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The end of an era (seriously!)

MeissnerdMeissnerd Registered User regular
edited January 2009 in Social Entropy++
So George W. Bush is leaving office in a few days, ending his eight year term as President of the United States. There's an interesting article I read from the BBC about how neo conservatism might be on the way out alongside Mr. Bush:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7825039.stm

It's definitely an opinion piece, but it brings up some interesting points, specifically how a relatively small group of people can obtain so much power.

What do you guys think of all of this? Is Bush's legacy an unsightly blemish on American history, or just not appreciated yet? Does the neo-conservative philosophy have any merits?

Let's argue incessently for 100 pages.

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  • WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Cheney will blow up Alderan tomorrow and we'll all be a galactic empire within a month.

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  • MeissnerdMeissnerd Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    hooray images

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  • KovakKovak did a lot of drugs married cher?Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    the double glasses is such a perfect touch

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  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    exactly

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  • MeissnerdMeissnerd Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    you guys maybe wanna post some lolcats

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    neo-conservativism was really a rejection of most conservative principles

    we all just need to listen to P.J. O'Rourke more

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  • BigDesBigDes Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I like the way he had time to change his suit twice.

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  • KrunkMcGrunkKrunkMcGrunk Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Alright, I liked that comic.

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Meissnerd wrote: »
    you guys maybe wanna post some lolcats

    How about some lolbushez

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  • CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Ffffuuuuckkkiing so long for this.

    It's like the election, I blew my load and was like "... and?" I mean, I'm still in some sort of fucking shock about this whole god forsaken ordeal.

    FUCK I hate bush.

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  • BigDesBigDes Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Remember when they used to call it compassionate conservatism?

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    BigDes wrote: »
    Remember when they used to call it compassionate conservatism?

    That was when they fucked you in the ass, but used lube.

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  • MeissnerdMeissnerd Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    BigDes wrote: »
    Remember when they used to call it compassionate conservatism?

    He was stressing that after his last press conference.

    Apparently he said 'misunderestimate' at that press conference though.

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Meissnerd wrote: »
    What do you guys think of all of this? Is Bush's legacy an unsightly blemish on American history, or just not appreciated yet? Does the neo-conservative philosophy have any merits?

    Let's argue incessently for 100 pages.

    Even looking back years from now I think Bush will be considered one of the worst presidents we have ever had.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited January 2009
    I don't think he will be remembered as poorly as many people like to make him out to be.

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  • KovakKovak did a lot of drugs married cher?Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    i like p j o'rourke cause he is a funny man

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Marathon wrote: »
    Meissnerd wrote: »
    What do you guys think of all of this? Is Bush's legacy an unsightly blemish on American history, or just not appreciated yet? Does the neo-conservative philosophy have any merits?

    Let's argue incessently for 100 pages.

    Even looking back years from now I think Bush will be considered one of the worst presidents we have ever had.
    I'm sure that's how the South feels about Lincoln, too.

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  • KrunkMcGrunkKrunkMcGrunk Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    He'll probably be remembered about as well as Carter.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    honestly, I think Bush will be looked at as a mediocre president in interesting times

    although a lot of his legacy will no doubt be colored by how Iraq fares in the upcoming years, which I'm actually feeling more optimistic about lately

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  • CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    robothero wrote: »
    I don't think he will be remembered as poorly as many people like to make him out to be.
    How do you figure?

    See, the thing is that he is the worst president we've ever had. And that's saying a fuckin' lot.

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  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    the sad thing is that it won't even matter that bush is gone, as there are enough problems to make the next 4 years a living hell for obama.

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  • CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    He'll probably be remembered about as well as Carter.
    Negatory.

    Carter is remembered as being inept and pretty much ineffective. Bush will be remembered for being inept and counterproductive to the extreme.

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  • BigDesBigDes Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    He'll probably be remembered about as well as Carter.

    But he's history's greatest monster!

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    robothero wrote: »
    I don't think he will be remembered as poorly as many people like to make him out to be.

    Iraq
    Handling of Katrina
    Outing a CIA agent over political squabbles
    Record deficits
    Energy crisis
    Watching the economy fail due to lack of regulation after being anti-regulation

    He screwed the pooch, and his legacy is shit.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited January 2009
    Callius wrote: »
    robothero wrote: »
    I don't think he will be remembered as poorly as many people like to make him out to be.
    How do you figure?

    See, the thing is that he is the worst president we've ever had. And that's saying a fuckin' lot.

    Millard Fillmore is worse.

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  • MeissnerdMeissnerd Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Hunter wrote: »
    robothero wrote: »
    I don't think he will be remembered as poorly as many people like to make him out to be.

    Iraq
    Handling of Katrina
    Outing a CIA agent over political squabbles
    Record deficits
    Energy crisis
    Watching the economy fail due to lack of regulation after being anti-regulation

    He screwed the pooch, and his legacy is shit.

    Wire tapping
    Patriot Act
    Afghanistan

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  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    But he speaks so well!

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  • satansfingerssatansfingers Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    his farewell address is postponing the spring premiere of the office

    this will not fucking stand

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  • Dangerou-DaveDangerou-Dave __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    I'm pretty sure neo conservatism is on its way out.

    However, not for good. There will always be foreign policy hawks, from the Roman senators that urged the destruction of Carthage, to Bush himself. A minimal welfare bureaucracy is something that will probably waver back and forth in this country as well, at least for the time being.

    Though Fukuyama kind of fucked it up after the end of the cold war, I think the fact that he wrote this book:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_at_the_Crossroads

    Is pretty telling, considering he used to be a big neocon.

    But, I mean, I dunno. I studied political science and got a degree, but it's about as useful as a box of rocks, so I could be totally wrong.
    I'm thinking about writing a big piece on the difference in experiences that I had obtaining a political science degree vs. a journalism degree. One gives you monetary value and valuable skills...the other is kind of bullshit, unless you're planning on either teaching political science or going to law school.

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Honestly, the one thing I thought an oil man from Texas wouldn't fuck up would be our energy policy. Sure, it would rape the environment and be pro-oil, but it would be there and we wouldn't have 4 dollar a gallon gas to deal with for months on end.


    Whooooops!

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  • MeissnerdMeissnerd Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I think the thing I'm most looking forward to with him gone is all the same jokes we've been hearing for eight years vanishing

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited January 2009
    Zachary Taylor was a dick



    freakin Whig party, buncha clowns.

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  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I think people underestimate how bad some other presidents were.
    Andrew Johnson
    Ulysses Grant
    Warren Harding

    If you think Bush is the worst America's had, you're clearly not trying hard enough. I for one think he'll be remembered better than most people think, if for no other reason than his approval rating is so low right now I can't imagine it getting lower.

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    his farewell address is postponing the spring premiere of the office

    this will not fucking stand

    One last "fuck you" to america on his way out.

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Honestly, it will be nice to be viewed as a nation of rational and intelligent people again. Bush was an embarrassment as a leader. The living stereotype the world likes to mock America as being. Just having a man in office that can speak his chosen language correctly is a huge step forward.

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