I took the survey and the income figure doesn't surprise or interest me really...
I *am* surprised over the "Average Number of Hours of TV Per Week: 6.1 Hours" figure though. Less than one hour a day? Really?
Seriously, that's a lot lower than I would have guessed. Is no one else surprised by this? I always have my TV on when I game/surf the web etc. I have at least 1 TV in every major room, and 2 in some rooms (how else to watch TV and play my Wii at the same time??)
I estimated 4 hours a day for me, so 28 for a week... and yes I swear I have job/gf/life too!
Am I a TV addict??
edit: I watch a lot of news and sports, so 4 hours a day doesn't seem like a lot.
I pretty much don't watch prime time TV anymore. I watch about 4 hours of prime time TV in a week. I watch some sports, watch news in podcast form the next day, and that's about it. Maybe a couple of movies in a week, but I don't count that as "watching TV"
I estimated 10 I think. If there are no hockey games that interest me from tuesday-thursday I could easily go 3 full days without actually watching any TV.
The 6% female figure made me die a little bit on the inside.
I've been playing games online for almost 15 years now, and sure, when I was a pubescent little girl playing Quake deathmatch, it was briefly amusing to see all the pubescent little boys spasming all over themselves to ask "OMG r u really a girl??" I had just kind of assumed that things got better over time, though maybe that had more to do with the fact that I switched from Counter-Strike to EverQuest in 2000, and spent a few years immersed in the MMO scene. The next online FPS I played was TF2, which I actually got into pretty late. But I just realized last night... I still get people exclaiming in disbelief over my gender. Hell, on the rare occasions when I use a mic, I even see people getting angry at the fact that I'm a girl, yelling at me and insisting that I'm actually a 12 year old boy and I should just admit that and stop calling myself Kate.
We still have a long, long way to go in online gender relations.
You're playing the wrong games, Kate. The biggest group of gamers in the country is women over 40. Go check out the forums at Big Fish Games sometime; it's pretty much all housewives.
I know you didn't mean anything by that, but given the context, telling a girl she's playing "the wrong games" is maybe a little off-key. :P
The 6% female figure made me die a little bit on the inside.
I've been playing games online for almost 15 years now, and sure, when I was a pubescent little girl playing Quake deathmatch, it was briefly amusing to see all the pubescent little boys spasming all over themselves to ask "OMG r u really a girl??" I had just kind of assumed that things got better over time, though maybe that had more to do with the fact that I switched from Counter-Strike to EverQuest in 2000, and spent a few years immersed in the MMO scene. The next online FPS I played was TF2, which I actually got into pretty late. But I just realized last night... I still get people exclaiming in disbelief over my gender. Hell, on the rare occasions when I use a mic, I even see people getting angry at the fact that I'm a girl, yelling at me and insisting that I'm actually a 12 year old boy and I should just admit that and stop calling myself Kate.
We still have a long, long way to go in online gender relations.
You're playing the wrong games, Kate. The biggest group of gamers in the country is women over 40. Go check out the forums at Big Fish Games sometime; it's pretty much all housewives.
I know you didn't mean anything by that, but given the context, telling a girl she's playing "the wrong games" is maybe a little off-key. :P
You need to go buy her "Barefoot & Pregnant" and install it in the kitchen.
The 6% female figure made me die a little bit on the inside.
I've been playing games online for almost 15 years now, and sure, when I was a pubescent little girl playing Quake deathmatch, it was briefly amusing to see all the pubescent little boys spasming all over themselves to ask "OMG r u really a girl??" I had just kind of assumed that things got better over time, though maybe that had more to do with the fact that I switched from Counter-Strike to EverQuest in 2000, and spent a few years immersed in the MMO scene. The next online FPS I played was TF2, which I actually got into pretty late. But I just realized last night... I still get people exclaiming in disbelief over my gender. Hell, on the rare occasions when I use a mic, I even see people getting angry at the fact that I'm a girl, yelling at me and insisting that I'm actually a 12 year old boy and I should just admit that and stop calling myself Kate.
We still have a long, long way to go in online gender relations.
You're playing the wrong games, Kate. The biggest group of gamers in the country is women over 40. Go check out the forums at Big Fish Games sometime; it's pretty much all housewives.
I know you didn't mean anything by that, but given the context, telling a girl she's playing "the wrong games" is maybe a little off-key. :P
You need to go buy her "Barefoot & Pregnant" and install it in the kitchen.
You need to go buy her "Barefoot & Pregnant" and install it in the kitchen.
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I know you were just joking, of course. But the trouble is, the jokes are as annoying as the people who take it seriously, because for every person who actually *recognizes* it as a joke, there are three guys in the corner snorting "heh, hehehe, get in the kitchen!"
That's what I'm talking about. It's a pain in the ass, it's insulting, it's offensive, and one of the reasons why I like PA so much is that people here almost always know better.
The 6% female figure made me die a little bit on the inside.
I've been playing games online for almost 15 years now, and sure, when I was a pubescent little girl playing Quake deathmatch, it was briefly amusing to see all the pubescent little boys spasming all over themselves to ask "OMG r u really a girl??" I had just kind of assumed that things got better over time, though maybe that had more to do with the fact that I switched from Counter-Strike to EverQuest in 2000, and spent a few years immersed in the MMO scene. The next online FPS I played was TF2, which I actually got into pretty late. But I just realized last night... I still get people exclaiming in disbelief over my gender. Hell, on the rare occasions when I use a mic, I even see people getting angry at the fact that I'm a girl, yelling at me and insisting that I'm actually a 12 year old boy and I should just admit that and stop calling myself Kate.
We still have a long, long way to go in online gender relations.
You're playing the wrong games, Kate. The biggest group of gamers in the country is women over 40. Go check out the forums at Big Fish Games sometime; it's pretty much all housewives.
I know you didn't mean anything by that, but given the context, telling a girl she's playing "the wrong games" is maybe a little off-key. :P
You need to go buy her "Barefoot & Pregnant" and install it in the kitchen.
Hey, ironic misogyny. I bet that will make Kate feel better about being ridiculed for playing "boy games".
Not to muddy the pot more but a lot of you have what a "household" is mixed up. Let me put my Census Bureau nerd-hat on:
A "household" includes all persons living in a shared "housing unit" (think independent living spaces, including apartments, rented out rooms [for some agencies only if there is a separate entrance/exit], single family homes, townhouses, etc.). However, in terms of U.S. federal data a "housing unit" does not typically include "group quarters" such as military barracks, college dorms, nursing homes, etc. How data gathering institutions handle this varies quite a bit.
The long and the short is: Many people included their roommates/live-in girlfriends or boyfriends/what have you in the household income, and you are correct. Individuals related by blood or marriage are considered "family units" of which one or more may exist in a single household.
Though to be honest I hardly think the PA staff really care all that much about what you included in "income", but rather wanted a rough estimate of your potential purchasing power (and "personal" income can be a very poor representation of this - think 16 year olds living with parents).
That being said, the only thing that surprised me in the results were all the individuals who owned iPhones. Wow.
The 6% female figure made me die a little bit on the inside.
I've been playing games online for almost 15 years now, and sure, when I was a pubescent little girl playing Quake deathmatch, it was briefly amusing to see all the pubescent little boys spasming all over themselves to ask "OMG r u really a girl??" I had just kind of assumed that things got better over time, though maybe that had more to do with the fact that I switched from Counter-Strike to EverQuest in 2000, and spent a few years immersed in the MMO scene. The next online FPS I played was TF2, which I actually got into pretty late. But I just realized last night... I still get people exclaiming in disbelief over my gender. Hell, on the rare occasions when I use a mic, I even see people getting angry at the fact that I'm a girl, yelling at me and insisting that I'm actually a 12 year old boy and I should just admit that and stop calling myself Kate.
We still have a long, long way to go in online gender relations.
You're playing the wrong games, Kate. The biggest group of gamers in the country is women over 40. Go check out the forums at Big Fish Games sometime; it's pretty much all housewives.
I know you didn't mean anything by that, but given the context, telling a girl she's playing "the wrong games" is maybe a little off-key. :P
You need to go buy her "Barefoot & Pregnant" and install it in the kitchen.
Hey, ironic misogyny. I bet that will make Kate feel better about being ridiculed for playing "boy games".
:?
I was obviously speaking about demographics, and not about "no grrrrrllzz allowed in the boyz games." But if I'm going to get accused of misogyny, I may as well live it up, eh? :P
You're playing the wrong games, Kate. The biggest group of gamers in the country is women over 40. Go check out the forums at Big Fish Games sometime; it's pretty much all housewives.
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The 6% female figure made me die a little bit on the inside.
I've been playing games online for almost 15 years now, and sure, when I was a pubescent little girl playing Quake deathmatch, it was briefly amusing to see all the pubescent little boys spasming all over themselves to ask "OMG r u really a girl??" I had just kind of assumed that things got better over time, though maybe that had more to do with the fact that I switched from Counter-Strike to EverQuest in 2000, and spent a few years immersed in the MMO scene. The next online FPS I played was TF2, which I actually got into pretty late. But I just realized last night... I still get people exclaiming in disbelief over my gender. Hell, on the rare occasions when I use a mic, I even see people getting angry at the fact that I'm a girl, yelling at me and insisting that I'm actually a 12 year old boy and I should just admit that and stop calling myself Kate.
We still have a long, long way to go in online gender relations.
You're playing the wrong games, Kate. The biggest group of gamers in the country is women over 40. Go check out the forums at Big Fish Games sometime; it's pretty much all housewives.
I know you didn't mean anything by that, but given the context, telling a girl she's playing "the wrong games" is maybe a little off-key. :P
You need to go buy her "Barefoot & Pregnant" and install it in the kitchen.
Hey, ironic misogyny. I bet that will make Kate feel better about being ridiculed for playing "boy games".
:?
I was obviously speaking about demographics, and not about "no grrrrrllzz allowed in the boyz games." But if I'm going to get accused of misogyny, I may as well live it up, eh? :P
I think someone kind-of touched on this earlier, but you also have to consider the sampling universe for the survey. It is not "All persons who play games", but rather "All persons who visit the PA site or forums and would participate in a survey conducted by PA". Individuals who are "engaged" in PA (be they male or female) are likely a small and somewhat specialized subset of the larger universe.
You're playing the wrong games, Kate. The biggest group of gamers in the country is women over 40. Go check out the forums at Big Fish Games sometime; it's pretty much all housewives.
You're playing the wrong games, Kate. The biggest group of gamers in the country is women over 40. Go check out the forums at Big Fish Games sometime; it's pretty much all housewives.
I don't understand the drama over income, the age is 26, which means a lot of us are married and have children, how can two professionals make LESS then 66k.
man call me crazy but I have no intentions of being married with kids at 26. What do you people get hitched right after college?
The average age is 26, meaning half the people responding are above it.
$66k is not particularly high; I'll be making $61k right out of college (not even grad school).
No thats the median. We don't know the skew of the poll.
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I was thinking of posting literally this exact thing and then thought "no it'd be too pedantic"
I don't understand the drama over income, the age is 26, which means a lot of us are married and have children, how can two professionals make LESS then 66k.
man call me crazy but I have no intentions of being married with kids at 26. What do you people get hitched right after college?
The average age is 26, meaning half the people responding are above it.
$66k is not particularly high; I'll be making $61k right out of college (not even grad school).
No thats the median. We don't know the skew of the poll.
I don't know who you are but I want to love you
I was thinking of posting literally this exact thing and then thought "no it'd be too pedantic"
take me now
:winky:
People ask me why I'm in grad school for statistics. I usually give some insightful examples of why I like it. But it pretty sure its just gives me a license to be a huge asshole.
When I was little I loved baseball and by extension baseball cards. There are are so many damn numbers on the backs of them and I really wanted to know which numbers were most "important" and why. That kind of got me started.
Then I learned the math and it got to the point where I liked the math just for the sake of the math, regardless of the application.
Now consider that any kind of scientific experiment requires competent statistical analysis and you have practical justification for learning it.
I don't understand the drama over income, the age is 26, which means a lot of us are married and have children, how can two professionals make LESS then 66k.
But then you're assuming that the average household of a PA reader would have two professionals...which is not entirely common.
If by "professionals" you mean people in slightly-higher-paying jobs, likely with degrees, rather than anybody in some form of career.
I know the median household income in the county I'm moving to is in the $40K's. The median family income (so household containing kids, I'd assume) is only in the low $50K's.
When I was little I loved baseball and by extension baseball cards. There are are so many damn numbers on the backs of them and I really wanted to know which numbers were most "important" and why. That kind of got me started.
Then I learned the math and it got to the point where I liked the math just for the sake of the math, regardless of the application.
Now consider that any kind of scientific experiment requires competent statistical analysis and you have practical justification for learning it.
I swear I think I am the only stats guy in existence not at all that interested in baseball (though my masters isn't in stats). I would say 99% of the statisticians I have worked with cite "baseball cards" as the birth of their interest in the discipline.
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Man, I'm all average age, but way below median income. Granted I'm a college student in Cleveland, so that probably has a lot to do with it. Most entry-level positions around here range from $30k-45k. Most people leave this area once they get out of college (as I plan to), which is why most of the greater metropolitan area is full of fucking idiots.
When I was little I loved baseball and by extension baseball cards. There are are so many damn numbers on the backs of them and I really wanted to know which numbers were most "important" and why. That kind of got me started.
Then I learned the math and it got to the point where I liked the math just for the sake of the math, regardless of the application.
Now consider that any kind of scientific experiment requires competent statistical analysis and you have practical justification for learning it.
I swear I think I am the only stats guy in existence not at all that interested in baseball (though my masters isn't in stats). I would say 99% of the statisticians I have worked with cite "baseball cards" as the birth of their interest in the discipline.
When I was little I loved baseball and by extension baseball cards. There are are so many damn numbers on the backs of them and I really wanted to know which numbers were most "important" and why. That kind of got me started.
Then I learned the math and it got to the point where I liked the math just for the sake of the math, regardless of the application.
Now consider that any kind of scientific experiment requires competent statistical analysis and you have practical justification for learning it.
I swear I think I am the only stats guy in existence not at all that interested in baseball (though my masters isn't in stats). I would say 99% of the statisticians I have worked with cite "baseball cards" as the birth of their interest in the discipline.
What sparked your interest?
Dick size, to figure out how many standard deviations he was from the median, :winky:o_O:winky:.
When I was little I loved baseball and by extension baseball cards. There are are so many damn numbers on the backs of them and I really wanted to know which numbers were most "important" and why. That kind of got me started.
Then I learned the math and it got to the point where I liked the math just for the sake of the math, regardless of the application.
Now consider that any kind of scientific experiment requires competent statistical analysis and you have practical justification for learning it.
I swear I think I am the only stats guy in existence not at all that interested in baseball (though my masters isn't in stats). I would say 99% of the statisticians I have worked with cite "baseball cards" as the birth of their interest in the discipline.
What sparked your interest?
Dick size, to figure out how many standard deviations he was from the median, :winky:o_O:winky:.
I don't understand the drama over income, the age is 26, which means a lot of us are married and have children, how can two professionals make LESS then 66k.
But then you're assuming that the average household of a PA reader would have two professionals...which is not entirely common.
If by "professionals" you mean people in slightly-higher-paying jobs, likely with degrees, rather than anybody in some form of career.
I know the median household income in the county I'm moving to is in the $40K's. The median family income (so household containing kids, I'd assume) is only in the low $50K's.
It's not even that complicated.
Gaming is expensive. Being able to afford to be so into gaming that you'd read comics about gaming and post on a forum about gaming requires a substantial disposable income. I mean, I could understand being surprised if this forum was about collecting bottle caps or playing stick ball but computer games cost $60 each, a console costs around $200-$300+ which is not to mention all the peripherals, TVs etc. also required to play them. A lot of the people here are likely to have two or more consoles and a substantial appetite for games, ergo they (or their parents) must have a considerably large disposable income to pay for it all.
It's a hobby which automatically filters for higher income earners and typically only those already into the hobby are likely to spend time on a site dedicated to that hobby.
In any case... you never said what got you into stats. It really was just a love of measuring dicks then?
Well of cour-I mean no!
Not really sure, actually. I think it has mostly to do with the information that can be gleaned from statistics rather than an inherent woody for the formulas and mathematical principles (hence why my degrees are not explicitly in statistics).
My formula profession is as a demographer (i.e. statistician who studies populations), so related topics such as this thread (i.e. survey research) always gets me all hot and bothered (i.e. strangely aroused).
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I pretty much don't watch prime time TV anymore. I watch about 4 hours of prime time TV in a week. I watch some sports, watch news in podcast form the next day, and that's about it. Maybe a couple of movies in a week, but I don't count that as "watching TV"
I estimated 10 I think. If there are no hockey games that interest me from tuesday-thursday I could easily go 3 full days without actually watching any TV.
I know you didn't mean anything by that, but given the context, telling a girl she's playing "the wrong games" is maybe a little off-key. :P
I know you were just joking, of course. But the trouble is, the jokes are as annoying as the people who take it seriously, because for every person who actually *recognizes* it as a joke, there are three guys in the corner snorting "heh, hehehe, get in the kitchen!"
That's what I'm talking about. It's a pain in the ass, it's insulting, it's offensive, and one of the reasons why I like PA so much is that people here almost always know better.
(Almost always).
Hey, ironic misogyny. I bet that will make Kate feel better about being ridiculed for playing "boy games".
:?
A "household" includes all persons living in a shared "housing unit" (think independent living spaces, including apartments, rented out rooms [for some agencies only if there is a separate entrance/exit], single family homes, townhouses, etc.). However, in terms of U.S. federal data a "housing unit" does not typically include "group quarters" such as military barracks, college dorms, nursing homes, etc. How data gathering institutions handle this varies quite a bit.
The long and the short is: Many people included their roommates/live-in girlfriends or boyfriends/what have you in the household income, and you are correct. Individuals related by blood or marriage are considered "family units" of which one or more may exist in a single household.
Though to be honest I hardly think the PA staff really care all that much about what you included in "income", but rather wanted a rough estimate of your potential purchasing power (and "personal" income can be a very poor representation of this - think 16 year olds living with parents).
That being said, the only thing that surprised me in the results were all the individuals who owned iPhones. Wow.
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That was possibly the least surprising thing in the whole survey.
So....yeah nothing surprising here. Carry on.
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I think someone kind-of touched on this earlier, but you also have to consider the sampling universe for the survey. It is not "All persons who play games", but rather "All persons who visit the PA site or forums and would participate in a survey conducted by PA". Individuals who are "engaged" in PA (be they male or female) are likely a small and somewhat specialized subset of the larger universe.
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Domestic engineers perhaps?
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I was thinking of posting literally this exact thing and then thought "no it'd be too pedantic"
take me now
:winky:
People ask me why I'm in grad school for statistics. I usually give some insightful examples of why I like it. But it pretty sure its just gives me a license to be a huge asshole.
such as?
When I was little I loved baseball and by extension baseball cards. There are are so many damn numbers on the backs of them and I really wanted to know which numbers were most "important" and why. That kind of got me started.
Then I learned the math and it got to the point where I liked the math just for the sake of the math, regardless of the application.
Now consider that any kind of scientific experiment requires competent statistical analysis and you have practical justification for learning it.
Only if they had a liberal arts degree.
I put down Cardboard Tube Samurai Figure.
I swear I think I am the only stats guy in existence not at all that interested in baseball (though my masters isn't in stats). I would say 99% of the statisticians I have worked with cite "baseball cards" as the birth of their interest in the discipline.
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What sparked your interest?
Dick size, to figure out how many standard deviations he was from the median, :winky:o_O:winky:.
Bitches know I'm statistically significant.
Know what I am saying?
They are accepting my null hypothesis.
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...laying 'em down right on the table... the anova table..
I reject them reduced models, only accepting full models.
OK, I'm starting to push the applicability of these "analogies".
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It's not even that complicated.
Gaming is expensive. Being able to afford to be so into gaming that you'd read comics about gaming and post on a forum about gaming requires a substantial disposable income. I mean, I could understand being surprised if this forum was about collecting bottle caps or playing stick ball but computer games cost $60 each, a console costs around $200-$300+ which is not to mention all the peripherals, TVs etc. also required to play them. A lot of the people here are likely to have two or more consoles and a substantial appetite for games, ergo they (or their parents) must have a considerably large disposable income to pay for it all.
It's a hobby which automatically filters for higher income earners and typically only those already into the hobby are likely to spend time on a site dedicated to that hobby.
Well of cour-I mean no!
Not really sure, actually. I think it has mostly to do with the information that can be gleaned from statistics rather than an inherent woody for the formulas and mathematical principles (hence why my degrees are not explicitly in statistics).
My formula profession is as a demographer (i.e. statistician who studies populations), so related topics such as this thread (i.e. survey research) always gets me all hot and bothered (i.e. strangely aroused).
BNet: StandrdError#1826
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