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    stiliststilist Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I'm only watching the crappy Real stream, but it certainly seems professional enough.

    Also, this story about Zimbabwe's petrol. :shock:

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    JinniganJinnigan Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I grabbed MPC vanilla at work and I'm unable to get this working.

    Does anyone know what codec is required?

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    stiliststilist Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Jinnigan wrote:
    I grabbed MPC vanilla at work and I'm unable to get this working.

    Does anyone know what codec is required?
    http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Real_Alternative.htm

    When you configure RealAlternative (last step after installation), be sure to pick a realistic bandwidth, or you won't get any video. You can change the configuration whenever, if you let it put the stuff in the start menu.

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    DeepQantasDeepQantas Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Hmm. Those mass kidnappings of government officials in Iraq sound like Real Bad Stuff (tm). :|

    Don't just take my word for it, tho:
    http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/topstories.aspx?ID=BD4A318217

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    DelzhandDelzhand Hard to miss. Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    DeepQantas wrote:
    In general the bias seems... cautious. It's there, but not blatantly so.

    If the coverage of Israel-Palestine conflict there is their worst (ie. they mentioned Israel's side of the issue, but mainly covered what things looked like in Palestine) then I'd say the channel is way ahead of Fox News. ;)


    I love the whole "internationality" angle. Like... police brutality in Zimbabwe? Who the heck would care about Zimbabwe? That reporter had cool accent as well. :P

    Also, Al Jazeera's theme music reminds me of Eve Online so that's a plus. ;)

    Fox's bias is far more apparent.

    anyone who hasn't seen it should go rent Control Room too.

    We're actually watching that in Religion 205 today (started last Friday). Good documentary, fairly even handed. I think that it's a good sign of balanced reporting - the US thinks it's biased against them, and some middle eastern governments declare it's biased towards the US.

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    stiliststilist Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Points for covering Darfur.

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    JCMJCM Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Speaking as a Muslim convert, I can say this, English Aljazeera does a good job of filtering the arab propaganda, and should be read for an opinion of "the other side"

    Just dont ever watch the Arabic Al-jazeera. :shock:

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    an_altan_alt Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    So how's the sports coverage?

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    DeepQantasDeepQantas Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Sparse.

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    GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    stilist wrote:
    Points for covering Darfur.
    Bonus points for (apparently, since I'm at school right now and can't watch) covering it as the second story.

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    JinniganJinnigan Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    David Frost? Where have I heard that name before?

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    stiliststilist Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Jinnigan wrote:
    David Frost? Where have I heard that name before?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Frost_%28broadcaster%29

    :?:

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    DeepQantasDeepQantas Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Hm. Caught a detail there that I had to follow up...

    The Al Jazeera cameraman/"enemy combatant" held in Guantanamo Bay:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_Al_Hajj


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    DeepQantasDeepQantas Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Ooh! Some action is possibly starting on the Gaza strip tonight.

    Explosion heard live on AJ.

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    JCMJCM Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Damn... am I the onlyone who's tired of feeling sad for the whole Israeli shooting flies with rockets and Palestinians blowing others up cycle that never ends? They deserve each other, really.

    Great wiki article on Sami Al Hajj

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    TroubledTomTroubledTom regular
    edited November 2006
    DeepQantas wrote:
    ? Who the heck would care about Zimbabwe?

    This could be a problem for them, if they expect people to watch once the initial curiosity fades.

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    The SpecialistThe Specialist Happy Face Happy PlaceRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    See I love this and I wish like hell I got the station here.

    But I have little to no faith in my fellow Americans, I think prejudice will prevail here and they won't have much success in getting picked up by any of the big carriers.

    I feel like writing to Comcast. But I know it won't change anything.

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    entropykidentropykid Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    See I love this and I wish like hell I got the station here.

    But I have little to no faith in my fellow Americans, I think prejudice will prevail here and they won't have much success in getting picked up by any of the big carriers.

    Prejudice against Arabs/Muslims in America? Naw...just because the government and media have worked over time 24/7 in the last 5 years to try and make every Arab/Muslim look like afanged soul sucking monster.
    The media's portrayal of Arabs/Muslims in the last 5 years reminds me of how the Nazi propaganda war machine protrayed the Jews.
    an_alt wrote:
    So how's the sports coverage?

    Good thing is, you won't see a white wash on important geo events, saturated by Hollywood celebrity worship and sports obession.
    JCM wrote:
    Speaking as a Muslim convert, I can say this, English Aljazeera does a good job of filtering the arab propaganda, and should be read for an opinion of "the other side"

    Just dont ever watch the Arabic Al-jazeera. :shock:

    What's wrong with the Arabic Al Jazeera? I've only heard good things about it.
    DeepQantas wrote:
    If the coverage of Israel-Palestine conflict there is their worst (ie. they mentioned Israel's side of the issue, but mainly covered what things looked like in Palestine) then I'd say the channel is way ahead of Fox News. ;)

    Well in America, you're a Nazi if you dare criticize Israel or do not support their dehumanization or brutal aggression against Palestinians and Lebanese.

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    DelzhandDelzhand Hard to miss. Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    entropykid wrote:
    DeepQantas wrote:
    If the coverage of Israel-Palestine conflict there is their worst (ie. they mentioned Israel's side of the issue, but mainly covered what things looked like in Palestine) then I'd say the channel is way ahead of Fox News. ;)

    Well in America, you're a Nazi if you dare criticize Israel or do not support their dehumanization or brutal aggression against Palestinians and Lebanese.

    It's an odd thing, too - anti-semitism is a powerful label. But wait, muslims are a semitic people, too, go figure.

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    BandettaBandetta Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    mcc wrote:
    Now, when you say "their antics in the past", do you mean something they actually did, or something a secondhand report on American TV news vaguely mentioning them doing?

    Just curious.

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    (Forgive me if I wrongfully perceive them as a propaganda network, this guy is all I remember about Al-Jazeera's coverage of the war)

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    ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited November 2006
    Bandetta wrote:
    mcc wrote:
    Now, when you say "their antics in the past", do you mean something they actually did, or something a secondhand report on American TV news vaguely mentioning them doing?

    Just curious.

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    (Forgive me if I wrongfully perceive them as a propaganda network, this guy is all I remember about Al-Jazeera's coverage of the war)

    Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf: "I blame Al-Jazeera - they are marketing for the Americans!"

    "Just look carefully, I only want you to look carefully. Do not repeat the lies of liars. Do not become like them. Once again, I blame al-Jazeera before it ascertains what takes place. Please, make sure of what you say and do not play such a role. "


    Let's all blame Al Jazeera. Fucking terrorists.


    And yes, I remember their coverage. I actually watched the damn thing.

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    ALockslyALocksly Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    And Fox broadcasts Bush when he starts spewing bullshit from his piehole

    watcherpoint?

    (not you Elk)

    edit: I think they were laughing at this guy as much as we were.

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    BandettaBandetta Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Oh, okay. I wasn't being assertive about it, just saying that he was my only exposure to the network. My bad.

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    stiliststilist Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    How surprising, American mainstream media reports Al Jazeera as being the terrorists' media. After all, it's in Arabic, they cover topics about the Middle East, they must be terrorists!

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    The chances of the company I work for (shaw cable) carrying this are very low which really sucks but I think I am going to suggest this to higher ups and see.

    Does ANYONE in canada currently carry it or plan on it?

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    LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Aridhol wrote:
    The chances of the company I work for (shaw cable) carrying this are very low which really sucks but I think I am going to suggest this to higher ups and see.

    Does ANYONE in canada currently carry it or plan on it?

    That would be appreciated.

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    ALockslyALocksly Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Press coverage:

    Update from Australia

    "Unlike other news networks, Al-Jazeera English is striving to offer international news from multiple perspectives, free of any geographic or cultural reference points"

    Update from Canada

    "They clearly want to differentiate themselves from the BBC and CNN by representing developing countries," he said. "It will take some time to see whether they can do that and still keep broad appeal. That may limit their audience."

    Update from the US

    "At the same time, the U.S. State Department says Al Jazeera is considered the most free and unfettered broadcast source in the Arab world."

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    JCMJCM Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    entropykid wrote:
    JCM wrote:
    Speaking as a Muslim convert, I can say this, English Aljazeera does a good job of filtering the arab propaganda, and should be read for an opinion of "the other side"

    Just dont ever watch the Arabic Al-jazeera. :shock:

    What's wrong with the Arabic Al Jazeera? I've only heard good things about it.

    The dehumanization of Israel, for example. Israel is in the same boat as US was, an unpopular government ruled by a few airheads controlled by hawks,fighting an unpopular war. The fact that many times the one blowing themselves up and killing innocent people arent called terrorists.

    I understand their hatred, but damn, its like watching Bizarro Fox, where only their side is right. Maybe Im used to living in the second neutral country in the world, we just kinda dont take sides (whch is why even small-timers like Bolivia can screw us. :( )

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    FallingmanFallingman Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Apologies, as I can find the source, but I remember reading that prior to the war (this one) Al Jazeera was considered one of the least biased news agencies in the world.

    I think they fell out of favour once they aired terrorist tapes - which was technically simply "choosing not to censor". Despite however "tasteless" it might seem to me. I will defend anyones rights to disagree with me.

    A quick lazy Wkipedia will show:
    In November 2005, Al Jazeera was awarded by Index on Censorship for its "courage in circumventing censorship and contributing to the free exchange of information in the Arab world."[29]
    In April 2004, Webby Awards nominated Al Jazeera as one of the five best news Web sites, along with BBC News, National Geographic, RocketNews and The Smoking Gun. According to Tifanny Schlain, the founder of the Webby Awards, this caused a controversy as [other media organisations] "felt it was a risk-taking site,".[30]
    In December 1999, Ibn Rushd (Averoes) Fund for Freedom of Thought in Berlin awarded the "Ibn Rushd Award" for media and journalism for the year to Al Jazeera.[31]

    I've actually heard of politicians calling them "widely accepted as a front for Al Queda" - if you consider the attention they received from the US govt... that would be pretty impressive counter-intelligence if they actually were...

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    So I brought this up with a couple supervisors and the short answer is not anytime soon and the long answer is "No one in Canada seems to give a shit and we've not had any requests for it, at least at a regional level"


    So...anyone on Shaw cable maybe email or call in and say "hey why don't you guys have Al Jazeera?" Someone IS listening believe it or not.

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    DeepQantasDeepQantas Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Woah. Listening Post analyzing how the news is (or isn't) being reported is pretty kickass. :)

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    hitheremynameisbobhitheremynameisbob Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Honestly, I'm not all that excited about Al Jazeera coming over here. I, too, regularly visit and post on their English website, and I have to say their viewpoints are too biased to even remotely resemble "news." While I haven't seen much evidence to disprove anything they say, they are intentionally biased against both Israel and the US. While they do communicate with Israeli officials, which has lost them favor with several Islamic nations, they are far from "pro-Israel." The only reason they bother with even minimal contact with the Jewish state is that no international community would take them seriously if they did what the other extremist organizations in the area want: disavowing any aknowledgement of Israel as a nation or a country. If you read the articles on their website, all you will find is anti-Israeli and anti-western bias, and very selective journalism.

    They also have a very conservative viewpoint with regards to women: One of my female relatives was once interviewed by an Al-Jazeera reporter (She works in the oil business) and they were very derogatory during the interview. They were acusatory and aggressive in their attempt to get her to admit that she cheated and lied her way up, because they didn't think that it was right that she has men working under her. I'm not going to judge the entire company based on one incident, but I've seen more than enough articles and interviews on the site to convince me that this is not an organization that wants what's best for the US and her allies.

    Of course, I'm very much for freedom of the press, and I welcome Al Jazeera to attempt to establish a presence here. I just worry that in a time of so much skepticism one of two things may happen: either they will be run out, or they will establish a serious base viewership that may, in the end, just lead to more un-deserved criticism and anti-Americanism abroad. That's the last thing we need right now.

    Only time will tell though. I hope they become a little more moderate and that they enjoy success with their new venture. I just encourage people to take a good, long look at what they hear from Al Jazeera. For that matter, be just as skeptical about NBC, Fox, CBS, and all the others. Everyone has an agenda.

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    Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    convince me that this is not an organization that wants what's best for the US and her allies.

    Out of curiosity, why does a media company have to want what's best for the US to be credible?

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    redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Nova_C wrote:
    convince me that this is not an organization that wants what's best for the US and her allies.

    Out of curiosity, why does a media company have to want what's best for the US to be credible?

    because americans are stupid and shouldn't be exposed to oposition viewpoints because they are incapable of making decisions for themself.

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    hitheremynameisbobhitheremynameisbob Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Strangely enough, that's partly correct.

    I never said that their not having the US's best interests in mind made me question their credibility, it's just something I don't like about Al Jazeera.

    However, I think Americans have become jaded enough over the past several years to latch onto or strike out against almost any opposing ideas. I think Al Jazeera might just encourage some polar reactions or either extreme support or extreme opposition. I don't want to see people starting to think women are inferior any more than I want to see another anti-Islamic backlash.

    It's things like their selective journalism (Rarely will they cover a story showing the effects of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict on Israeli civilians, but Palestinian sob stories are up there every day) and their pre-disposed bias towards the west (They never acknowledge that maybe the US and the rest of the Western nations are acting to protect their own citizens... just that they are acting to hurt Muslims or steal their oil, ect...) They refuse to cover more than one side of issues, and that is what makes them incredible, irresponsible journalists. I'm not going to say that the same doesn't happen over here, but the extent to which it does is much more tolerable than the degrees to which Al Jazeera doctors and selects its material.

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    ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited November 2006
    While they do communicate with Israeli officials, which has lost them favor with several Islamic nations, they are far from "pro-Israel." The only reason they bother with even minimal contact with the Jewish state is that no international community would take them seriously if they did what the other extremist organizations in the area want: disavowing any aknowledgement of Israel as a nation or a country. If you read the articles on their website, all you will find is anti-Israeli and anti-western bias, and very selective journalism.
    They were interviewing Israeli officials on their Arabic channel long before people in West knew Al Jazeera from kos-mak. Yeah, sometimes people don't give a shit what you think, and everything is not about you.

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    hitheremynameisbobhitheremynameisbob Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Funny that you claim that an organization that is trying to expand into the West doesn't care what the West thinks.

    On a serious note: they DO, and always have cared what the West thought. The Middle East would be ridiculously third-world if not for Western investments and aid. Thus, an Arabic news station, especially one based in Saudi, (And state-run, at that) needs to reflect this. How would it appear is one of the biggest Western-reliant nations in the region had it's own news station acting like Israel was invalid and the enemy? There's no way they weren't being told from higher-up to treat Israel better than the would have if left to their own devices.

    It doesn't even matter who the viewers were, as long as ISRAEL knew. Who do the US and UN have the most interaction with in the region? Israel. What would have happened if all the sudden Israel comes crying to the US and UN about how Saudi, a supposedly friendly nation, is sponsoring anti-Israeli broadcasts and not giving them a fair say? It sure wouldn't have worked out well for Saudi, that's for sure.

    I don't think everything is about us, don't get so aggresive and argumentative about this. If you disagree, say so politely, and leave room for other's opinions and interpretations. None of us will every be 100% correct on something, especially when talking about politics.

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    ALockslyALocksly Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Funny that you claim that an organization that is trying to expand into the West doesn't care what the West thinks.

    On a serious note: they DO, and always have cared what the West thought. The Middle East would be ridiculously third-world if not for Western investments and aid. Thus, an Arabic news station, especially one based in Saudi, (And state-run, at that) needs to reflect this. How would it appear is one of the biggest Western-reliant nations in the region had it's own news station acting like Israel was invalid and the enemy? There's no way they weren't being told from higher-up to treat Israel better than the would have if left to their own devices.

    It doesn't even matter who the viewers were, as long as ISRAEL knew. Who do the US and UN have the most interaction with in the region? Israel. What would have happened if all the sudden Israel comes crying to the US and UN about how Saudi, a supposedly friendly nation, is sponsoring anti-Israeli broadcasts and not giving them a fair say? It sure wouldn't have worked out well for Saudi, that's for sure.

    I don't think everything is about us, don't get so aggresive and argumentative about this. If you disagree, say so politely, and leave room for other's opinions and interpretations. None of us will every be 100% correct on something, especially when talking about politics.

    Umm, actually it's not state run and its not from Saudi. In fact, Saudi even banned them from opening a beureu once.

    quote from the 2nd link at the beginning of this thread:

    "The station was founded in the 1990s by a grant from the emir of Qatar, and is viewed by an estimated 50 million people. It claims to be the only politically independent television station in the Middle East; while it does still receive subsidies from the Qatari emir, it is quite different from the various state-sponsored stations in that region. Because it's relatively independent, many viewers see it as a more reliable alternative to the programming from their governments."

    edit: and from the link below:

    "When he came to power in 1995, the emir calculated that hosting a popular television network would help Qatar shore up Western support in the event that Iran, Iraq, or Saudi Arabia should decide to invade. The gamble paid off, both for Al Jazeera and for the emir."

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    ALockslyALocksly Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    here is some more info regarding common preconceptions of Al Jazeera

    quote from second page:

    "Knowing it is scrutinized more rigorously than any other news channel in the world, Al Jazeera is fastidious in presenting all sides of a story. Certainly compared to most other Arab news stations, Al Jazeera remains a model of professionalism and objectivity. Journalists around the world treat Al Jazeera with the same respect they treat news from any other major international news network. Al Jazeera has sharing agreements with CNN, ABC, NBC, FOX, BBC, Japan’s NHK, and Germany’s ZDF, all of which regularly use Al Jazeera’s footage and reports."


    also, regarding censorship:

    "Despite its dependence on the state, Al Jazeera regularly criticizes Arab regimes, including Qatar’s. For example, when a coup to depose the emir was foiled in February 1996 and the plotters put on trial, proceedings were televised live on Al Jazeera—a first in the Arab world."

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    ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited November 2006
    Funny that you claim that an organization that is trying to expand into the West doesn't care what the West thinks.
    The interviews you were referring to happened long before Al Jazeera had any plans to make an English channel, and long before people in the West cared about what they did, so no, Western opinion didn't have much to do with their decision to do that.
    On a serious note: they DO, and always have cared what the West thought. The Middle East would be ridiculously third-world if not for Western investments and aid. Thus, an Arabic news station, especially one based in Saudi, (And state-run, at that) needs to reflect this. How would it appear is one of the biggest Western-reliant nations in the region had it's own news station acting like Israel was invalid and the enemy? There's no way they weren't being told from higher-up to treat Israel better than the would have if left to their own devices.

    It doesn't even matter who the viewers were, as long as ISRAEL knew. Who do the US and UN have the most interaction with in the region? Israel. What would have happened if all the sudden Israel comes crying to the US and UN about how Saudi, a supposedly friendly nation, is sponsoring anti-Israeli broadcasts and not giving them a fair say? It sure wouldn't have worked out well for Saudi, that's for sure.

    I don't think everything is about us, don't get so aggresive and argumentative about this. If you disagree, say so politely, and leave room for other's opinions and interpretations. None of us will every be 100% correct on something, especially when talking about politics.
    Al Jazeera is a Qatar based channel, and easily the Arab channel that's most critical of Saudi Arabia. It's banned in Saudi Arabia, like it is in many other Arab countries. Its existence was one of the main reasons Al Arabiya was founded, and the Saudi stranglehold on the Arabic advertising market is why Al Jazeera can't convert its popularity into equal profits.

    But feel free to construct your own reality. You obviously have strong views about what you don't know.

    Should I leave now?

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