone launched they still arguably the best mobile browser.
I went to have a look at a G1 today. In theory a physical keyboard + touchscreen should be the best of both worlds; speedy text input, and an app customisable input when you want it. In practice it just muddies the GUI. Touchscreen only is nowhere near perfect, but worse is the G1.
A non-replaceable battery isn't perfect, but then the only device I've ever owned where I have replaced the battery is my work camera, and I would imagine that I'm with the majority there.
*By the way, I believe Nokia and not SE produced the first mp3 phone.
Nokia didn't manufacture several lines of massively successful portable music players, including the first widespread success in the form of the walkman.
My argument doesn't become less valid because I called him out on his bullshit, and it certainly doesn't give him the right to ignore it.
Pardon the double-post, but honestly? It kinda does.
You had a fairly reasoned, well-formed argument. And then you went and crapped on the thread.
Listen, you want to be taken seriously? Take everyone else seriously. Using perjorative terms like "fanboi" doesn't promote discourse, it inhibits it. Point out logical flaws sure, but don't use ridiculous and insulting strawman arguments to do so.
When I read this thread, you're the one who comes off as the slavering fanatic, unable to consider anyone else's opinion and unwilling to change his own. Am I right in that? I dunno. But that's the impression you're giving. You're just not helping your cause with the way you're acting.
Apple didn't invent shit, they flat out stole the interface from Creative.
I think that's pretty much it. It isn't that I said he was wrong. If you actually have been reading the thread, you'd see that I've agreed with him on several things, even when most of the thread totally disagrees. Please point out in this thread where I've been a "slavering fanatic" towards a particular brand, product, or anything else. I love technology, but I have high standards for it and I think it's bullshit when people cut corners on things or refuse to make improvements.
So yes, if you simply looked at this post and this page, you would see me as strawmanning him hardcore, but rest assured, that is not the case.
There's a difference between not being anti-marketing, and actually thinking that marketing is a value-add for the consumer.
What does that mean, "It works well"?
I mean, Opera on my HTC Touch Pro "works well".
Hell, I always thought that mobile IE on my Treo700wx "worked well"
As far as qualifiers go, "well" is not high up there.
I guess I was expecting some kind of quantifiable functions...
I like Opera Mobile, but it's hamstrung by WinMo's resistive touch screens.
can you explain any actual noticeable differences on the user end?
what exactly is that issue in terms of actual usability, not just buzzwords?
I've used capacitive touch screens and I've used resistive touch screens. I didn't feel that one was some how more "internetty" than the other.
Don't get all defensive all of the sudden.
Folks seem to be in agreement that the iPhone has some how innovated mobile webbrowsing, or is in some way the "best" platform for mobile webbrowsing. (If YOU weren't one of the people who was making that claim, then you are NOT the person who should have been answering my question.)
I'd like that explained to me. I'm not trying to call anyone out, I'm just trying to figure out WHY this is being said.
Even if it's a matter of personal preference, there has to be something there that one prefers.
Edit: I also like the 'flick' scrolling, the fact that it doesn't take 30 seconds to run javascript, the fact that it doesn't crash on overly complex sites -- but those were possibly hardware issues with the 700w.
that may have more to do with the screen being inset or not. My HTC Touch Pro works fine with my thumb.
Or are you maybe talking about zoom level on webpages, which is an interface thing that can be done in more ways than just the iphone "pinch". on my Touch Pro I have a little rign that I can run my thumb around that will allow me to zoom in or zoom out on webpages, google maps, and many other things.