So wait.
"We didn't want to make it a burden to change specs to the point you'd just hearth and get summoned back."
"Only Inscriptors can make it, and it takes multiple people to summon it, and it'll probably cost like a billion gold to get it off the AH."
I want it to be a huge fee, or even questline, to get two specs. I don't want every Tom, Dick, and Arthas out there thinking they can heal and tank any instance.
They need to keep it simple and just make it an option at the talent trainer guy...sheesh. And I still want a confirmation box before it finalizes the talent points. I hate misclicking and having to spend another 50g to undo a mistake.
They need to keep it simple and just make it an option at the talent trainer guy...sheesh. And I still want a confirmation box before it finalizes the talent points. I hate misclicking and having to spend another 50g to undo a mistake.
Both of these things are already happening, except you go to a lexicon instead of a trainer in the major cities.
They need to keep it simple and just make it an option at the talent trainer guy...sheesh. And I still want a confirmation box before it finalizes the talent points. I hate misclicking and having to spend another 50g to undo a mistake.
Nethaera: Is there a way for players to choose their talents without them being saved? Currently, once you spend your talent point, it’s spent unless you pay the respec cost again.
Ghostcrawler: With the dual spec feature, we are going to allow players who respec to configure all their talents before they get saved. They will be able to allocate the points, then choose if they want to use that as their spec, rather than needing to carefully diagram out their talents ahead of time. This will allow players a little more freedom when deciding on the talents they want to pick and avoid costly mistakes.
I want it to be a huge fee, or even questline, to get two specs. I don't want every Tom, Dick, and Arthas out there thinking they can heal and tank any instance.
But.. they can already do this. By respeccing. :P
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Nethaera: Is there a way for players to choose their talents without them being saved? Currently, once you spend your talent point, it’s spent unless you pay the respec cost again.
Ghostcrawler: With the dual spec feature, we are going to allow players who respec to configure all their talents before they get saved. They will be able to allocate the points, then choose if they want to use that as their spec, rather than needing to carefully diagram out their talents ahead of time. This will allow players a little more freedom when deciding on the talents they want to pick and avoid costly mistakes.
I want it to be a huge fee, or even questline, to get two specs. I don't want every Tom, Dick, and Arthas out there thinking they can heal and tank any instance.
But.. they can already do this. By respeccing. :P
I very seriously doubt they're going to do anything resembling what you've proposed.
At the end of the day, they all pay as much as you do, so really: what is your opinion about what other people get to do really worth?
Riz: Totally agree, making Dual Spec some sort of pain in the ass holy grail isn't going to make anyone happy, only the pretentious narcissists with too much time on their hands would be pleased by this outcome.
I want it to be a huge fee, or even questline, to get two specs. I don't want every Tom, Dick, and Arthas out there thinking they can heal and tank any instance.
So you basically want Healers and Tanks to suffer, and reduce their ability or willingness to tank/heal on the fly for instances or raids?
This right here is why we can't have nice things.
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Riz: Totally agree, making Dual Spec some sort of pain in the ass holy grail isn't going to make anyone happy, only the pretentious narcissists with too much time on their hands would be pleased by this outcome.
See: the people who sneer at everone that didn't get that particular brewfest achievement.
I'll wager its 1000g(Cold Weather Flying) or 50g(Max Cost to Respec)
It may be even less, since they did mention that if it got very popular they might roll it out to lower level characters.
Sounds unlikely to be "Epic Flying" expensive.
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I cannot freaking wait for dual spec. Running around doing quests as shadow, then flipping back to holy for instances? Please god hurry up with it.
Apparently you can only do it at max level though. Which is like getting fisted with a mac truck through your asshole.
Also completely defeats the point other than "Hay guyz you can now switch faster in that naxx run, and a bit cheaper."
You are objectively wrong and possibly terrible.
Now that I've actually seen the whole thing it's slightly better.
Now it's only "U save money,switch close one click, kthxbai"
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edited February 2009
You save money and you save time. It's a huge bitch to respec and then change your glyphs every fucking time.
I hate the shit out of it because I have one PvE viable spec and one arena viable (and PvP preferred) spec and I want to be able to switch between them constantly so I can PvP and PvE at full strength.
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edited February 2009
He means his penis, Munkus.
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edited February 2009
There's no pussy here, just a dose that'll make you wish you were born a woman.
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One thing that bothers me about this implementation is the glyphs. Scribes already have a hard time with the fact that most people don't need to purchase their products as often as enchants or gems, but with dual specs it will be very rare indeed for someone to need new glyphs. I have been out of the glyph market since early price gouging on rare discoveries, but in theory it's problematic.
I can totally see Blizz making the "fee" to use dual specs some stupid amount like 1k gold. Thing is, I'm a lock, so dual specs don't really interest me that much. If I had to pay 1k, forget it. If its something lower, I might, just so I can have the option.
1K gold isn't that hard to get. I'm fine with having to buy in to the system. This expansion is all about money sinks anyway.
One thing that bothers me about this implementation is the glyphs. Scribes already have a hard time with the fact that most people don't need to purchase their products as often as enchants or gems, but with dual specs it will be very rare indeed for someone to need new glyphs. I have been out of the glyph market since early price gouging on rare discoveries, but in theory it's problematic.
Well they did say you were going to get Lexicons of Power that you can craft. If they are consumed and not reusable then that could be a huge buff to your income. Everyone is going to want to have one around.
One thing that bothers me about this implementation is the glyphs. Scribes already have a hard time with the fact that most people don't need to purchase their products as often as enchants or gems, but with dual specs it will be very rare indeed for someone to need new glyphs. I have been out of the glyph market since early price gouging on rare discoveries, but in theory it's problematic.
That's why scribes make the lexicons, but yeah, it's just going to devalue glyphs even more.
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I want it to be a huge fee, or even questline, to get two specs. I don't want every Tom, Dick, and Arthas out there thinking they can heal and tank any instance.
Yeah! This isn't about making it easier, it's about arbitrary difficulty simply to force people to blow their money on something!
I can totally see Blizz making the "fee" to use dual specs some stupid amount like 1k gold. Thing is, I'm a lock, so dual specs don't really interest me that much. If I had to pay 1k, forget it. If its something lower, I might, just so I can have the option.
1K gold isn't that hard to get. I'm fine with having to buy in to the system. This expansion is all about money sinks anyway.
One thing that bothers me about this implementation is the glyphs. Scribes already have a hard time with the fact that most people don't need to purchase their products as often as enchants or gems, but with dual specs it will be very rare indeed for someone to need new glyphs. I have been out of the glyph market since early price gouging on rare discoveries, but in theory it's problematic.
Well they did say you were going to get Lexicons of Power that you can craft. If they are consumed and not reusable then that could be a huge buff to your income. Everyone is going to want to have one around.
Well yeah but I don't wanna have to be SoL because I can't afford to buy ONE Lexicon at 300g because no one wants to sell them cheaper, AND have to pay 1500g to use dual spec.
Money sinks are just Blizzards lazy way of making people feel like they accomplished something.
I have respecced exactly 0 times on my main (prot paladin) since the achievement pane went in. Total, I've respecced perhaps 5 times, not including free respecs with patches.
I want it to be a huge fee, or even questline, to get two specs. I don't want every Tom, Dick, and Arthas out there thinking they can heal and tank any instance.
Yeah! This isn't about making it easier, it's about arbitrary difficulty simply to force people to blow their money on something!
I can totally see Blizz making the "fee" to use dual specs some stupid amount like 1k gold. Thing is, I'm a lock, so dual specs don't really interest me that much. If I had to pay 1k, forget it. If its something lower, I might, just so I can have the option.
1K gold isn't that hard to get. I'm fine with having to buy in to the system. This expansion is all about money sinks anyway.
One thing that bothers me about this implementation is the glyphs. Scribes already have a hard time with the fact that most people don't need to purchase their products as often as enchants or gems, but with dual specs it will be very rare indeed for someone to need new glyphs. I have been out of the glyph market since early price gouging on rare discoveries, but in theory it's problematic.
Well they did say you were going to get Lexicons of Power that you can craft. If they are consumed and not reusable then that could be a huge buff to your income. Everyone is going to want to have one around.
Well yeah but I don't wanna have to be SoL because I can't afford to buy ONE Lexicon at 300g because no one wants to sell them cheaper, AND have to pay 1500g to use dual spec.
Money sinks are just Blizzards lazy way of making people feel like they accomplished something.
Your argument fails because you're pulling numbers out of thin air. GC even mentions they haven't decided whether the portable lexicon will be reusable or nor and he didn't say what it would take to craft.
I have respecced exactly 0 times on my main (prot paladin) since the achievement pane went in. Total, I've respecced perhaps 5 times, not including free respecs with patches.
How are achievements related to talents? Or is that simply to give a timeframe?
I think dual-specs are a lot more important for hardcore raiders.. especially people who raid healing. It's better than it used to be since merging spellpower and healing power, but it's still no fun to go grind dailys or pvp with a healing spec.
I used to constantly respec on my priest and druid, both of whom did raid healing. On my DK? Never even feel the need, he kicks ass even if I had monkeys pick his talents.
I have respecced exactly 0 times on my main (prot paladin) since the achievement pane went in. Total, I've respecced perhaps 5 times, not including free respecs with patches.
How are achievements related to talents? Or is that simply to give a timeframe?
Because in the 'statistics' page of the achievements tab, there's a thing that tells you how much gold you've spent on respecs. But it only tracks gold spent after the achievement page went in.
Nethaera: Why do players need to be max level in order to do this?
Ghostcrawler: We didn’t want to burden lower-level players with extra complexity as they’re working to level up and learn their class. But if the feature proves popular we might consider expanding it.
Oh, oh thanks guys. I don't know how I would have ever managed two whole specs, I'll just stick with the ol' simple and easy method, of not getting into any instance groups ever because I can't find a fucking healer and tank.
I assume it was also too confusing and complex to allow switching outside of the capital cities(without a scrivener).
Nooo, level 70 paladin hopes.. shattered.
// oh, and it requires you to be near a lexicon. yeah, fuck that.
Being able to drop a respec thingamabob in a raid will be so awesome though. Tonight we had three healers respec DPS for our Patchwerk achievement attempt (12% hp left... getting there), and the time it takes for people to go respec adds up.
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"We didn't want to make it a burden to change specs to the point you'd just hearth and get summoned back."
"Only Inscriptors can make it, and it takes multiple people to summon it, and it'll probably cost like a billion gold to get it off the AH."
So you basically don't listen to yourself, GC?
Both of these things are already happening, except you go to a lexicon instead of a trainer in the major cities.
Ghostcrawler: With the dual spec feature, we are going to allow players who respec to configure all their talents before they get saved. They will be able to allocate the points, then choose if they want to use that as their spec, rather than needing to carefully diagram out their talents ahead of time. This will allow players a little more freedom when deciding on the talents they want to pick and avoid costly mistakes.
But.. they can already do this. By respeccing. :P
I very seriously doubt they're going to do anything resembling what you've proposed.
At the end of the day, they all pay as much as you do, so really: what is your opinion about what other people get to do really worth?
Riz: Totally agree, making Dual Spec some sort of pain in the ass holy grail isn't going to make anyone happy, only the pretentious narcissists with too much time on their hands would be pleased by this outcome.
So you basically want Healers and Tanks to suffer, and reduce their ability or willingness to tank/heal on the fly for instances or raids?
This right here is why we can't have nice things.
See: the people who sneer at everone that didn't get that particular brewfest achievement.
My bet? 5000g, just like epic flying.
It may be even less, since they did mention that if it got very popular they might roll it out to lower level characters.
Sounds unlikely to be "Epic Flying" expensive.
You are objectively wrong and possibly terrible.
Now that I've actually seen the whole thing it's slightly better.
Now it's only "U save money,switch close one click, kthxbai"
I hate the shit out of it because I have one PvE viable spec and one arena viable (and PvP preferred) spec and I want to be able to switch between them constantly so I can PvP and PvE at full strength.
One thing that bothers me about this implementation is the glyphs. Scribes already have a hard time with the fact that most people don't need to purchase their products as often as enchants or gems, but with dual specs it will be very rare indeed for someone to need new glyphs. I have been out of the glyph market since early price gouging on rare discoveries, but in theory it's problematic.
1K gold isn't that hard to get. I'm fine with having to buy in to the system. This expansion is all about money sinks anyway.
Well they did say you were going to get Lexicons of Power that you can craft. If they are consumed and not reusable then that could be a huge buff to your income. Everyone is going to want to have one around.
You just want to keep it for yourself.
I've only had WoW since it launched in Europe
Some people are terrible at levelling
According to the armory, I've respecced 34 times. Given that at least 20 of those would be at 50g, I'm well over 1k gold in respecs.
I'm a Deathknight.
That's why scribes make the lexicons, but yeah, it's just going to devalue glyphs even more.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Dragonmaw&n=Vrtra
DK in my guild. 84 respecs.
What the fuck?
Well yeah but I don't wanna have to be SoL because I can't afford to buy ONE Lexicon at 300g because no one wants to sell them cheaper, AND have to pay 1500g to use dual spec.
Money sinks are just Blizzards lazy way of making people feel like they accomplished something.
I'm not even sure if I'm going to use dual specs.
Your argument fails because you're pulling numbers out of thin air. GC even mentions they haven't decided whether the portable lexicon will be reusable or nor and he didn't say what it would take to craft.
How are achievements related to talents? Or is that simply to give a timeframe?
I think dual-specs are a lot more important for hardcore raiders.. especially people who raid healing. It's better than it used to be since merging spellpower and healing power, but it's still no fun to go grind dailys or pvp with a healing spec.
I used to constantly respec on my priest and druid, both of whom did raid healing. On my DK? Never even feel the need, he kicks ass even if I had monkeys pick his talents.
Either that or reset your spec entirely. I can imagine the frantic clicking to spec while healing / tanking.
I humbly submit that that would, in fact, not be awesome. At all.
People would just spec the same thing twice, or have an addon do the work for you.
I just got owned. I shall go back into my corner and cut myself now.
Because in the 'statistics' page of the achievements tab, there's a thing that tells you how much gold you've spent on respecs. But it only tracks gold spent after the achievement page went in.
Nooo, level 70 paladin hopes.. shattered.
// oh, and it requires you to be near a lexicon. yeah, fuck that.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I mean, everyone you fight in BGs/WG/etc. will have the exact same spec.
The Lexicon of Power thing is a great idea. Will give Scribes a good thing to sell and such.
Pray that it isn't reusable though. Reusable almost always means "Incredibly expensive mats".
If it's not reusable it'll probably be like "1 Resilient Parchment + 1 Snowfall Ink" for 10 charges or something.