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Israel on Monday banned Arab political parties from running in next month's parliamentary elections, drawing accusations of racism by an Arab lawmaker who said he would challenge the decision in the country's Supreme Court.
So, in Israel, if you are not part of a Jewish political party, you are not allowed to run for office anymore.
By doing this, Israel has forfeited any claim to being a democracy, and is inching closer and closer to total apartheid. This is racism at its most basic. Is there any chance of the supreme court overturning this? Even if they do, will their decision be followed? It seems as of late that the court speaks and no one listens.
I see this possibly setting off a violent uprising in Israel itself.
(This should be kept separate from the Gaza thread, because this isn't about the war, it's about Israel's internal politics.)
They know they will lose power if they don't do this. Demographics are against them and though it is disgusting, I am completely unsurprised.
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I don't know much about this situation, but I think it sparks an interesting corrollary question: is it ever right to ban a party? What if all those parties really did support terrorists?
They're a vaguely democratic theocracy. What do you expect? They're basically as fucked up as most of the other countries in the region. Why we've decided that their particular brand of fucked-upness means we give them shitloads of aid and support and tell everyone else in the region to fuck off, I don't know.
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I don't know much about this situation, but I think it sparks an interesting corrollary question: is it ever right to ban a party? What if all those parties really did support terrorists?
They're a vaguely democratic theocracy. What do you expect? They're basically as fucked up as most of the other countries in the region. Why we've decided that their particular brand of fucked-upness means we give them shitloads of aid and support and tell everyone else in the region to fuck off, I don't know.
Because they have supporters that spend lots of money on K Street?
I don't know much about this situation, but I think it sparks an interesting corrollary question: is it ever right to ban a party? What if all those parties really did support terrorists?
I don't know much about this situation, but I think it sparks an interesting corrollary question: is it ever right to ban a party? What if all those parties really did support terrorists?
They're basically completely disenfranchising 20% of their electorate (who was really only getting ten percent of the representation to begin with).
I think Israel is just defining "anyone who has ever been inside a Mosque" as a terrorist. See, that way, they don't feel so bad about the senseless slaughter and apartheid.
I don't know much about this situation, but I think it sparks an interesting corrollary question: is it ever right to ban a party? What if all those parties really did support terrorists?
I don't know much about this situation, but I think it sparks an interesting corrollary question: is it ever right to ban a party? What if all those parties really did support terrorists?
Do you really want us to go into a discussion of the background of Likud (which nobody argues should be removed?)
I don't know much about this situation, but I think it sparks an interesting corrollary question: is it ever right to ban a party? What if all those parties really did support terrorists?
If they were providing actual support (money, people) to the terrorists, there are already tools in place to deal with that. Banning a party just because they lend moral/rhetorical support to terrorists is straight up bullshit.
Neocons with Stars of David instead of crucifixes.
You...you do know that a sizable contingent of neocons were hawkish Jews who supported Israel, right? To the point that people have tried to argue that "neocon" is an anti-Semitic slur?
I don't know much about this situation, but I think it sparks an interesting corrollary question: is it ever right to ban a party? What if all those parties really did support terrorists?
Do you really want us to go into a discussion of the background of Likud (which nobody argues should be removed?)
No, probably not.
By the way I should have added that I wasn't saying they were justified, I was just speaking rhetorically. ;-)
I don't know much about this situation, but I think it sparks an interesting corrollary question: is it ever right to ban a party? What if all those parties really did support terrorists?
No.
Yeah, I don't care if it's the Murder Babies and Lynch All Them Darkies Party. Let them organize.
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I don't know much about this situation, but I think it sparks an interesting corrollary question: is it ever right to ban a party? What if all those parties really did support terrorists?
Do you really want us to go into a discussion of the background of Likud (which nobody argues should be removed?)
No, probably not.
By the way I should have added that I wasn't saying they were justified, I was just speaking rhetorically. ;-)
Well, the answer is no. Remember, Britain got a LOT more mileage out of treating Sinn Fein as a legitimate political actor than they ever did trying to conflate it with the IRA.
First of all- this is terribad and there's no defense of it.
Second, there is some dramatization here. What happened is that the two Arab parties in Knesset- Balad and United Arab List-Ta'al- are being disqualified from the upcoming election. This isn't a ban on 'all Arab parties' in general (however, there happen to be only two). They were individual, faceted motions, not a comprehensive ban on Arab parties in general.
Also, I'll note that these are the first parties banned since the 80s- when a party was banned for advocacy of expelling all Arabs from Israel.
This action isn't defensible, but it is what it is- not what some of ya'll are choosing to extrapolate it to.
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Well, I'm sure discussion in the U.S. media will be quashed by charges of anti-Semitism leveled willy-nilly.
The Israeli Supreme Court seems more sane on these issues, so hopefully they can overturn this.
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First of all- this is terribad and there's no defense of it.
Second, there is some dramatization here. What happened is that the two Arab parties in Knesset- Balad and United Arab List-Ta'al- are being disqualified from the upcoming election. This isn't a ban on 'all Arab parties' in general (however, there happen to be only two). They were individual, faceted motions, not a comprehensive ban on Arab parties in general.
Also, I'll note that these are the first parties banned since the 80s- when a party was banned for advocacy of expelling all Arabs for Israel.
This action isn't defensible, but it is what it is- not what some of ya'll are choosing to extrapolate it to.
I'll lay money that it's too late to get any new Arab parties on the ballot for the February election.
So, how is it not what we're choosing to extrapolate? Also, did anyone other than the Arab parties vote against this? Or is it basically two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner?
First of all- this is terribad and there's no defense of it.
Second, there is some dramatization here. What happened is that the two Arab parties in Knesset- Balad and United Arab List-Ta'al- are being disqualified from the upcoming election. This isn't a ban on 'all Arab parties' in general (however, there happen to be only two). They were individual, faceted motions, not a comprehensive ban on Arab parties in general.
Also, I'll note that these are the first parties banned since the 80s- when a party was banned for advocacy of expelling all Arabs for Israel.
This action isn't defensible, but it is what it is- not what some of ya'll are choosing to extrapolate it to.
Okay, here's the million dollar question - how the fuck do you think this looks to the rest of the world? Seriously - Israel is waging a one-sided war while the rest of the world looks on in horror, and then ejects from its government two Arab political parties on the behest of the ultranationalist wing that provoked the war in the first place.
You know, when I equated the position of Israeli Arabs with the position of Southern Black Americans in the 60s, you told me that I was being hyperbolic and it wasn't that bad. Somehow, after this turn of events, I think you owe me an apology.
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Seriously, invading a neighboring country then implementing restrictions on who among their citizens can participate in their own democrocy.
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I'm not terribly surprised, but...
Way to prove Jimmy Carter right, though.
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Pfft, that Anti-Semite.
Though of all the things Israel has done/could do this doesn't seem terribly surprising to me.
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the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I'd find that incredibly hard to believe.
Because they have supporters that spend lots of money on K Street?
If it holds up in court, total clusterfuck.
no. stop.
Or trolling. Most likely the worst of both.
I think Israel is just defining "anyone who has ever been inside a Mosque" as a terrorist. See, that way, they don't feel so bad about the senseless slaughter and apartheid.
No.
Do you really want us to go into a discussion of the background of Likud (which nobody argues should be removed?)
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Well, God Bless America.
If they were providing actual support (money, people) to the terrorists, there are already tools in place to deal with that. Banning a party just because they lend moral/rhetorical support to terrorists is straight up bullshit.
You...you do know that a sizable contingent of neocons were hawkish Jews who supported Israel, right? To the point that people have tried to argue that "neocon" is an anti-Semitic slur?
By the way I should have added that I wasn't saying they were justified, I was just speaking rhetorically. ;-)
Yeah, I don't care if it's the Murder Babies and Lynch All Them Darkies Party. Let them organize.
Well, the answer is no. Remember, Britain got a LOT more mileage out of treating Sinn Fein as a legitimate political actor than they ever did trying to conflate it with the IRA.
Second, there is some dramatization here. What happened is that the two Arab parties in Knesset- Balad and United Arab List-Ta'al- are being disqualified from the upcoming election. This isn't a ban on 'all Arab parties' in general (however, there happen to be only two). They were individual, faceted motions, not a comprehensive ban on Arab parties in general.
Also, I'll note that these are the first parties banned since the 80s- when a party was banned for advocacy of expelling all Arabs from Israel.
This action isn't defensible, but it is what it is- not what some of ya'll are choosing to extrapolate it to.
It always is.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Probably something about protecting Israelis from rocket attacks from inside the party headquarters.
So, how is it not what we're choosing to extrapolate? Also, did anyone other than the Arab parties vote against this? Or is it basically two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner?
Okay, here's the million dollar question - how the fuck do you think this looks to the rest of the world? Seriously - Israel is waging a one-sided war while the rest of the world looks on in horror, and then ejects from its government two Arab political parties on the behest of the ultranationalist wing that provoked the war in the first place.
You know, when I equated the position of Israeli Arabs with the position of Southern Black Americans in the 60s, you told me that I was being hyperbolic and it wasn't that bad. Somehow, after this turn of events, I think you owe me an apology.