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So, I bought some "steaks for braising" a while ago, you might remember the thread. I just picked up the ingredients (and a dutch oven) that I need to make Swiss steak.
The meat had a sell-by date of Jan. 15th. When I purchased it it looked healthy and extremely red. It is now kind of brown, and I can see the lines of fat that were at first kind of hidden. There are still a few spots of red on it.
As it is now January 23rd, is it still safe to eat? It's been sitting in my fridge since then, I haven't frozen it at all.
Yeah I think it's been in there at least eight days. On the plus side, it was only like four USD, so it's no huge loss. Unfortunately I only have twenty-eight dollars left for the next two weeks and I'm on a quarter-tank of gas. Yay ramen noodles.
It also depends, to some extent, on where you buy it from. We have had absolutely terrible luck with meat from Wal-Mart - twice now we've bought some basic chopped stewing beef, tossed it in the fridge (which is kept at the proper temperature, and is rarely opened), and two days later it's rotting. It actually starts going bad before the expiry date. It is really gross.
Freezing meat is the way to go if you're buying in bulk or know you won't use it for a while - my family used to buy half a cow every year from a local farmer, and it kept just fine in our big chest freezer out in the mudroom. If it's stuff you plan on using fairly quickly, though, keep it in the fridge, and buy it from a reputable butcher. It'll cost a little extra, but it's worth it.
In your case, I would absolutely toss that shit out. If you even think it might have wandered a little south, your apprehension alone will be enough to turn your stomach when you eat it.
So, speaking of freezing, how long does it kept frozen? I've had some chicken breasts and hamburgers in the freezer for like, three months. Enclosed in bags, if that helps.
I really just look for freezer burn. It's the crystallized/ dry places that can show up on frozen food. It won't actually hurt you, the meat will just taste nasty.
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So, speaking of freezing, how long does it kept frozen? I've had some chicken breasts and hamburgers in the freezer for like, three months. Enclosed in bags, if that helps.
They last for about 6 months frozen before they are just really disgusting.
Depending on where you get it. If this is meat from Wal-Mart be prepared to only keep it a month in the freezer because of just the horrible quality of their meat.
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well if he is braising something it isn't going to matter about texture really
usually once meat starts turning gray on the outside i toss it, but if its chop meat i try and salvage it, its technically fine, but its quite unappealing
i never buy meat from walmart i think it is technically a lower grade than stuff you buy at the store. grade AA vs A or something like that
i never buy meat from walmart i think it is technically a lower grade than stuff you buy at the store. grade AA vs A or something like that
Ugh. Unless it's made of cheap plastic and shipped here from China, then it's gonna suck ass. I bought ground beef from Wal-Mart once and it was like 45% gristle. At least I hope it was gristle...
Anyway, use the meat dude. Just cook the hell out of it and douse it in sauces. No point in that cow dying for naught.
You're probably fine, but don't wait any longer than today or tomorrow. Just make sure it's really thoroughly cooked. It may be a little blah and may be a little tougher to chew.
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So, speaking of freezing, how long does it kept frozen? I've had some chicken breasts and hamburgers in the freezer for like, three months. Enclosed in bags, if that helps.
Frozen food stays *safe* to eat more or less indefinitely. However, taste and appearance can go down hill after a few months.
Meat will change color from red to brownish fairly quickly. It would be mostly that color when we buy it at most stores, except they treat it with carbon monoxide (I think) to keep it artificially red. Color isn't a problem. Open the package. If it smells awful, don't eat it. Since you're days past the sell by date and had it for a while, just make sure to cook it thoroughly. It won't taste as good, but since it sounds like you're on a tight budget, you might as well eat it (assuming it doesn't smell awful right now).
Meat will change color from red to brownish fairly quickly. It would be mostly that color when we buy it at most stores, except they treat it with carbon monoxide (I think) to keep it artificially red..
Carbon dioxide.
My understanding is that meat oxidizes like a sliced apple, so they use CO2 when it is packaged to force the oxygen out and keep the meat's red appearance longer than it normally would.
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For those freezing meats you should check out the Good Eats episode on it. I used to toss steaks and such in tupperware without a though and was always disappointed. Now as soon as get home from the store its quickly wrapped in saran wrap then tin foil and frozen. It makes a big difference to have no air surrounding it and the tin foil I assume is to help it freeze faster (which is the best idea)
For those freezing meats you should check out the Good Eats episode on it. I used to toss steaks and such in tupperware without a though and was always disappointed. Now as soon as get home from the store its quickly wrapped in saran wrap then tin foil and frozen. It makes a big difference to have no air surrounding it and the tin foil I assume is to help it freeze faster (which is the best idea)
Get one of those vacuum packing machines if you want to do a really great job, vacuum sealed meat will also stay fresh longer in the fridge.
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why is it meat from the store only keeps for a few days/a weak but when you go to a steakhouse or something they will talk about how the meat has been aged for 21 days, dry aged for a fortnight, etc etce
If you had loads of money I'd say chuck it... as it is, cook it to well done... cook it some more ... and enjoy! But don't leave it any longer, eat it today.
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why is it meat from the store only keeps for a few days/a weak but when you go to a steakhouse or something they will talk about how the meat has been aged for 21 days, dry aged for a fortnight, etc etce
They actually have the facilities to do that with.
Stores generally just take the meat off the truck, cut it up, and put it out.
My understanding is that meat oxidizes like a sliced apple, so they use CO2 when it is packaged to force the oxygen out and keep the meat's red appearance longer than it normally would.
Did a little checking, it's definitely the carbon monoxide that keeps the meat pink/red, although there is also some CO2 and nitrogen in the mix.
So I went with the advice of "Cook it to death" and made some swiss steak. It was actually rather palatable. It wasn't technically real swiss steak though, so I didn't have any tomato paste, and I just threw in whole cherry tomatoes since that's all I had, but, oh well, it was pretty good.
And I'm not dead yet, so that's a plus.
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why is it meat from the store only keeps for a few days/a weak but when you go to a steakhouse or something they will talk about how the meat has been aged for 21 days, dry aged for a fortnight, etc etce
They actually have the facilities to do that with.
Stores generally just take the meat off the truck, cut it up, and put it out.
What's the difference, though, between the facility and my fridge? Humidity? Acidity? How come my meat gets nastier, not more expensive?
Ahhhhh
wikipedia informs me it is done at near-freezing, with larger sections of highgrade beef, which are then trimmed into steaks after aging.
why is it meat from the store only keeps for a few days/a weak but when you go to a steakhouse or something they will talk about how the meat has been aged for 21 days, dry aged for a fortnight, etc etce
They actually have the facilities to do that with.
Stores generally just take the meat off the truck, cut it up, and put it out.
What's the difference, though, between the facility and my fridge? Humidity? Acidity? How come my meat gets nastier, not more expensive?
Ahhhhh
wikipedia informs me it is done at near-freezing, with larger sections of highgrade beef, which are then trimmed into steaks after aging.
Vacuum sealers are a great motherfucking investment if you're living on a budget. Meat keeps almost forever, and you have little to almost no freezer burn when you decide, in 6 months, you want some hamburger.
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Meat will change color from red to brownish fairly quickly. It would be mostly that color when we buy it at most stores, except they treat it with carbon monoxide (I think) to keep it artificially red. Color isn't a problem. Open the package. If it smells awful, don't eat it. Since you're days past the sell by date and had it for a while, just make sure to cook it thoroughly. It won't taste as good, but since it sounds like you're on a tight budget, you might as well eat it (assuming it doesn't smell awful right now).
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1: color doesn't matter unless its green or white/black (green = rot, white/black = mold)
2: when you smell a steak that is more than 3 days old it will start to smell like 'meat' moreso than when fresh. don't throw a steak out because of that. throw it out if it smells like its rotting. an easy way to see this sometimes is to look at the puffiness of the package. rotting lets out gasses that will bloat the package that the meat comes in. if the plastic wrap is noticably puffed out, its probably going bad.
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I would probably toss it anyway. Better safe than sorry.
In the future, stick it in the freezer if you're not going to use it soon.
In general I try not to keep fresh meat in the fridge for more than a few days, maybe up to a week.
You can freeze it to keep it longer, but this of course has a negative effect on the texture of the meat.
Freezing meat is the way to go if you're buying in bulk or know you won't use it for a while - my family used to buy half a cow every year from a local farmer, and it kept just fine in our big chest freezer out in the mudroom. If it's stuff you plan on using fairly quickly, though, keep it in the fridge, and buy it from a reputable butcher. It'll cost a little extra, but it's worth it.
In your case, I would absolutely toss that shit out. If you even think it might have wandered a little south, your apprehension alone will be enough to turn your stomach when you eat it.
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They last for about 6 months frozen before they are just really disgusting.
Depending on where you get it. If this is meat from Wal-Mart be prepared to only keep it a month in the freezer because of just the horrible quality of their meat.
usually once meat starts turning gray on the outside i toss it, but if its chop meat i try and salvage it, its technically fine, but its quite unappealing
i never buy meat from walmart i think it is technically a lower grade than stuff you buy at the store. grade AA vs A or something like that
Ugh. Unless it's made of cheap plastic and shipped here from China, then it's gonna suck ass. I bought ground beef from Wal-Mart once and it was like 45% gristle. At least I hope it was gristle...
Anyway, use the meat dude. Just cook the hell out of it and douse it in sauces. No point in that cow dying for naught.
I bought it from Giant Eagle, which is like the normal middle-class grocery chain here.
Frozen food stays *safe* to eat more or less indefinitely. However, taste and appearance can go down hill after a few months.
Freezer - stuff basically won't go bad, but after a few months taste/texture will degrade.
Carbon dioxide.
My understanding is that meat oxidizes like a sliced apple, so they use CO2 when it is packaged to force the oxygen out and keep the meat's red appearance longer than it normally would.
Get one of those vacuum packing machines if you want to do a really great job, vacuum sealed meat will also stay fresh longer in the fridge.
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Typically, we marinate any meats we freeze. Any taste/texture issues that -might- be there are generally gone, then.
This always depends on the cut of meat, though. Sirloin tips? Those are always melt-in-your-mouth awesome.
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They actually have the facilities to do that with.
Stores generally just take the meat off the truck, cut it up, and put it out.
Did a little checking, it's definitely the carbon monoxide that keeps the meat pink/red, although there is also some CO2 and nitrogen in the mix.
And I'm not dead yet, so that's a plus.
What's the difference, though, between the facility and my fridge? Humidity? Acidity? How come my meat gets nastier, not more expensive?
Ahhhhh
wikipedia informs me it is done at near-freezing, with larger sections of highgrade beef, which are then trimmed into steaks after aging.
I host a podcast about movies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmfaeWEjGpM
(how to age the meat is about halfway through)
yeah for meat
1: color doesn't matter unless its green or white/black (green = rot, white/black = mold)
2: when you smell a steak that is more than 3 days old it will start to smell like 'meat' moreso than when fresh. don't throw a steak out because of that. throw it out if it smells like its rotting. an easy way to see this sometimes is to look at the puffiness of the package. rotting lets out gasses that will bloat the package that the meat comes in. if the plastic wrap is noticably puffed out, its probably going bad.