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Ghost In The Shell

SamSam Registered User regular
edited November 2006 in Debate and/or Discourse
Fuck the anime thread- my posts about GITS always get lost in the fold.
Anyway, all 7 volumes of SAC 2nd Gig are out, and there's a SAC film coming out sometime next year, although I'm not sure if the Japanese version by some freak chance has english subs, or if a decent fansub is out (GITS isn't easy to get across on fansubs though)

I haven't seen volumes 5 6 and 7 of 2nd Gig, so please spoiler spoilers.
I'm waiting for them to put it out in a box or something like that.

Also, there are 2 SAC novels, and a prequel novel to the Innocence. I've read the Innocence one, which you'll enjoy if you like Innocence. I like Innocence, but it's definitely a different beat- it's more a character study than anything, so you only see Batou through the entire thing, and not a whole lot happens. But I liked it.

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  • Dublo7Dublo7 Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Is the GITS series good?
    I've seen the movies... and well, they weren't good.

    I need some good anime to watch over the xmas holidays.

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  • Dyrwen66Dyrwen66 the other's insane Denver CORegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I tried watching most of the first season and just couldn't get into it. Something about the distance in each character that just rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe it was just a personal preference thing, but I don't see what the hoopla was about.

    It had some damn fine art in it though.

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  • Aaron LeeAaron Lee Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Actually, the series is a bit of a departure from the movies (and arguably unrelated), and follow a path more similar to the manga.

    I was pleasantly surprised by the show. It sort of has a X-Files feel to it, but dealing with technology instead of monsters and aliens. I'd recommend it, even if you didn't like the movies.

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  • AroducAroduc regular
    edited November 2006
    Sam wrote:
    Fuck the anime thread- my posts about GITS always get lost in the fold.

    We... but... what?

    You've made one post in there... about Ergo Proxy.

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  • AsumaAsuma Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Watched all of 1st season SAC in four days. Really good show if you like the harder sci-fi, future/cyberpunk/philosophy angle.

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  • BongoBongo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Normally, I hate anime, but GitS is one that I genuinly love. I really dig the whole atmosphere and story, it's great stuff.

    The new movie (Solid State Society) was aired in september in japan I think, there're some pretty good subs floating out around on the internet.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Dublo7 wrote:
    Is the GITS series good?
    I've seen the movies... and well, they weren't good.

    I need some good anime to watch over the xmas holidays.

    I much preferred the series over the films. There's a much better ratio of action and cool character scenes to philisophical quotations.

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    The series is suitably fantastic, both in terms of art, writing, and action.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    The series is suitably fantastic, both in terms of art, writing, and action.

    And the MUSIC. Oh lord, the music.

    Yoko Kanno. 'Nuff said.

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  • AndorienAndorien Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Ghost in the Shell is one of the few pieces of anime I can stand. Just about any other series I can't help thinking about how silly everything is, especially in stuff like FMA where they stop in mid combat and talk about what they just did. Completely retarded.

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  • Charlie_Foxtrot2Charlie_Foxtrot2 Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    The first movie was great. GitS: SAC 1st Gig is awesome. That Ambush episode was the thing that made so awesome. 2nd Gig, ehhh... Not so much. It had it's moments. But it couldn't compare.

    GITS: SAC is one of those anime I can stand to watch and understand. I hope there will be a third gig.

    Also, Motoko in the opening sequence of the first movie = :winky:
    and in general = :winky:

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  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I've noticed both of them have their "really slow episode that's mostly a classic film homage."


    Being, of course, the Jean Luc Goddard homage episode in the first season, and the second one that seemed like one big reference to "Taxi Driver".

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    DarkPrimus wrote:
    Yoko Kanno. 'Nuff said.

    <3 Yoko Kanno

    We need a lime heart.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    moniker wrote:
    DarkPrimus wrote:
    Yoko Kanno. 'Nuff said.

    <3 Yoko Kanno

    We need a lime heart.

    I wish more of her work was available domestically. It's EXPENSIVE to import, and some of it is old enough that you can't even find legit copies anymore. :?

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  • DreamerdownDreamerdown Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I love the movies, manga, and TV show all for their own reasons.

    But my favorites are still the original manga, the first Ghost in the Shell film, and the SAC 1st gig, I just liked the stories a lot more in that season.

    Also...fuck the anime thread? I don't remember seeing too many of your posts there :P

    GiTS is worthy of its own though.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Also...fuck the anime thread? I don't remember seeing too many of your posts there :P

    I can't speak for anyone else, but I stopped posting in the anime thread when it turned into "let's talk about the lastest episodes of the hot series that are fansubbed yesterday and ignore anything else".

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  • DreamerdownDreamerdown Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    DarkPrimus wrote:
    I can't speak for anyone else, but I stopped posting in the anime thread when it turned into "let's talk about the lastest episodes of the hot series that are fansubbed yesterday and ignore anything else".

    We talk about older series pretty often.

    But I don't think it's a bad thing to keep up to date on our hobby, and to that extent, talking about current shows works because we can all watch the same thing and have a discussion about that.

    I mean, I'd love to talk Bubblegum Crisis and Starblazers but it'd be me talking and crickets chirping.

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    DarkPrimus wrote:
    moniker wrote:
    DarkPrimus wrote:
    Yoko Kanno. 'Nuff said.

    <3 Yoko Kanno

    We need a lime heart.

    I wish more of her work was available domestically. It's EXPENSIVE to import, and some of it is old enough that you can't even find legit copies anymore. :?

    It's expensive to buy in Japan too. $30 for a CD? Screw that... I am frequently happy that you can rent CDs here, but fuck the no renting video games...

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  • CerriusCerrius Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I picked up Vol. 7 of 2nd Gig a few days after it came out at Best Buy. It came in a collectors tin with room for all of the other 6 volumes. It also came with the third soundtrack to the series, which i've been listening to since then.

    Now, time for some spoilers from the last episode:

    [spoiler:e2ae2558ae]I love how Goda gets whats coming to him. He thinks he can get away, then bam! Executive privledge, bitch. It would be awesome if someone made the part where Batou and Motoko blow him away into a gif.

    Someone mentioned it before, that towards the end of the series, Motoko starts to act more and more like Kuze after she touches his Ghost line. Up until that point, she had always wondered how he got the refugees to look up to him like they did. After that I think she finally sees just how powerful and persuasive a mind he has over people, as his own quirks (like not moving his mouth when talking) start to become hers.

    And I almost cried when the Tachikomas sacrificed themselves. I'm gonna miss them :( [/spoiler:e2ae2558ae]

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Yeah, that's two seasons in a row where
    [spoiler:35ec5b1159]those little guys have brought me to tears, bless their little blue hulls[/spoiler:35ec5b1159]

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  • entropykidentropykid Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Here's the trailer for the third Ghost in the Shell film, "Solid State Society":
    (I guess Bandai and Manga Entertainment are releasing it in select theatres then immediately to dvd this spring in the US)

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=CFddzIBG-Kc

    Oh, and this has to be one of the coolest GITS things:

    HBY-GCF-00000560.6.jpg

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    The only embarassing thing about GiTS is when Motoko dresses like a porn star while on duty. Thankfully they dropped that after the first few episodes of S.A.C.

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Aroduc wrote:
    Sam wrote:
    Fuck the anime thread- my posts about GITS always get lost in the fold.

    We... but... what?

    You've made one post in there... about Ergo Proxy.

    I've made posts about GITS at least three times in previous incarnations of the thread which all dissapeared into the void unanswered in the wake of all the other stuff. Which is fine really, I mean there's other anime to discuss and all, which is why we did away with megathreads.

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  • RydarkRydark Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I've started watching subbed versions after being annoyed by the retarded YTV's scheduling. Which is 1:30AM Saturday for GITS dubbed version. :roll:

    I think this will be the only anime that I might actually purchase the whole volume set off the internet, as I cannot find it anywhere in Canada.

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  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Seen the first movie, and the whole of the first series (and first volume of 2nd Gig so far).

    Definitely prefer the series to the movie, the movie was too pretentious for its own good. 1st Gig got a good balance. It was mainly a detective story, but it was also heavily political as well, and the action scenes were very well done.

    [spoiler:fbdedf4da8]Motoko, - 1 arm, + 1 Anti-Tank rifle = VENGEANCE[/spoiler:fbdedf4da8]

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2006
    Sam wrote:
    The only embarassing thing about GiTS is when Motoko dresses like a porn star while on duty. Thankfully they dropped that after the first few episodes of S.A.C.
    I gather they don't have actual porn where you live. See, porn-stars don't wear clothes except maybe the first five minutes, and that's a stretch.

    The more serious response, she dresses in a manner that she finds attractive, and apparently isn't the least bit embarassed about it, and can kick the living shit out of anyone who comments on her wardrobe choices. I personally prefer when she wears full-length pants, but then I think leather jeans are pretty hot.
    subedii wrote:
    [spoiler:32e49ee881]Motoko, - 1 arm, + 1 Anti-Tank rifle = VENGEANCE[/spoiler:32e49ee881]
    That scene was one of the best things I've ever seen.

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    http://www.rudefromturks.mysteria.cz/Ghost in The Shell (3).jpg
    -clicky image to big and nsfw

    I'm sorry but that just smacks of over the top fanservice, and it makes it hard to take it seriously.

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2006
    Sam wrote:
    http://www.rudefromturks.mysteria.cz/Ghost in The Shell (3).jpg
    -clicky image to big and nsfw

    I'm sorry but that just smacks of over the top fanservice, and it makes it hard to take it seriously.
    You don't think the character was always hyper-sexualised on pretty much every concievable level? I mean if you want to claim that a confident hot lesbian whose body isn't even real in the future who can kill anyone she wants with whatever's on hand is unlikely to just wear whatever she feels like, that's fine, but that's something to blame on the source-material. Besides, no one else seems to even notice throughout the series except one perverted old man and one horny teenager. Man, could you have picked a slower-loading image?

    Edit: Oh, right, one horny London cop, too.

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I don't have a problem with her being hypersexualized. The stipper clothes just aren't tasteful.

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2006
    Sam wrote:
    I don't have a problem with her being hypersexualized. The stipper clothes just aren't tasteful.
    I gather they don't have actual strippers where you live either.

    Edit: The deal is this. If I were to post a picture of a stripper, I would get bitched at until the end of time about NSFW. If I post a picture of Motoko Kusanagi, or Huntress for another comparable example, I will get no lecture. The difference has to be more than just "oh it's a drawing" on the grounds that I can't post hentai or ecchi either. I'm not one of those guys who freaks out if a girl doesn't feel a need to hide every inch of skin. Personally, I don't care. I don't get why so many guys will actually talk shit about girls for that and start drawing false-parallels calling them whores sluts and strippers, whether they be real or ficticious.

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Whatever. It looks like it comes from a 14 year old's mind anyway.

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  • DreamerdownDreamerdown Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    entropykid wrote:
    Here's the trailer for the third Ghost in the Shell film, "Solid State Society":
    (I guess Bandai and Manga Entertainment are releasing it in select theatres then immediately to dvd this spring in the US)

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=CFddzIBG-Kc

    Oh, and this has to be one of the coolest GITS things:

    HBY-GCF-00000560.6.jpg

    Great figure, yeah I've seen Solid State Society already. It's pretty good, if you enjoy the TV show it's basically a maxi-episode.

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  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I got a bit jaded about SAC after the way they blatantly extended a storyline clearly written to be a single season long. The last episode might aswell have been a single sign that said "RETCON".

    That statuette is the best thing ever though.

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    What season are you talking about? 2nd gig didn't have a whole lot to do with the first season, and the entire tone is different.

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2006
    Glal wrote:
    I got a bit jaded about SAC after the way they blatantly extended a storyline clearly written to be a single season long. The last episode might aswell have been a single sign that said "RETCON".

    That statuette is the best thing ever though.
    I must not have watched the same SAC that you did. And I thought I had seen all of it (both gigs + movie).

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  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    SAC storyline toward the end: [spoiler:f22c20b665]everything is falling apart, agents are being individually hunted down and imprisoned or outright killed. Game over man, game over.[/spoiler:f22c20b665]
    SAC final episode: [spoiler:f22c20b665]oh, actually, everyone is okay. We won't explain why or how, but all the bad things you saw happening to them? Dirty lies, they're fine. Haha, group laugh everyone.[/spoiler:f22c20b665]

    I'd need to rewatch it to be name and action specific, but the last episode of SAC was just one bit deus ex machina.

    [edit] Manners, manners...

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2006
    Glal wrote:
    [spoiler:5cbdd6a672]SAC storyline toward the end: everything is falling apart, agents are being individually hunted down and imprisoned or outright killed. Game over man, game over.
    SAC final episode: oh, actually, everyone is okay. We won't explain why or how, but all the bad things you saw happening to them? Dirty lies, they're fine. Haha, group laugh everyone.[/spoiler:5cbdd6a672]

    I'd need to rewatch it to be name and action specific, but the last episode of SAC was just one bit deus ex machina.
    A) Use spoilertags, you fucktard.
    B) That's not the end of the SAC storyline.
    C) They actually explain all of it, but you would have to pay attention to the dialogue and be fluent in the language you're watching it in (either the audio track or the subtitle track) to notice.

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  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Well, either the fansubs sucked then, or your ability to suspend your disbelief for the sake of moar is far greater than mine. But hey, it's been a while and I feel like rewatching the first series anyway, so I may change my mind when the end of it rolls around this time.

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2006
    Glal wrote:
    But hey, it's been a while and I feel like rewatching the first series anyway, so I may change my mind when the end of it rolls around this time.
    Somehow I doubt it.

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  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    It sounds like somebody needs a hug. Come 'ere, big guy. ;)

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