You are pissed at MTV? Really? How bout the greedy fucks at the record label who think they should get the lions share of the money? Right now my understanding is the label, artist, MTV/harmonix and either Sony, Nintendo or MS each get a 1/4th of the money. So with WMG wanting more either someone has to give up their share of the cash or we start seeing 3 and 4 dollar songs. This is the best advertising the record labels have had in years and they are actually making money instead of paying for it. WMG is being fucking stupid.
Record labels should get the lion's share of the money. This is why it is a record label. This is the whole meaning of rights to music, etc.
And MTV threw the first punch on this apparently, it's not as if Warner was asking for more.
EDIT: Hmm, Porcupine Tree is on that list, I know there were people on these boards who were clamoring for them.
The label should get more than the artist? Really? They are doing the least out of those four groups, and they're lucky to get an equal cut.
You mean the people who actually help get the word out about the band, promote the band, make deals so their stuff can be put on iTunes or on CDs? Get airtime on MTV (or similar stations), on broadcast radio? The producers who help guide the sound of the band, all the technicians who work on sound mixing, etc. You really think they don't deserve an equal, if not higher, share than the band?
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Led Zeppelin is good, but fuck, I can't wait till the people clamoring for them to be on Rock Band realize that a good majority of their stuff would not be fun to play.
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You mean the people who actually help get the word out about the band, promote the band, make deals so their stuff can be put on iTunes or on CDs? Get airtime on MTV (or similar stations), on broadcast radio? The producers who help guide the sound of the band, all the technicians who work on sound mixing, etc. You really think they don't deserve an equal, if not higher, share than the band?
You should save the bleeding heart routine for other, more deserving people.
You mean the people who actually help get the word out about the band, promote the band, make deals so their stuff can be put on iTunes or on CDs? Get airtime on MTV (or similar stations), on broadcast radio? The producers who help guide the sound of the band, all the technicians who work on sound mixing, etc. You really think they don't deserve an equal, if not higher, share than the band?
You should save the bleeding heart routine for other, more deserving people.
You mean the people who actually help get the word out about the band, promote the band, make deals so their stuff can be put on iTunes or on CDs? Get airtime on MTV (or similar stations), on broadcast radio? The producers who help guide the sound of the band, all the technicians who work on sound mixing, etc. You really think they don't deserve an equal, if not higher, share than the band?
You should save the bleeding heart routine for other, more deserving people.
Fair enough, but that wouldn't include musicians.
Then why not just be happy that everybody gets a fair cut? By the time HMX (or whomever) gets the tracks, all that work has been already performed. This shit falls under secondary licensing or somesuch and essentially becomes wholly free revenue. WMGs actions and motivations are not unlike trying to cook the goose that lays the golden eggs.
You mean the people who actually help get the word out about the band, promote the band, make deals so their stuff can be put on iTunes or on CDs? Get airtime on MTV (or similar stations), on broadcast radio? The producers who help guide the sound of the band, all the technicians who work on sound mixing, etc. You really think they don't deserve an equal, if not higher, share than the band?
You should save the bleeding heart routine for other, more deserving people.
Fair enough, but that wouldn't include musicians.
Then why not just be happy that everybody gets a fair cut? By the time HMX (or whomever) gets the tracks, all that work has been already performed. This shit falls under secondary licensing or somesuch and essentially becomes wholly free revenue. WMGs actions and motivations are not unlike trying to cook the goose that lays the golden eggs.
I'm actually agreeing with you there (I was operating under the notion that MTV struck the first blow in all this, as was stated a couple pages back), but I was more attacking the idea that, in the original production of the music, labels should not get an equal share. That's just ludicrous.
But this is pretty bullshit, yeah. Didn't we have a similar scare to this though when Rock Band 1 first came out? Something that would have potentially threatened Who's Next?
You are pissed at MTV? Really? How bout the greedy fucks at the record label who think they should get the lions share of the money? Right now my understanding is the label, artist, MTV/harmonix and either Sony, Nintendo or MS each get a 1/4th of the money. So with WMG wanting more either someone has to give up their share of the cash or we start seeing 3 and 4 dollar songs. This is the best advertising the record labels have had in years and they are actually making money instead of paying for it. WMG is being fucking stupid.
Record labels should get the lion's share of the money. This is why it is a record label. This is the whole meaning of rights to music, etc.
And MTV threw the first punch on this apparently, it's not as if Warner was asking for more.
EDIT: Hmm, Porcupine Tree is on that list, I know there were people on these boards who were clamoring for them.
The label should get more than the artist? Really? They are doing the least out of those four groups, and they're lucky to get an equal cut.
You mean the people who actually help get the word out about the band, promote the band, make deals so their stuff can be put on iTunes or on CDs? Get airtime on MTV (or similar stations), on broadcast radio? The producers who help guide the sound of the band, all the technicians who work on sound mixing, etc. You really think they don't deserve an equal, if not higher, share than the band?
This is less and less the case now that bands are able to distribute and promote their material independently. Many bands are skipping labels entirely, at least the major labels, and releasing their material through their websites or through independent labels.
Most of the Warner bands come from an earlier time, of course. But the thing is, they already did all of this promotion and distribution and got a far greater cut from the sales of CDs than the bands did. They're already on top in all of this. So why should they get more money from Rock Band sales when they're not doing anything? If anything this is a chance for the bands to make some money, since they make very little on CD sales. But again, most of those bands don't need the extra help, so it makes sense for it to be an equal distribution.
Basically, bands can exist fine without labels, but the labels wouldn't exist without the bands. When the labels get a bigger cut of the money, something is wrong.
MTV only took the first definitive action (if all this is true of course... Wired could be making shit up...) in response to WMG flexing their 'muscle'. RB stands to lose out on many potentially profitable artists and songs, but as I listed, there are shitloads more songs available elsewhere and it's not an unlikely scenario that the other labels would be even more willing to make deals just to fuck over Warner and gain an edge.
Led Zeppelin is good, but fuck, I can't wait till the people clamoring for them to be on Rock Band realize that a good majority of their stuff would not be fun to play.
I agree. A lot of it wouldn't be suitable. But then there's stuff like this:
MTV only took the first definitive action (if all this is true of course... Wired could be making shit up...) in response to WMG flexing their 'muscle'. RB stands to lose out on many potentially profitable artists and songs, but as I listed, there are shitloads more songs available elsewhere and it's not an unlikely scenario that the other labels would be even more willing to make deals just to fuck over Warner and gain an edge.
Having not really read the article, just selected quotes, I am more getting the impression that HMX was just like if you guys want to fuck around with the muscle flexing we will go ahead and work with the labels that see value in our product. Give us a holler when you come to your senses.
Didn't several labels try this shit with Apple and itunes a few years back and steve jobs told them to get fucked? Everyone is making money off this shit just shut up and milk it already. Rock Band is already the most expensive game ever and we don't actually have any kind of guarantee that our music will carry over to the next console generation, don't push me. I love the game to death but at certain point you have to be a little pragmatic about it. $4 a song isn't happening in my world.
Unless its Kings of Leon, then I will pay you know whatever.
MTV only took the first definitive action (if all this is true of course... Wired could be making shit up...) in response to WMG flexing their 'muscle'. RB stands to lose out on many potentially profitable artists and songs, but as I listed, there are shitloads more songs available elsewhere and it's not an unlikely scenario that the other labels would be even more willing to make deals just to fuck over Warner and gain an edge.
Having not really read the article, just selected quotes, I am more getting the impression that HMX was just like if you guys want to fuck around with the muscle flexing we will go ahead and work with the labels that see value in our product. Give us a holler when you come to your senses.
Didn't several labels try this shit with Apple and itunes a few years back and steve jobs told them to get fucked? Everyone is making money off this shit just shut up and milk it already. Rock Band is already the most expensive game ever and we don't actually have any kind of guarantee that our music will carry over to the next console generation, don't push me. I love the game to death but at certain point you have to be a little pragmatic about it. $4 a song isn't happening in my world.
Unless its Kings of Leon, then I will pay you know whatever.
I have an idea:
Maybe MTV/HMX/whoever should offer to pay a larger up front license fee in exchange for making it recoupable against future sales. Show those fuckers how it's done...
Black Dog
Bron-Yr-Aur Stomp
Communication Breakdown
Dancing Days
Gallows Pole
Good Times Bad Times
Heartbreaker
Houses of the Holy
Immigrant Song (have fun, singer!)
In My Time of Dying
Misty Mountain Hop (would be way fun on drums)
Over the Hills and Far Away
Ramble On
Rock and Roll (though I've never cared for it)
The Ocean (more fun on the drums)
Trampled Underfoot
The Song Remains the Same (maybe)
There are a few more that I would want to play, but would probably not be suited for the mainstream group of players of pretend instruments.
Oh you crazy record labels. You have provided us with countless hours of
Lets hope a compromise can be reached that will allow all of us (the people who all this music was really created for) to enjoy it. Although there were some big names on this supposed no more DLC group, there are still plenty and plenty of awesome songs available.
Also, Led Zeppelin would be great for Rock Band. No one is asking for or expecting a full catalog, but they definitely have some awesome songs that would be great for Rock Band.
I was in a band that actually was lucky enough to have enough success to draw the attention of record labels. They are the devil. They deserve nothing, and will be extinct in the next 10-20 years as people just start digitally distributing things themselves. I totally applaud MTV for this.
Also, everything of R.E.M.'s prior to the album "Green" is owned by someone else, I believe (I'm pretty sure it's EMI.) It was all done under IRS Records, which EMI bought. I know the re-release of Murmur was done as IRS/UMe being the label, but IRS technically doesn't exist anymore so I think it was more of a fan throwback thing.
Either way - when Warner re-released their entire catalog a couple years back, it started with Green and went up to the present, so MURMUR full album download is still worth hoping for...
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Either way - when Warner re-released their entire catalog a couple years back, it started with Green and went up to the present, so MURMUR full album download is still worth hoping for...
The only real losses here are Muse and Porcupine Tree.
And gosh, there go my hopes of "Kiss from a Rose" in rock band. :P
Well, Porcupine Tree could technically still be in RB. Albums previous In Absentia are owned by Kscope/Snapper, so those are definitely possible. While probably not being totally ideal to Rock Band while compared to post IA stuff, the pre stuff has some pretty damned rocking tunes.
And then considering Wilson's a big stickler with his music I'm pretty sure he probably has rights to do whatever the fuck he pleases with his music (he stated in quite a few interviews that there were a bunch of things that needed to happen with any new label he signed with, etc). That and they did release a live album on Snapper a bit ago, which included songs from post IA.
I'll probably never really get my hopes up on getting PT in Rock Band, though. As much as it'd probably be the greatest thing ever and I'd buy it the second it came out, I doubt Wilson would really let it happen. Right now he's pretty far up his own arse (and I say this with as much respect as possible) in the whole music should only be listened to with the absolute complete package that comes with the album.
So I've started playing some Rock Band again with the aim of maybe picking up 2 in the near future only to find that the motion sensor for overdrive on my guitar is totally fucked. Is there any way to fix this myself, has anyone had luck RMAing launch instruments recently, or am I boned here?
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edited February 2009
Last October they stopped allowing returns for anything purchased after 60 days, and they also require receipt verification.
EDIT: Just for clarification - this was their policy all along, but they just had extended it to any return at all after the overwhelming RMA demand from Rock Band 1.
Yeah, you are well out of your warranty. If you want to attempt to fix it yourself, check out this thread over on Scorehero. I dont know if they have a fix for what your particular problem might be, but it couldnt hurt to check.
Also, its not uncommon to come across cheap plastic guitars nowadays. You should keep your eyes open for any good deals and skip the hassle of doing your own repairs.
I didn't buy any music for probably 8 years. Then Rock Band came out and I couldn't stop buying music.
Any record label that does anything to slow down or stifle the process of getting stuff released on RB is completely fucking stupid.
All instances have shown me that Warner Music is a fucking stupid company. I did a microeconomics project on the music recording industry last semester. One thing I mentioned in it was how one of Warner's brilliant ideas to increase revenue was going to be to establish a changing price-point that essentially increases and decreases with a song's popularity. That's a fantastic way to compete with iTunes...
They and other labels are too busy trying to pin their misfortune on music piracy to realize that legal digital music sales are increasing at a huge rate, and instead of coming up with good ideas to increase revenues, they do things that end up stifling sales, such as charging more for licensing to video games and pissing off companies that license their music enough to make them boycott.
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While it hasn't affected my playing too much, I think I'm gonna have to peel off the rubber covers on my red and yellow pads from my RB2 kit and replace them with some circular mouse pads. Gluing them every other week is pointless once the center of the rubber pad has expanded.
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edited February 2009
All you guys talking like this means that MTV will NEVER license WMG stuff EVER AGAIN are overreacting. Maybe that'll happen, but I doubt it. Someone will cave.
If we want Rock Band to remain fun and affordable, it better be WMG.
Anyway, there's no bands on that label that I would really miss.
As someone who's just recently gotten WAY into Muse, WMG can go wander into traffic. Blindfolded. And drunk. Here's to their eventual extinction.
It also stings to have even the distantly remote possibility of LZ off the table for the time being. I would feel the same if Pink Floyd's label were banned. Regardless of how unlikely we are to get anything from them, I just like the fact that it's possible.
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edited February 2009
We weren't going to be getting anything from Muse anyway, as far as I can see it. We've only had one Muse release for Rock Band, everything else has gone to GH:WT.
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I would much rather have Pink Floyd than Zep. This is personal taste speaking, but even if they wouldn't be as fun to play, they'd be far better to listen to!
And I want a lot more fucking Muse, so this sucks.
The only real losses here are Muse and Porcupine Tree.
And gosh, there go my hopes of "Kiss from a Rose" in rock band. :P
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You mean the people who actually help get the word out about the band, promote the band, make deals so their stuff can be put on iTunes or on CDs? Get airtime on MTV (or similar stations), on broadcast radio? The producers who help guide the sound of the band, all the technicians who work on sound mixing, etc. You really think they don't deserve an equal, if not higher, share than the band?
Wait, sense when?
I thought all the songs on Wii Music were on there because they weren't owned by anyone, they were free property.
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Pistols at dawn, sir.
You should save the bleeding heart routine for other, more deserving people.
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Fair enough, but that wouldn't include musicians.
Then why not just be happy that everybody gets a fair cut? By the time HMX (or whomever) gets the tracks, all that work has been already performed. This shit falls under secondary licensing or somesuch and essentially becomes wholly free revenue. WMGs actions and motivations are not unlike trying to cook the goose that lays the golden eggs.
I'm actually agreeing with you there (I was operating under the notion that MTV struck the first blow in all this, as was stated a couple pages back), but I was more attacking the idea that, in the original production of the music, labels should not get an equal share. That's just ludicrous.
But this is pretty bullshit, yeah. Didn't we have a similar scare to this though when Rock Band 1 first came out? Something that would have potentially threatened Who's Next?
This was my first thought upon seeing this news.
This is less and less the case now that bands are able to distribute and promote their material independently. Many bands are skipping labels entirely, at least the major labels, and releasing their material through their websites or through independent labels.
Most of the Warner bands come from an earlier time, of course. But the thing is, they already did all of this promotion and distribution and got a far greater cut from the sales of CDs than the bands did. They're already on top in all of this. So why should they get more money from Rock Band sales when they're not doing anything? If anything this is a chance for the bands to make some money, since they make very little on CD sales. But again, most of those bands don't need the extra help, so it makes sense for it to be an equal distribution.
Basically, bands can exist fine without labels, but the labels wouldn't exist without the bands. When the labels get a bigger cut of the money, something is wrong.
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I agree. A lot of it wouldn't be suitable. But then there's stuff like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vB3MEwaodA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is55V590R6o&feature=related
And especially this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VidzZo35-Us&feature=related
I mean, come on, that solo?
Hell, both of them are great actually, I just like the first one.
Though "Rain Song" is actually my favorite Zeppelin song, and yet has no place in Rock Band.
Having not really read the article, just selected quotes, I am more getting the impression that HMX was just like if you guys want to fuck around with the muscle flexing we will go ahead and work with the labels that see value in our product. Give us a holler when you come to your senses.
Didn't several labels try this shit with Apple and itunes a few years back and steve jobs told them to get fucked? Everyone is making money off this shit just shut up and milk it already. Rock Band is already the most expensive game ever and we don't actually have any kind of guarantee that our music will carry over to the next console generation, don't push me. I love the game to death but at certain point you have to be a little pragmatic about it. $4 a song isn't happening in my world.
Agreed. A lot of their best stuff is way too slow. Although it would never happen, I'd love to play White Summer/Black Mountain Side on a guitar game.
Maybe MTV/HMX/whoever should offer to pay a larger up front license fee in exchange for making it recoupable against future sales. Show those fuckers how it's done...
Songs that would kick ass on Rock Band:
Black Dog
Bron-Yr-Aur Stomp
Communication Breakdown
Dancing Days
Gallows Pole
Good Times Bad Times
Heartbreaker
Houses of the Holy
Immigrant Song (have fun, singer!)
In My Time of Dying
Misty Mountain Hop (would be way fun on drums)
Over the Hills and Far Away
Ramble On
Rock and Roll (though I've never cared for it)
The Ocean (more fun on the drums)
Trampled Underfoot
The Song Remains the Same (maybe)
There are a few more that I would want to play, but would probably not be suited for the mainstream group of players of pretend instruments.
Lets hope a compromise can be reached that will allow all of us (the people who all this music was really created for) to enjoy it. Although there were some big names on this supposed no more DLC group, there are still plenty and plenty of awesome songs available.
Also, Led Zeppelin would be great for Rock Band. No one is asking for or expecting a full catalog, but they definitely have some awesome songs that would be great for Rock Band.
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Also, everything of R.E.M.'s prior to the album "Green" is owned by someone else, I believe (I'm pretty sure it's EMI.) It was all done under IRS Records, which EMI bought. I know the re-release of Murmur was done as IRS/UMe being the label, but IRS technically doesn't exist anymore so I think it was more of a fan throwback thing.
Either way - when Warner re-released their entire catalog a couple years back, it started with Green and went up to the present, so MURMUR full album download is still worth hoping for...
Any record label that does anything to slow down or stifle the process of getting stuff released on RB is completely fucking stupid.
Well then.
My day is quite made.
And gosh, there go my hopes of "Kiss from a Rose" in rock band. :P
Also boo to losing The Cure and Muse and Sisters of Mercy and lots of good bands who we already have some songs for (RHCP etc etc)...
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Fuck you, my dreams of Dookie Album DLC are gone.
From what I remember, the tune itself is public domain but the lyrics are not.
Also, even if a song is public domain, you can copyright your arrangement of it.
Well, Porcupine Tree could technically still be in RB. Albums previous In Absentia are owned by Kscope/Snapper, so those are definitely possible. While probably not being totally ideal to Rock Band while compared to post IA stuff, the pre stuff has some pretty damned rocking tunes.
And then considering Wilson's a big stickler with his music I'm pretty sure he probably has rights to do whatever the fuck he pleases with his music (he stated in quite a few interviews that there were a bunch of things that needed to happen with any new label he signed with, etc). That and they did release a live album on Snapper a bit ago, which included songs from post IA.
I'll probably never really get my hopes up on getting PT in Rock Band, though. As much as it'd probably be the greatest thing ever and I'd buy it the second it came out, I doubt Wilson would really let it happen. Right now he's pretty far up his own arse (and I say this with as much respect as possible) in the whole music should only be listened to with the absolute complete package that comes with the album.
Who knows, though. Stranger things have happened.
Batman Forever Pack 01
"Kiss From A Rose" by Seal
"Revolution" by R.E.M.
"Smash It Up" by The Offspring
I'd buy it.
EDIT: Just for clarification - this was their policy all along, but they just had extended it to any return at all after the overwhelming RMA demand from Rock Band 1.
Also, its not uncommon to come across cheap plastic guitars nowadays. You should keep your eyes open for any good deals and skip the hassle of doing your own repairs.
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All instances have shown me that Warner Music is a fucking stupid company. I did a microeconomics project on the music recording industry last semester. One thing I mentioned in it was how one of Warner's brilliant ideas to increase revenue was going to be to establish a changing price-point that essentially increases and decreases with a song's popularity. That's a fantastic way to compete with iTunes...
They and other labels are too busy trying to pin their misfortune on music piracy to realize that legal digital music sales are increasing at a huge rate, and instead of coming up with good ideas to increase revenues, they do things that end up stifling sales, such as charging more for licensing to video games and pissing off companies that license their music enough to make them boycott.
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If we want Rock Band to remain fun and affordable, it better be WMG.
Anyway, there's no bands on that label that I would really miss.
It also stings to have even the distantly remote possibility of LZ off the table for the time being. I would feel the same if Pink Floyd's label were banned. Regardless of how unlikely we are to get anything from them, I just like the fact that it's possible.
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And I want a lot more fucking Muse, so this sucks.
If they released a cover version of Smash It Up before the original, I'd fly out to Boston and start a fucking riot right in front of their goddamned offices...