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(UK) TV License advice

LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
edited January 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
So, here's the situation.

I live with 4 people at the minute. We have 2 TVs hooked up for watching TV. Our 1 year TV license expires soon, but since we are pretty skint, 2 other people are moving out in 6 months, and we are not watching TV any more we have decided we will just no longer have a TV license.

In addition to this, one of my housemates is moving out, the one who's name the license is in, and also the one who's bank account the direct debit on the first license was in.

We just canceled the direct debit for the, what seems like, automatic renewal of the license.

So, we are going to take the ariel out of the two TVs, and what I think happens is that they will let us know we are without license. I am not 100% sure though.

So here are my questions:

1. Will they just assume we want a new license, and hassle us for payment, or will they take the canceling of the direct debit as us canceling the license?
2. If they do contact us, it will be in the name of the person who no longer lives here. Who is (in their eyes) responsible for sorting it out? It's all amicable, but I don't know what is tied to the household, and what is tied to the individual.
3. This isn't a big deal, but with regards to the iplayer, and other channel streaming, is this allowed without a license?

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  • areaarea Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    iPlayer is allowed without a license, but watching anything that is being streamed live does require a license.

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  • RookRook Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Yes, they will always assume you want a license and ask you for it. Generally you can ignore those letters, and they might not do anything about it.

    If they do show up, you're not under any obligation to let them in, you can tell them to sod off and come back with a court order.

    As for who's responsible, I think it's down to how you've sorted out the tenancy agreement, if it's a joint tenancy agreement it's all of you.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    If there isn't a TV licence at the address, they will assume that you are illegally watching TV and bombard you with threatening letters, phone calls, and very rude and aggressive people will turn up at your door every so often. The latter love to imply that they have the right to enter and search your property. They don't. Tell them you're calling the Police if they try.

    Honestly, I didn't own a TV for about the first year after Imoved out of my parents house, and the amount of harassment I got was unbelievable.

    Whether you need one license or several depends on your living arrangements. There needs to be one license to cover any TVs in communal areas, and an additional license for any TV in a private area.

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  • SeolSeol Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    area wrote: »
    iPlayer is allowed without a license, but watching anything that is being streamed live does require a license.
    FWIW, even from outside the UK.

    This covers most of the eventualities and corner cases.

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  • LewieP's MummyLewieP's Mummy Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    1. Will they just assume we want a new license, and hassle us for payment?

    Yes.

    2. If they do contact us, it will be in the name of the person who no longer lives here?

    Yes, then they will write to "The occupier".

    3. This isn't a big deal, but with regards to channel streaming, is this allowed without a license?

    No.

    Get a new licence, Lewie! Pay for it in instalments and then stop paying it when you move out. xoxoxoxo

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    A guy took the ability to connect any external terrestrial aerial out of his tv once and still got billed for it, get rid of the tvs and use your PC. Can they charge you for your PC? I mean I doubt it and they can't tell thats what youre using it for either.

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  • Red_CascadeRed_Cascade Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    From the TV Licensing website
    You must be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV. It makes no difference what equipment you use - whether it’s a laptop, PC, mobile phone, digital box, DVD recorder or a TV set - you still need a licence.

    You do not need a TV Licence to view video clips on the internet, as long as what you are viewing is not being shown on TV at the same time as you are viewing it.

    So if you are not watching TV as it is broadcast you do not need a licence (so, you can use iPlayer as this only shows stuff after is has been broadcast).

    However, as other people have stated if you don't have a licence, you will be hounded like crazy to get one. If you have a TV you use for other things (like a console), honestly I would just get a licence and split the cost with the others.... less agro plus you have the option of using TV if you ever want it (A must see program suddenly comes on-air). Cost wise a year license is £140 (ish), so the two that are there for 6 months pay £25 each, the two there for 12 pay £50 (if you all pay upfront of course, monthly direct debit will work out more I think)

    If you are adimant not to get one as you dont use TV, just ignore all the letters, if they ever phone just state you dont use a TV and hang up, and if they ever call round you are under no obligation to let anyone into your property without a court order / police escort (which they will never get as it isn't cost effection for them to go for). However they will keep calling / writing / coming over... it is all essentially bully tactics as obviosuly no one dosn't watch TV, so anyone without a licence must be a criminal.

    As a random aside, a TV Licence is for the property not for a person, so... if you did get one and you move out you need to actually tell them to move it to your new address otherwise it still applies to the old one. (i.e. the license dosn't automatically move when you do)

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  • Anarchy Rules!Anarchy Rules! Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Rather than ignoring the license people, things seem to go a lot smoother if you just ring them up, tell them you're not watching TV. That way you don't get letters, phonecalls and people coming by.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I guess I'll try phoning them. Hopefully they will be reasonable.

    And yeah, on principal I wouldn't let anyone into my house to check on TVs unless they had a court order. Even then, I would just eat the TV.

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  • KezzerdrixxKezzerdrixx Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Fwiw I have twice gotten away with not having a license and using my TV as a "monitor" for consoles.

    I even had people come round and check and they left me alone after seeing that I clearly did just that.

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  • areaarea Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I'm slightly mystified by everyone saying you'll be hounded. We moved into this house back in the summer, informed the TV Licensing people that we would not be purchasing a license, and were subsequently told that we'd be visited by them in the future.

    We're yet to hear anything more from them.

    EDIT: I could have sworn Anarchy Rules!'s post didn't exist.

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  • Red_CascadeRed_Cascade Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    The only property I lived in that didn't have a licence (and didn't need one) was on campus at uni, may have been something about the demographic there that caused the hounding.

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  • SporkAndrewSporkAndrew Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2009
    Yeah, if you're living in student accommodation that has had a licence before you're going to get non-stop hounding because they know it's an easy revenue stream for fines because of unknowing students letting the inspectors in.

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  • corcorigancorcorigan Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Yeah, if you're living in student accommodation that has had a licence before you're going to get non-stop hounding because they know it's an easy revenue stream for fines because of unknowing students letting the inspectors in.

    I just phoned them up when I was in halls. They asked when they could come round to inspect and I said I'm only around before 7am, after 10pm and occasionally on Sundays so they'd just have to knock and hope. That was the end of that.

    Just get one if you're in a flat though. Way easier.

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  • Willeh DeeWilleh Dee Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Yeah, if you're living in student accommodation that has had a licence before you're going to get non-stop hounding because they know it's an easy revenue stream for fines because of unknowing students letting the inspectors in.

    Just throw the letters out and refuse to let anyone who comes round in, I did this for 2 years, after a letter a month warning of the most dire of consequences even after I phoned them and told them I did not require a licence.

    I was even told on the phone how they would send a van round with equipment that could tell if I was picking up a signal or not as well as inspectors, its all a load of rubbish, they have no power, no one ever came knocking.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited January 2009
    Your mother told you to pay the license, pay the license. If it makes you feel any better the license fee is pretty spectacular value.

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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    If you don't watch TV, just phone up and tell them when they post you a reminder. They say they are going to send someone round to check, but they never have sent anyone round to me.

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