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Death of the New Gods is weird, and crap and can be safely ignored, I think.
Really? I've only heard good things about DotNG. But from my understanding, this is just hear say, but Morrison wasn't happy about DotNG because there was some editing glitch that conflicted with what he wanted to do on FC. This is where all the rumors about FC being re-writen started, but from what I can tell other than adding a page there was no re-writing going on.
That is, I would imagine, the point!
their response to this was apparently to immediately order a huge rambling miniseries about what was killing all the new gods and it only sort of accurately tied in to final crisis.
Curiously, I read #4 and #5 while high and loved them. Rest of the time didn't much care for it. Some day I'll smoke up and read the whole thing start to finish and see what happens.
I read it all
Exactly. At least it is when I've used them. But, yeah, it requires a person to actually read the comic. As opposed to something said about the early issues of the Yost & Kyle X-Force where you can skim through it in about two minutes because there's little apparent substance.
What do you think it is to do with?
Oh... I have to actually read it... instead of slapping it with my dick?
Guess I'll go try that. Clearly, my dissatisfaction is based on my ability to understand Morrison's pure genius. Truly I am the Salieri of the comic book world.
The editorial cohesiveness at DC seems to be terrible right now. There doesn't seem to be an effective overall direction with the universe, and what direction there is seems to be stupid.
Yeah, yeah. Everyone likes to get offended by comments like that but I cannot count the number of times in book or comic threads here on PA where people are just nonchalantly "oh, I skim the chapters that aren't about [favorite character]" or "I flipped through this at the store and..."
Or this girlfriend of mine who invites me to her house to "watch" CSI, which inevitably turns out to actually mean that it is playing in the background on mute while she talks to me.
"Reading" is not this binary on/off thing that you either do or you don't. There are levels and degrees. A lot of things are perfectly comprehensible to people who skim or flip and don't require any painstaking attention to detail. Others do. It's no big deal and nobody needs to get all bent out of shape over it.
Oh, I agree. The whole place reeks of me-tooism. The real shame is that DC has a lot of talented people working for them - people I generally tend to enjoy more than the Marvel crowd - but refuses to just step back and let those people do their thing.
I feel like at least 80% of an editor's job should just consist of getting out of the talent's way. Crack down on deadlines, yes. Keep the sausage factory churning, sure. But setting the direction and vision for an entire line? Notwithstanding that I don't think companies really need line-wide "directions", if we must have one it really shouldn't be left up to some random MBA with a background at Nabisco Foods or whatever.
So, in your mind, I invested $30.00, not counting tie-ins, into something that I just skimmed and didn't invest any time and effort into actually reading them?
Either that or you are lacking mental fortitude to comprehend the material.
This isnt rocket science. Some people didint have a problem with the story, and some did.
I don't know, man. I wasn't watching you read it. I would say, without specifically referring to your case, that the fact that somebody spends money on something or other certainly doesn't show anything besides that they spent money on it.
I do think that a lot of people weren't reading FC any differently than they would read some random issue of Spider-Man, and it took them aback. I think, judging by some of the shit I read on the internet, there are apparently plenty of people who think the mere idea of a story that demands rereading and attention is somehow insane.
But I think there were also people - and maybe you were one of these - attentive readers who just bounced off the style that was employed, maybe through not having experienced it elsewhere. I found most of FC very straightforward, but I'm familiar with Morrison (have read literally everything he's ever done), and with other narratives in comics and other media that, as I mentioned a few pages back, really make it seem like a model of transparency by comparison.
So it's not some huge personal failing to not be acquainted or comfortable with with weirder, more experimental storytelling. I do think though that it's very much possible for any committed reader to learn not just to understand it, but to actively appreciate it, with not a huge investment of effort.
I think that is very much a tertiary concern. I think consistency between titles is important for crossovers or linked titles, inasmuch as they're installments in a single overarching story, but if we're talking about trying to keep track of the fifty places Wolverine turns up every month, I just shrug.
I definitely got that impression, especially after reading the FAQ that was posted on CBR. I wasn't sure, but then I read some of the questions and was like, "did you read the story?" Of course, these were also people who repeatedly asked for a reading list even after the guy posted it twice and mentioned he posted it repeatedly. So, I don't know, maybe some people are just dumb.
Well, let's be frank. Most people are dumb. It would be something if there weren't some comic readers in that group.
But what's funny is that if you are really so concerned about your $30 investment, there's a whole bunch of wrap-ups, not to mention FC Annotations, all over the web and on all the major comic news sites (e.g., FC "Cliff Notes"). Oh, hell. Someone already made the list for me. You already have the books. They're yours. So the point is really moot for you. If you don't get it still, then there's a whole bunch of people who've gone and done the work to help you make the most out of that investment.
Hell, Secret Invasion didn't engender nearly as much discussion or analysis. That may be a good thing. It may be because SI was pretty straightforward "heroes punch bad guys till they stop doing evil."
Sigh. Some people can spell "isn't" and "didn't." Perhaps it's your mental failings you should be worried about. The story makes as much sense as anything else, it isn't absurdest in its telling. But being different doesn't make it good. I didn't take anything of significant value from it. Frankly, if it wasn't for Servo, I would now not be rereading it out of spite to you assholes that think it was some sort of transcendental manifesto bestowed upon us by the gods of storytelling.
It was about two issues total, content wise.
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I know you people think I didn't understand final crisis, but you are dead wrong. I understood it perfectly. That doesn't make it less stupid. It also doesn't make it any more stupid. It just makes you think your superior because, what, you enjoyed a writer playing with the linear way stories are told? Yeah, that's fancy. It could have been done better. But hey, wipe the morrison cock off your chin and maybe you'd realize that.
Oh, it's just so hard to choose!
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Well, you obviously haven't read any of my longer posts about FC (the ones where I wasn't replying to inane shit like this) then because if you did then you would know what you're talking about.
I guess that makes two of us.
You dont like it because it is different?o_O
See, it's stuff like this that I don't get. I don't understand why you're going in looking for reasons to throw a shit-fit.
You're acting like there's some sort of conspiracy afoot to make you feel stupid - like the people who said they enjoyed the book are somehow lying about it.
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I like to show off my increadible intellect by reading and comprehending comic-books.
it has nothing to do with that, it has everything to do with people acting like I'm some kind of moronic miscreant for NOT liking it. I've never said a single one of you are stupid for liking it, but you are for attacking me for not thinking it was the pinnacle of the written word.
Quick lesson in logic for you:
"Being different doesn't make it good" is not the same as "Being different makes it bad" (<-- the translation of your statement).
"Being different doesn't make it good" is a way of saying "Different --/--> Good" or "Different does not imply Good". This means that something being different does not tell you anything about whether or not it's good. It could be Different AND Good or Different AND Not Good.
"Being different makes it bad" or "dont like it because it is different" reduces to "Different ----> Bad", which means that if something is different, then it is also bad.
As you can see "Different --/--> Good" and "Different ----> Bad" are not equivalent logical statements.
Yes, my comic-book enriched brain can easily comprehend your argument, but you have to take context into account. If you read more FC you would understand.