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The Grammatical Gauntlet has been thrown!

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    QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    JoeUser wrote: »
    They're the same, for all intensive purposes.
    JoeUser wrote: »
    They're the same, for all intensive purposes.
    JoeUser wrote: »
    They're the same, for all intensive purposes.
    JoeUser wrote: »
    They're the same, for all intensive purposes.

    this is one of my biggest pet peeves

    Quoth on
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    Vann DirasVann Diras Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    joe does have a point, though

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    Skull ManSkull Man RIP KUSU Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    it's "intents and purposes" isn't it?

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    QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    joe does have a point, though

    he most certainly does not

    efficiency is maximum output with minimum effort

    laziness is lack of effort with no regard for output

    Quoth on
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    DE?ADDE?AD Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Quoth wrote: »
    JoeUser wrote: »
    They're the same, for all intensive purposes.
    JoeUser wrote: »
    They're the same, for all intensive purposes.
    JoeUser wrote: »
    They're the same, for all intensive purposes.
    JoeUser wrote: »
    They're the same, for all intensive purposes.

    this is one of my biggest pet peeves

    You really shouldn't take such things for granite.

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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    joe does have a point, though
    no, he really doesnt

    laziness is the unwillingness to do something

    effeciency is the ability to find a way to do something using less effort

    definitely a difference. also, see quoth's post for a more upscale version of this

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    QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    DE?AD wrote: »
    Quoth wrote: »
    JoeUser wrote: »
    They're the same, for all intensive purposes.
    JoeUser wrote: »
    They're the same, for all intensive purposes.
    JoeUser wrote: »
    They're the same, for all intensive purposes.
    JoeUser wrote: »
    They're the same, for all intensive purposes.

    this is one of my biggest pet peeves

    You really shouldn't take such things for granite.

    irregardless this is an irritating error

    Quoth on
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    iStevoiStevo Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    DE?AD wrote: »
    iStevo wrote: »
    DE?AD wrote: »
    Since people got tired of ridiculous and unnecessary multiple punctuation marks.

    Shit, one space between sentences, and now they're overlapping punctuation?

    What kind of lazy fucks are behind this?

    There is a difference between laziness and efficiency.

    This post is much better when read with a terrible German accent.

    I don't see ‽ on my keyboard.

    Saying it's efficient just doesn't parse when we're talking about a single space at the end of your sentence or an extra punctuation, both of which are a single extra keystroke. If you're anal retentive enough to be miffed when your thumb or little finger has to stretch an extra inch or two, maybe you should take a deep breath and relax.

    iStevo on
    ...I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.
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    sponospono Mining for Nose Diamonds Booger CoveRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
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    Vann DirasVann Diras Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Quoth wrote: »
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    joe does have a point, though

    he most certainly does not

    efficiency is maximum output with minimum effort

    laziness is lack of effort with no regard for output

    but both strive to reduce the amount of effort exerted to zero

    so they are at the least related. like brothers or something

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    GRMikeGRMike The Last Best Hope for Humanity The God Pod Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    GRMike wrote: »
    When I format or edit newsletters I always keep it one space between sentences because that is what you do with Block text editing for print. When I am typing a paper or an email; always two spaces.

    wow you like defy history here

    since two spaces was used expressly for newspapers and typesetting and all that

    and was done away with (or so we thought) once the typewriter came along

    AND MADE IT A BARBARIC, ARCHAIC PRACTICE

    Typesetting and formatting block text are two very different things.

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    Vann DirasVann Diras Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    just one brother is a drunk layabout

    and the other works for a successful law firm

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    QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    Quoth wrote: »
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    joe does have a point, though

    he most certainly does not

    efficiency is maximum output with minimum effort

    laziness is lack of effort with no regard for output

    but both strive to reduce the amount of effort exerted to zero

    so they are at the least related. like brothers or something

    no they aren't...?

    one is positive and the other is negative

    one is beneficial and the other is counterproductive

    they are not even really two sides of a coin

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    JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Quoth wrote: »
    JoeUser wrote: »
    They're the same, for all intensive purposes.
    JoeUser wrote: »
    They're the same, for all intensive purposes.
    JoeUser wrote: »
    They're the same, for all intensive purposes.
    JoeUser wrote: »
    They're the same, for all intensive purposes.

    this is one of my biggest pet peeves

    Oh, is it not apropos? I didn't know it would effect you so.

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    Skull ManSkull Man RIP KUSU Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    efficiency is the complete opposite of laziness

    laziness is to run from work out of an unwillingness to exert energy

    efficiency is the desire to minimize waste so that more work may be done

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    DE?ADDE?AD Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    iStevo wrote: »
    DE?AD wrote: »
    iStevo wrote: »
    DE?AD wrote: »
    Since people got tired of ridiculous and unnecessary multiple punctuation marks.

    Shit, one space between sentences, and now they're overlapping punctuation?

    What kind of lazy fucks are behind this?

    There is a difference between laziness and efficiency.

    This post is much better when read with a terrible German accent.

    I don't see ‽ on my keyboard.

    Saying it's efficient just doesn't parse when we're talking about a single space at the end of your sentence or an extra punctuation, both of which are a single extra keystroke. If you're anal retentive enough to be miffed when your thumb or little finger has to stretch an extra inch or two, maybe you should take a deep breath and relax.

    I'm not talking about the effort it takes to type, I'm talking about the sheer amount of text that you can fit into a given space. Extra spaces and punctuation marks are just a entirely unnecessary.

    Plus, I just really think multiple punctuation marks look stupid.

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    iStevoiStevo Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Skull Man wrote: »
    efficiency is the complete opposite of laziness

    laziness is to run from work out of an unwillingness to exert energy

    efficiency is the desire to minimize waste so that more work may be done

    Which, when it comes to the time it takes for a single entra keystroke, sort of blend together and look the same.

    iStevo on
    ...I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.
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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    DE?AD wrote: »
    iStevo wrote: »
    DE?AD wrote: »
    iStevo wrote: »
    DE?AD wrote: »
    Since people got tired of ridiculous and unnecessary multiple punctuation marks.

    Shit, one space between sentences, and now they're overlapping punctuation?

    What kind of lazy fucks are behind this?

    There is a difference between laziness and efficiency.

    This post is much better when read with a terrible German accent.

    I don't see ‽ on my keyboard.

    Saying it's efficient just doesn't parse when we're talking about a single space at the end of your sentence or an extra punctuation, both of which are a single extra keystroke. If you're anal retentive enough to be miffed when your thumb or little finger has to stretch an extra inch or two, maybe you should take a deep breath and relax.

    I'm not talking about the effort it takes to type, I'm talking about the sheer amount of text that you can fit into a given space. Extra spaces and punctuation marks are just a entirely unnecessary.

    Plus, I just really think multiple punctuation marks look stupid.

    What are you, some kind of robot?



    Get the fuck out.

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    Skull ManSkull Man RIP KUSU Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    iStevo wrote: »
    Skull Man wrote: »
    efficiency is the complete opposite of laziness

    laziness is to run from work out of an unwillingness to exert energy

    efficiency is the desire to minimize waste so that more work may be done

    Which, when it comes to the time it takes for a single entra keystroke, sort of blend together and look the same.

    I wasn't talking about in this context

    in this context only the person doing the typing can know whether it's lazy or efficient

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    iStevoiStevo Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    DE?AD wrote: »
    iStevo wrote: »
    DE?AD wrote: »
    iStevo wrote: »
    DE?AD wrote: »
    Since people got tired of ridiculous and unnecessary multiple punctuation marks.

    Shit, one space between sentences, and now they're overlapping punctuation?

    What kind of lazy fucks are behind this?

    There is a difference between laziness and efficiency.

    This post is much better when read with a terrible German accent.

    I don't see ‽ on my keyboard.

    Saying it's efficient just doesn't parse when we're talking about a single space at the end of your sentence or an extra punctuation, both of which are a single extra keystroke. If you're anal retentive enough to be miffed when your thumb or little finger has to stretch an extra inch or two, maybe you should take a deep breath and relax.

    I'm not talking about the effort it takes to type, I'm talking about the sheer amount of text that you can fit into a given space. Extra spaces and punctuation marks are just a entirely unnecessary.

    Plus, I just really think multiple punctuation marks look stupid.


    Well, I don't really work in a format that limits the amount of space I'm allowed to use.

    I see your point.

    but "What the fuck!?" looks better than "What the fuck‽"

    iStevo on
    ...I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.
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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    iStevo wrote: »
    Skull Man wrote: »
    efficiency is the complete opposite of laziness

    laziness is to run from work out of an unwillingness to exert energy

    efficiency is the desire to minimize waste so that more work may be done

    Which, when it comes to the time it takes for a single entra keystroke, sort of blend together and look the same.
    not really, no

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    Vann DirasVann Diras Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    what?

    they both are a work ethic dealing with the amount of work done.

    one is negative, one is positive. both are supposed "solutions" to the problem of how work gets done. how are they not related

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    Skull ManSkull Man RIP KUSU Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    what?

    they both are a work ethic dealing with the amount of work done.

    one is negative, one is positive. both are supposed "solutions" to the problem of how work gets done. how are they not related

    motive, motive, motive is everything

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    MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    DE?AD wrote: »
    iStevo wrote: »
    DE?AD wrote: »
    iStevo wrote: »
    DE?AD wrote: »
    Since people got tired of ridiculous and unnecessary multiple punctuation marks.

    Shit, one space between sentences, and now they're overlapping punctuation?

    What kind of lazy fucks are behind this?

    There is a difference between laziness and efficiency.

    This post is much better when read with a terrible German accent.

    I don't see ‽ on my keyboard.

    Saying it's efficient just doesn't parse when we're talking about a single space at the end of your sentence or an extra punctuation, both of which are a single extra keystroke. If you're anal retentive enough to be miffed when your thumb or little finger has to stretch an extra inch or two, maybe you should take a deep breath and relax.

    I'm not talking about the effort it takes to type, I'm talking about the sheer amount of text that you can fit into a given space. Extra spaces and punctuation marks are just a entirely unnecessary.

    Plus, I just really think multiple punctuation marks look stupid.

    Guys. We're gonna run out of space on the internet. We need to conserve.

    Really one shouldn't be writing sentences which need to be ended with an interrobang. A sentence cannot be both an exclamatory statement and a question. An interrobang essentially denotes "I just asked you a question, but I did it loudly." It's like ending your sentence by saying "Disbelief!" You sound like a damn Elcor.

    Also I cannot believe we're talking about coding in an interrobang instead of shift + 1 / and calling it "efficiency."

    Unless you're arguing it should be included on keyboards, which is crazy.

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    DE?ADDE?AD Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    iStevo wrote: »
    DE?AD wrote: »
    iStevo wrote: »
    DE?AD wrote: »
    iStevo wrote: »
    DE?AD wrote: »
    Since people got tired of ridiculous and unnecessary multiple punctuation marks.

    Shit, one space between sentences, and now they're overlapping punctuation?

    What kind of lazy fucks are behind this?

    There is a difference between laziness and efficiency.

    This post is much better when read with a terrible German accent.

    I don't see ‽ on my keyboard.

    Saying it's efficient just doesn't parse when we're talking about a single space at the end of your sentence or an extra punctuation, both of which are a single extra keystroke. If you're anal retentive enough to be miffed when your thumb or little finger has to stretch an extra inch or two, maybe you should take a deep breath and relax.

    I'm not talking about the effort it takes to type, I'm talking about the sheer amount of text that you can fit into a given space. Extra spaces and punctuation marks are just a entirely unnecessary.

    Plus, I just really think multiple punctuation marks look stupid.


    Well, I don't really work in a format that limits the amount of space I'm allowed to use.

    I see your point.

    but "What the fuck!?" looks better than "What the fuck‽"

    I'd argue that that's only because we're more used to "What the fuck!?".


    Also, to somewhat explain my hatred of extra punctuation marks - I work as a letterer for a company that produces some of the worst comics I have ever seen.

    Four exclamation points is too many even when you don't have to fit the text into a small bubble.

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    QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    what?

    they both are a work ethic dealing with the amount of work done.

    one is negative, one is positive. both are supposed "solutions" to the problem of how work gets done. how are they not related

    laziness is not a solution or a work ethic

    Quoth on
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    Vann DirasVann Diras Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Skull Man wrote: »
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    what?

    they both are a work ethic dealing with the amount of work done.

    one is negative, one is positive. both are supposed "solutions" to the problem of how work gets done. how are they not related

    motive, motive, motive is everything

    exactly, they are the same approach with a different motive

    I agree that they are not the same thing by any stretch, but to say the two are not related is silly

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    Vann DirasVann Diras Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Quoth wrote: »
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    what?

    they both are a work ethic dealing with the amount of work done.

    one is negative, one is positive. both are supposed "solutions" to the problem of how work gets done. how are they not related

    laziness is not a solution or a work ethic

    I put quotations around it for that exact purpose

    but it's definitely a work ethic. it is a person's attitude regarding work

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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    Skull Man wrote: »
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    what?

    they both are a work ethic dealing with the amount of work done.

    one is negative, one is positive. both are supposed "solutions" to the problem of how work gets done. how are they not related

    motive, motive, motive is everything

    exactly, they are the same approach with a different motive

    I agree that they are not the same thing by any stretch, but to say the two are not related is silly
    actually skull man is wrong and quoth is right

    laziness is the desire to not do work. effeciency is the desire to do work better.

    Houk the Namebringer on
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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    I put quotations around it for that exact purpose

    but it's definitely a work ethic. it is a person's attitude regarding work
    "i dont want to work" is not a work ethic

    Houk the Namebringer on
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    Skull ManSkull Man RIP KUSU Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Houk wrote: »
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    Skull Man wrote: »
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    what?

    they both are a work ethic dealing with the amount of work done.

    one is negative, one is positive. both are supposed "solutions" to the problem of how work gets done. how are they not related

    motive, motive, motive is everything

    exactly, they are the same approach with a different motive

    I agree that they are not the same thing by any stretch, but to say the two are not related is silly
    actually skull man is wrong and quoth is right

    laziness is the desire to not do work. effeciency is the desire to do work better.

    how the fuck am I wrong then that's exactly what I just said
    Skull Man wrote: »
    efficiency is the complete opposite of laziness

    laziness is to run from work out of an unwillingness to exert energy

    efficiency is the desire to minimize waste so that more work may be done

    Skull Man on
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    iStevoiStevo Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    DE?AD wrote: »
    iStevo wrote: »
    DE?AD wrote: »
    iStevo wrote: »
    DE?AD wrote: »
    iStevo wrote: »
    DE?AD wrote: »
    Since people got tired of ridiculous and unnecessary multiple punctuation marks.

    Shit, one space between sentences, and now they're overlapping punctuation?

    What kind of lazy fucks are behind this?

    There is a difference between laziness and efficiency.

    This post is much better when read with a terrible German accent.

    I don't see ‽ on my keyboard.

    Saying it's efficient just doesn't parse when we're talking about a single space at the end of your sentence or an extra punctuation, both of which are a single extra keystroke. If you're anal retentive enough to be miffed when your thumb or little finger has to stretch an extra inch or two, maybe you should take a deep breath and relax.

    I'm not talking about the effort it takes to type, I'm talking about the sheer amount of text that you can fit into a given space. Extra spaces and punctuation marks are just a entirely unnecessary.

    Plus, I just really think multiple punctuation marks look stupid.


    Well, I don't really work in a format that limits the amount of space I'm allowed to use.

    I see your point.

    but "What the fuck!?" looks better than "What the fuck‽"

    I'd argue that that's only because we're more used to "What the fuck!?".


    Also, to somewhat explain my hatred of extra punctuation marks - I work as a letterer for a company that produces some of the worst comics I have ever seen.

    Four exclamation points is too many even when you don't have to fit the text into a small bubble.


    That sounds like a personal problem.

    iStevo on
    ...I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.
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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    i meant your comment about how motive is everything. laziness and effeciency aren't different because their motivation is different, they're different because they are different concepts and the end result is different

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    QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    oh my god

    laziness: unwillingness to work, be active
    efficiency: adeptness, effectiveness

    the only way they are related is if you put them together in a venn diagram where the set is defined as "attitudes/approaches to work or a lack thereof"

    which is just vague enough to be completely meaningless in my humble opinion

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    Vann DirasVann Diras Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Houk wrote: »
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    I put quotations around it for that exact purpose

    but it's definitely a work ethic. it is a person's attitude regarding work
    "i dont want to work" is not a work ethic

    exactly it is that person's attitude towards doing work

    augh fuck it this is dumb and I was dragged into it

    I'm going to draw pictures of you all and they won't be flattering!

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    RinderRinder Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    This is probably the most pointless discussion I've ever seen.

    Rinder on
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    Skull ManSkull Man RIP KUSU Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Houk wrote: »
    i meant your comment about how motive is everything. laziness and effeciency aren't different because their motivation is different, they're different because they are different concepts and the end result is different

    E-F-F-I-I-C-I-E-N-C-Y

    if I put my keys in a bowl because I hate looking for my keys that's laziness

    if I put my keys in a bowl because I want to grab them as I speed out the door that's efficiency

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    satansfingerssatansfingers Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Skull Man wrote: »
    E-F-F-I-I-C-I-N-C-Y

    good show

    satansfingers on
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    sponospono Mining for Nose Diamonds Booger CoveRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    *golf clap*

    spono on
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    Skull ManSkull Man RIP KUSU Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Skull Man wrote: »
    E-F-F-I-I-C-I-E-N-C-Y

    good show

    thanks!

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