is there some factor to determine if the poll was taken seriously? or is it just a simple add it all up kind of thing.
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Look, just because they didn't have a comics owned / hours spent reading or debating comics per week entry, doesn't mean you get to hate.
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How many games do you own, Khoo?
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about the income thing, It says "household income" not "personal income" There are 3 of us in the house that have jobs, so between the 3 of us we're above that average because our combined income is higher than 66k/year. Now, I don't make 66k/year. If I did, I wouldn't be in my current living situation, the total household income is higher than that.
Also, while I'm sad about the low number of females, it doens't surprise me. What surprises me the most is how only 25% of the people have PS3's. That doesn't bode well for the mainstream if only 1/4 of the gamers here have it.
I apparently don't make enough money or play video games enough hours to be average. Boo. At least I'm not living with my parents, and I'm one of the 6%. Now to just earn more money, and with that money, buy more video games!
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The 6% female figure made me die a little bit on the inside.
I've been playing games online for almost 15 years now, and sure, when I was a pubescent little girl playing Quake deathmatch, it was briefly amusing to see all the pubescent little boys spasming all over themselves to ask "OMG r u really a girl??" I had just kind of assumed that things got better over time, though maybe that had more to do with the fact that I switched from Counter-Strike to EverQuest in 2000, and spent a few years immersed in the MMO scene. The next online FPS I played was TF2, which I actually got into pretty late. But I just realized last night... I still get people exclaiming in disbelief over my gender. Hell, on the rare occasions when I use a mic, I even see people getting angry at the fact that I'm a girl, yelling at me and insisting that I'm actually a 12 year old boy and I should just admit that and stop calling myself Kate.
We still have a long, long way to go in online gender relations.
Yeah, were there like a couple of outliers on the average household income that ruined the stat? Because if $66,000/year is the average income around here, I may need to start begging people for their spare change.
The 6% female figure made me die a little bit on the inside.
I've been playing games online for almost 15 years now, and sure, when I was a pubescent little girl playing Quake deathmatch, it was briefly amusing to see all the pubescent little boys spasming all over themselves to ask "OMG r u really a girl??" I had just kind of assumed that things got better over time, though maybe that had more to do with the fact that I switched from Counter-Strike to EverQuest in 2000, and spent a few years immersed in the MMO scene. The next online FPS I played was TF2, which I actually got into pretty late. But I just realized last night... I still get people exclaiming in disbelief over my gender. Hell, on the rare occasions when I use a mic, I even see people getting angry at the fact that I'm a girl, yelling at me and insisting that I'm actually a 12 year old boy and I should just admit that and stop calling myself Kate.
We still have a long, long way to go in online gender relations.
Here's a weak defense that is probably even more sexist than the original arguement:
Take in mind that this is a survey of people that visit PA. There may be more girl gamers in the general populous, but there may not be that many girl gamers that read this comic and the comic's frontpage, or the SE++ forums.
Man 66K is not that much. I'll be a cop and making that easy but it'll barely be supporting a wife/home/car. You guys must have shitty jobs/or still live with your parents.
I have a hard time believing the average household income
Man, it kinda depresses me.
Given the number of teenagers living at home adding what they assume to be their parents' income together, combined with the number of professionals who post here (remember, we do have a number of highly educated individuals raising the average), it's not surprising. Broke ass 20-somethings would form a minority here.
Also this isn't just the forums.
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Man 66K is not that much. I'll be a cop and making that easy but it'll barely be supporting a wife/home/car. You guys must have shitty jobs/or still live with your parents.
Not every part of the country is as expensive as the rest. For NY, 66k is fuckin' poverty in Westchester, but in a lot of places north of Albany not named Saratoga it'll get you some comfortable living.
I have a hard time believing the average household income
Remember that rich people skew it MASSIVELY. The median is probably significantly lower.
Well, assuming we trimmed the top and bottom 2% of the income figures as well (as was done with the game numbers), out of a sample group of that size, there'd have to be an awful lot of people making 6+ figures to really skew the results.
I suspect it's a combination of multi-income households (4 guys splitting a house at 20k apiece? 80k a year, BAM), couples, and teens noting their parents.
If/when we roll another of these out, perhaps another question could be paired with that one; how many people are in your household? Thus giving us a total income, and the number of people supplying that income, possibly allowing a more accurate average?
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in other words, separate the front page linked people from the forum thread linked people.
I'm thinking the forums poll would have a higher female population than 6%.
Plus it wouldn't take very many people claiming they make $700,000,000,000,000,000.00 a year to throw off the average.
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No, a good chunk of you live in the parent's basement.
In my case, I put down the income of one of my parents because I'm still at college and my recreation is supported through their endeavors.
That's what big sample sizes are for.
Look, just because they didn't have a comics owned / hours spent reading or debating comics per week entry, doesn't mean you get to hate.
Since becoming a mod it's a good week if I visit the front page once. :P
Once a week or once ever? Slacking mods, you're supposed to keep track of typos and forward them to Khoo.
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Also, while I'm sad about the low number of females, it doens't surprise me. What surprises me the most is how only 25% of the people have PS3's. That doesn't bode well for the mainstream if only 1/4 of the gamers here have it.
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I've been playing games online for almost 15 years now, and sure, when I was a pubescent little girl playing Quake deathmatch, it was briefly amusing to see all the pubescent little boys spasming all over themselves to ask "OMG r u really a girl??" I had just kind of assumed that things got better over time, though maybe that had more to do with the fact that I switched from Counter-Strike to EverQuest in 2000, and spent a few years immersed in the MMO scene. The next online FPS I played was TF2, which I actually got into pretty late. But I just realized last night... I still get people exclaiming in disbelief over my gender. Hell, on the rare occasions when I use a mic, I even see people getting angry at the fact that I'm a girl, yelling at me and insisting that I'm actually a 12 year old boy and I should just admit that and stop calling myself Kate.
We still have a long, long way to go in online gender relations.
edit: okay i was wrong.
comments on my Query about First Party?
66k?
I wish =/
There is no game that Khoo can't own.
Take in mind that this is a survey of people that visit PA. There may be more girl gamers in the general populous, but there may not be that many girl gamers that read this comic and the comic's frontpage, or the SE++ forums.
Given the number of teenagers living at home adding what they assume to be their parents' income together, combined with the number of professionals who post here (remember, we do have a number of highly educated individuals raising the average), it's not surprising. Broke ass 20-somethings would form a minority here.
Also this isn't just the forums.
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
Not every part of the country is as expensive as the rest. For NY, 66k is fuckin' poverty in Westchester, but in a lot of places north of Albany not named Saratoga it'll get you some comfortable living.
Remember that rich people skew it MASSIVELY. The median is probably significantly lower.
Well, assuming we trimmed the top and bottom 2% of the income figures as well (as was done with the game numbers), out of a sample group of that size, there'd have to be an awful lot of people making 6+ figures to really skew the results.
I suspect it's a combination of multi-income households (4 guys splitting a house at 20k apiece? 80k a year, BAM), couples, and teens noting their parents.
If/when we roll another of these out, perhaps another question could be paired with that one; how many people are in your household? Thus giving us a total income, and the number of people supplying that income, possibly allowing a more accurate average?