MTV is issuing a boycott of WMG because they said developers don't give them enough money, and if they don't start giving them more, they're going to stop letting them use their music.
Lolz at the greedy record labels. They seem determined to run their business into the ground. What we have a way to actually sell music to people instead of them stealing it? Quick double the price so I can buy more blow.
There are surprisingly little details I can find on this though. It seems to be more of a soft boycott while they are negotiating. There doesn't seem to be any big press release as of yet. What will be interesting is if MTV completely boycotts WMG across all its products and not just Rock Band.
Man, that list makes up, like, half of the Rock Band 2 setlist.
Also, if it wasn't bad enough that people were unsure if Metallica had gone exclusive to Guitar Hero, now they're under the Warner label. Now we'll have double the paranoia.
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Well, according to Metallica's Wiki page, only Death Magnetic was under WMG and it says the contract with them ran out in Nov of last year. There is no update on a current label.
EDIT:
Oh shit, nevermind. I just remembered something about Elektra and when I checked, they're owned by Warner.
I wonder if the music business will ever realise that scorched earth policies only work if you don't care that there is nothing left when you're done?
Well at least that'll solve the Youtube problem, lol (any videos of people playing RB with WMG songs have been getting taken down for the last few months).
But honestly, this has to hurt WMG far more than MTV... despite not being able to offer choice bands the amount of other bands available is pretty much infinite I'd think.
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BlackDragon480Bluster KerfuffleMaster of Windy ImportRegistered Userregular
edited February 2009
Fuck me!
If true, that's a huge blow as there are a metric ton of good bands on that list.
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GODDAMMIT! What the fuck, MTV. What the fuck. Chili Peppers are on that list, you fucking assholes. Now my hopes and dreams of seeing RHCP stuff from the 80's is crushed.
This will now never happen as an album download. I was waiting for it, even if it was like three years down the line, I could have waited. I'm a patient man.
You are pissed at MTV? Really? How bout the greedy fucks at the record label who think they should get the lions share of the money? Right now my understanding is the label, artist, MTV/harmonix and either Sony, Nintendo or MS each get a 1/4th of the money. So with WMG wanting more either someone has to give up their share of the cash or we start seeing 3 and 4 dollar songs. This is the best advertising the record labels have had in years and they are actually making money instead of paying for it. WMG is being fucking stupid.
Since I found out SONY now owns Columbia, here's a list of SONY's labels. And here is a list of EMI labels.
There is plenty of opportunity for good music to be had. And that doesn't even cover many of the indie labels that exist or don't release anything in partnership with WMG.
You are pissed at MTV? Really? How bout the greedy fucks at the record label who think they should get the lions share of the money? Right now my understanding is the label, artist, MTV/harmonix and either Sony, Nintendo or MS each get a 1/4th of the money. So with WMG wanting more either someone has to give up their share of the cash or we start seeing 3 and 4 dollar songs. This is the best advertising the record labels have had in years and they are actually making money instead of paying for it. WMG is being fucking stupid.
Record labels should get the lion's share of the money. This is why it is a record label. This is the whole meaning of rights to music, etc.
And MTV threw the first punch on this apparently, it's not as if Warner was asking for more.
EDIT: Hmm, Porcupine Tree is on that list, I know there were people on these boards who were clamoring for them.
You are pissed at MTV? Really? How bout the greedy fucks at the record label who think they should get the lions share of the money? Right now my understanding is the label, artist, MTV/harmonix and either Sony, Nintendo or MS each get a 1/4th of the money. So with WMG wanting more either someone has to give up their share of the cash or we start seeing 3 and 4 dollar songs. This is the best advertising the record labels have had in years and they are actually making money instead of paying for it. WMG is being fucking stupid.
Record labels should get the lion's share of the money.
I completely disagree with this. On just about every level. For doing the least amount of the work, they should get the least amount of the pay. I mean they do nothing different than when they put the song on itunes and yet they want more money, just because. They also negotiated a deal with HMX and then when they realized HMX was making a profit they attempted to change the deal.
You are pissed at MTV? Really? How bout the greedy fucks at the record label who think they should get the lions share of the money? Right now my understanding is the label, artist, MTV/harmonix and either Sony, Nintendo or MS each get a 1/4th of the money. So with WMG wanting more either someone has to give up their share of the cash or we start seeing 3 and 4 dollar songs. This is the best advertising the record labels have had in years and they are actually making money instead of paying for it. WMG is being fucking stupid.
Record labels should get the lion's share of the money.
I completely disagree with this. On just about every level. For doing the least amount of the work, they should get the least amount of the pay. I mean they do nothing different than when they put the song on itunes and yet they want more money, just because. They also negotiated a deal with HMX and then when they realized HMX was making a profit they attempted to change the deal.
And what is this shit saying record labels should get most of the money? I'd have figured the artists should be getting the most out of the sale of their music. But fuck them, I guess. They should be satisfied with getting maybe a dollar off of every new CD sold. Maybe.
And by the way, Unbreakable, Warner has been flexing their nuts over demanding more for whatever it is they do for a while now. MTV has basically just told them to get over themselves since they can provide a measure of proof that record sales increase due to inclusion in rhythm music games.
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edited February 2009
The record labels are a dying breed and they can go fuck themselves
That said, there aren't any artists that I'm really broken up about losing on this list. I would be sad about the Chili Peppers but their best album is already in my possession so whatever.
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Since late 2008, WMG has continually pulled various other YouTube videos featuring music belonging to various bands and music labels, regardless of disclaimers. Many of these claims have included videos belonging to groups who are not signed with WMG.
I'm sure when the RIAA realizes that WMG not being in any games leads to a huge ass decrease in profit, they'll force game companies to make accomodations.
Fix'd. Gotta protect the monopoly. Also, record labels rarely ever realise their mistakes and they just find a way to recoup against royalties when profits go down.
You are pissed at MTV? Really? How bout the greedy fucks at the record label who think they should get the lions share of the money? Right now my understanding is the label, artist, MTV/harmonix and either Sony, Nintendo or MS each get a 1/4th of the money. So with WMG wanting more either someone has to give up their share of the cash or we start seeing 3 and 4 dollar songs. This is the best advertising the record labels have had in years and they are actually making money instead of paying for it. WMG is being fucking stupid.
Record labels should get the lion's share of the money. This is why it is a record label. This is the whole meaning of rights to music, etc.
And MTV threw the first punch on this apparently, it's not as if Warner was asking for more.
EDIT: Hmm, Porcupine Tree is on that list, I know there were people on these boards who were clamoring for them.
The label should get more than the artist? Really? They are doing the least out of those four groups, and they're lucky to get an equal cut. And Warner was asking for more, that was the problem. They were not happy with their 25% and wanted more. And MTV was right to tell them to go fuck themselves. This sucks because there are good bands on that list, but I think Warner will cave sooner rather than later. RB and GH are probably their most reliable source of income these days.
David_TA fashion yes-man is no good to me.Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered Userregular
edited February 2009
So I'm guessing now is the time for Activision to go to Warner and say "Hey, tough break with the Rock Band thing. Hey, we'll pay what you want, you just have to convince one of your bands to make their stuff available. Yeah, second on the list of L's. It'll take some time, call us when you're done."
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Whys that?
MTV struck first.
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There are surprisingly little details I can find on this though. It seems to be more of a soft boycott while they are negotiating. There doesn't seem to be any big press release as of yet. What will be interesting is if MTV completely boycotts WMG across all its products and not just Rock Band.
Also, if it wasn't bad enough that people were unsure if Metallica had gone exclusive to Guitar Hero, now they're under the Warner label. Now we'll have double the paranoia.
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EDIT:
Oh shit, nevermind. I just remembered something about Elektra and when I checked, they're owned by Warner.
I wonder if the music business will ever realise that scorched earth policies only work if you don't care that there is nothing left when you're done?
Dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit
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I sure am glad that list includes every single artist I've been anxiously awaiting DLC from since November 2007.
I mean, not that I'm in denial, but all that was linked was bands labeled by WMG
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This is what I have found.
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123983
March issue of Wired has some info I guess.
My thoughts exactly. So much for hoping for "Absolution" to come out as album dlc.
But honestly, this has to hurt WMG far more than MTV... despite not being able to offer choice bands the amount of other bands available is pretty much infinite I'd think.
If true, that's a huge blow as there are a metric ton of good bands on that list.
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This will now never happen as an album download. I was waiting for it, even if it was like three years down the line, I could have waited. I'm a patient man.
!@$^!#$$
I would hope for a quick resolution.
SONY Music Entertainment
EMI
Columbia Records (actually a subgroup of [strike]EMI[/strike] SONY, but a bigger list)
And here's a list of all the labels owned by Universal Music Group.
That covers the rest of the 'Big Four'. The best way to look at it is like a kind of exclusivity deal.
EDIT:
Oops. Columbia is now owned by SONY Music...
You are pissed at MTV? Really? How bout the greedy fucks at the record label who think they should get the lions share of the money? Right now my understanding is the label, artist, MTV/harmonix and either Sony, Nintendo or MS each get a 1/4th of the money. So with WMG wanting more either someone has to give up their share of the cash or we start seeing 3 and 4 dollar songs. This is the best advertising the record labels have had in years and they are actually making money instead of paying for it. WMG is being fucking stupid.
There is plenty of opportunity for good music to be had. And that doesn't even cover many of the indie labels that exist or don't release anything in partnership with WMG.
Record labels should get the lion's share of the money. This is why it is a record label. This is the whole meaning of rights to music, etc.
And MTV threw the first punch on this apparently, it's not as if Warner was asking for more.
EDIT: Hmm, Porcupine Tree is on that list, I know there were people on these boards who were clamoring for them.
I completely disagree with this. On just about every level. For doing the least amount of the work, they should get the least amount of the pay. I mean they do nothing different than when they put the song on itunes and yet they want more money, just because. They also negotiated a deal with HMX and then when they realized HMX was making a profit they attempted to change the deal.
And what is this shit saying record labels should get most of the money? I'd have figured the artists should be getting the most out of the sale of their music. But fuck them, I guess. They should be satisfied with getting maybe a dollar off of every new CD sold. Maybe.
And by the way, Unbreakable, Warner has been flexing their nuts over demanding more for whatever it is they do for a while now. MTV has basically just told them to get over themselves since they can provide a measure of proof that record sales increase due to inclusion in rhythm music games.
Or maybe doubling the price of DLC is worth it...
That said, there aren't any artists that I'm really broken up about losing on this list. I would be sad about the Chili Peppers but their best album is already in my possession so whatever.
What an incredibly ignorant thing to say. It's almost like you haven't been paying attention.
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Also, from their Wikipedia article;
Warner owns the rights to "Happy Birthday"
I'm sure when WMG realizes that not being in any games leads to a huge ass decrease in profit, they'll realize what douches they are.
Fix'd. Gotta protect the monopoly. Also, record labels rarely ever realise their mistakes and they just find a way to recoup against royalties when profits go down.
Bah, who needs that song anyway?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8npI0Xe2wi4
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The label should get more than the artist? Really? They are doing the least out of those four groups, and they're lucky to get an equal cut. And Warner was asking for more, that was the problem. They were not happy with their 25% and wanted more. And MTV was right to tell them to go fuck themselves. This sucks because there are good bands on that list, but I think Warner will cave sooner rather than later. RB and GH are probably their most reliable source of income these days.
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