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Consonant Extentions

KenninatorKenninator Registered User regular
edited January 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
Alright, something has been bugging me for quite a long time. When I go on Facebook or talk to certain people online, I notice they extend words by typing more of the last consonant, for example, they say "Whattttt?" instead of "Whaaaat?" At least, I think they are trying to extend the words. Anybody know what it's all about or what they are trying to convey?

I don't really want to sound like a snobbish asshole by asking them why they type so odd, because it really doesn't matter, I'm just curious.

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  • MalyonsusMalyonsus Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    They're extending the word. It seems wrong because you can't hold out stops {b, p, t, d k, g, j} (though I guess you could draw out other consonants: hammmmmmmmmmm).

    You're over thinking. It really is just equivalent to "Whaaaat?"

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    The way I see it, it's like adding question marks.

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  • SporkedSporked Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Malyonsus wrote: »
    They're extending the word. It seems wrong because you can't hold out stops {b, p, t, d k, g, j} (though I guess you could draw out other consonants: hammmmmmmmmmm).

    You're over thinking. It really is just equivalent to "Whaaaat?"

    Well, I can understand some people not being bothered by it. But when I read things, I read them as though I were listening to them being spoken. And when a word is written in a way that is not only wrong* but impossible to pronounce properly, I kind of stumble over it... it breaks the flow. If this happens a lot, it's pretty infuriating to wade through. I don't know if every/anyone else reads like this, or if there's another process at work for some types of people but little things like this just plain make things harder to read for me.


    * "Whattttt?" is wrong. It's not phonetically possible, there's no way someone can repeat a stopping consonant at the end of a word and reasonably expect to convey the intonation they actually want to convey to the reader. Unless you're writing the lines of someone who stutters, and even then it's a stretch. Some people might be able to translate or correct it mentally on the fly, but it is pretty much incorrect in every imaginable way.

    Also this should almost be a D+D thread.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    This is going to happen more and more. Starting with pagers, moving through instant messaging and texting, and finally with people constantly being connected to the internet and other networks through their cell/smart phones, this is going to continue for a good long while. The truth is, the written word is making a transition from formal communication to something more akin to oral communication. People text as if they were "chatting", not as if they were writing a 5-paragraph letter. Punctuation, grammar, and spelling hold much less sway in that realm because the nature of the communication is different. You start caring more about efficiency (which created one of my personal peeves - the concatenation of letters/syllables/words/phrases with single letters/numbers or the combinations thereof) and emotional intonation. The latter of these has engendered things like emoticons, and what you mention as "consonant extensions" which are really attempts to mimic a verbal cue. This is similar to TYPING IN ALL CAPS BEING A WIDELY-ACCEPTED REPRESENTATION OF YELLING.


    So, TL;DR - it's only going to happen more and more, so you may as well get used to it. I can't stand it when people replace words with numbers, but all of my friends do it, so the only thing I can do is refuse to use them myself...

    Resistance is futile.

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  • proXimityproXimity Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    It's because people are dumb and can't figure out what the repeated letter should be, and just do it at the end.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I'm curious, what's the deal with "FFFFFFFFFF"? What does it mean, where does it come from? It seems to be something the kids are into these days.

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I think I read somewhere that it was the Japanese version of 'lol'. That might, however, be complete bullshit that I just made up.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    It's just a thing the kids are doing lately. Check out any 13-18 yr olds' Facebook wall; it's all "Heyyyyyyyyyyyyy, how areeeeeee youuuuuuuuuuuu? Last night was crazyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!"

    At least, that's what my sister's looks like. The funny thing is, she's an English major and she can write fine, she just chooses to write her emails like a jackass.

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    KalTorak wrote: »
    I'm curious, what's the deal with "FFFFFFFFFF"? What does it mean, where does it come from? It seems to be something the kids are into these days.

    I thought it was like you're about to yell fuck really loud and it's the anticipation without necessarily saying it.

    Also my friends at college used to say "eff" rather than fuck so maybe that's an attempt at the same sort of thing. Instead of literally typing "eff" it comes out "FFFFF."

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Kenninator wrote: »
    Alright, something has been bugging me for quite a long time. When I go on Facebook or talk to certain people online, I notice they extend words by typing more of the last consonant, for example, they say "Whattttt?" instead of "Whaaaat?" At least, I think they are trying to extend the words. Anybody know what it's all about or what they are trying to convey?

    I don't really want to sound like a snobbish asshole by asking them why they type so odd, because it really doesn't matter, I'm just curious.

    I don't know, why do people write "should of" and use "loose" instead of "lose"? Because most people don't think about what they're writing as an alternative form of communication -- they just think "how do I say this, I'll write it like that."

    I guarantee that the people you're complaining about barely enunciate the T at the end of "what," and they not thinking about how they're writing -- they're just barfing it out, thinking "gawd, why do I have to deal with writing this."

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  • MalyonsusMalyonsus Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Sporked wrote: »
    Malyonsus wrote: »
    They're extending the word. It seems wrong because you can't hold out stops {b, p, t, d k, g, j} (though I guess you could draw out other consonants: hammmmmmmmmmm).

    You're over thinking. It really is just equivalent to "Whaaaat?"

    Well, I can understand some people not being bothered by it. But when I read things, I read them as though I were listening to them being spoken. And when a word is written in a way that is not only wrong* but impossible to pronounce properly, I kind of stumble over it... it breaks the flow. If this happens a lot, it's pretty infuriating to wade through. I don't know if every/anyone else reads like this, or if there's another process at work for some types of people but little things like this just plain make things harder to read for me.


    * "Whattttt?" is wrong. It's not phonetically possible, there's no way someone can repeat a stopping consonant at the end of a word and reasonably expect to convey the intonation they actually want to convey to the reader. Unless you're writing the lines of someone who stutters, and even then it's a stretch. Some people might be able to translate or correct it mentally on the fly, but it is pretty much incorrect in every imaginable way.

    Also this should almost be a D+D thread.

    Yeah, I totally agree with you. It breaks the flow for me, too, because I try to pronounce it and "what-t-t-t-t-t-t" is clearly not what they were going for. I just deal with it because I am a vowed linguistic descriptivist.

    I'd be careful throwing around words like 'wrong' when it comes to emergent linguistic patterns. While English does have an accepted grammar, that grammar only exists through consensus, and is readily able to be changed over time. Words like 'wrong' don't really apply over the long term.

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  • The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    People have bad grammar/spelling habits?? On the Internet???

    We, as a language, hardly have standards anymore. Colloquial is the new correct, and for some of us we just need a vomit a little when we come across things like this.

    We know it's "wrong" but we're a language in which "wrong" doesn't matter. Frankly the majority of people I deal with on a day-to-day basis can barely speak the language, let alone care about how it looks on the page.

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  • SporkedSporked Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Malyonsus wrote: »
    I'd be careful throwing around words like 'wrong' when it comes to emergent linguistic patterns. While English does have an accepted grammar, that grammar only exists through consensus, and is readily able to be changed over time. Words like 'wrong' don't really apply over the long term.

    Well, See I try to avoid even uttering that word on the internet but, Jesus H. Fucking Christ On Pink Flashing Rollerskates man, I just can't get over it. Even the concatenation of wrds n the nm of efcncy, and the vast majority of stupid evolutions of the language make SOME KIND OF SENSE. Adding extra letters to the end of a word is a lazy, ignorant person's stab at adding some kind of emphasis or... something. It'S aBoUt As UsEfUl As ThIs sHiT when it comes to actually conveying a thought. Also, it really messes up my flow, which is, obviously, unforgivable.

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  • seasleepyseasleepy Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    It's really pretty simple -- when you're talking and want to drag out a word, you usually are dragging out the vowel on the last syllable. But when you're typing, it's usually a lot easier to just "drag" out the last letter rather than try to go back and figure out where the vowel for the last syllable is.

    Beyond that, even if you figure out where you'd be extending it while speaking, it might look or pronounce even weirder. See: "howwwwwwwwwwwwwww" vs "hooooooooooooow"
    Willeth wrote: »
    I think I read somewhere that it was the Japanese version of 'lol'. That might, however, be complete bullshit that I just made up.
    I think that's wwwwwwwww.

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  • KenninatorKenninator Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    It's definitely just a time saver to some people, but I try to preserve my language while I type, as I view it beneficial to my own state of mind, and prevents me from trying to abbreviate while I talk. I view instant mesaging conversations as actual conversations with emphasis on certain words. I don't care if other people choose not to, and I don't think less of them. It's just slightly annoying.

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  • edited January 2009
    the FFFFFFFFFFFFF thing to my mind is like an extended 'pft'

    make a fuh noise really drawn out and you'll understand what I mean.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Depending on the context, FFFFFFFFF sounds in my head like someone either trying to hold back laughter, or so shocked/angry they're sputtering.

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