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However last week, Mark Ordesky called Ken and told him that New Line would no longer be requiring our services on the Hobbit and the LOTR 'prequel'. This was a courtesy call to let us know that the studio was now actively looking to hire another filmmaker for both projects.
Also it seems that they plan on making ...
a second "LOTR prequel", covering the events leading up to those depicted in LOTR.
... Silmarillion? Doubt it.
As it was rumored that they will split The Hobbit into two movies this could lead to another trilogy without any involvement of Jackson and probably also without Weta who have created the physical effects for the previous movies.
I seriously doubt that these new movies will tie in neatly with the previous ones or have the same feel to them.
This all reeks suckage.
[spoiler:317779769f]Uwe Boll's : The Hobbit![/spoiler:317779769f]
AthenorBattle Hardened OptimistThe Skies of HiigaraRegistered Userregular
edited November 2006
From what I gathered a few days ago (off TORN), New Line wants to make two movies: The Hobbit, as we know it, and then a "bridge" movie that fills in the decades between The Hobbit and LOTR.
Now, personally, even in LOTR's appendix there isn't a ton of info on the time between The Hobbit and LOTR, and definitely not enough to make a good movie out of, IMHO. If this latest development is true, then I don't see myself watching them. Not that they won't be good.. It just is never a good sign when a film company tries to sever ties to the director and special effects studio. It implies to me that they don't wish to pay the fair market value for Jackson's talents.
Edit: Reading the letter, it sounds like New Line was in a harsh position. I never, ever knew that the LOTR rights were on a time-limited basis. And while Jackson's merits are 100% spot on about tying the movie to the settlement, it does make sense that New Line is going ahead with a different director.
It's just a shame that such implies New Line might be time rushed to make these two films. =/ I get a really bad vibe about this.
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I can't wait to see what ultimate evil will be faced by Bilbo, Aragorn, Gandalf, Sleepy, Happy, Grumpy and Doc between The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. I also can't wait until, at the end, when their memories are erased and nobody speaks of those events again when Lord of the Rings comes about.
I remember liking New Line Cinema back when they made the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie. I've always kind of liked their logo...
New Line? Why you make me hurt you?
AthenorBattle Hardened OptimistThe Skies of HiigaraRegistered Userregular
edited November 2006
I just want to think what's going through Peter Jackson's head. He's been fighting for his baby for so f'ing long, and to suddenly have this happen to him because they couldn't resolve the lawsuit (although I doubt that's all there is to it)... It's just a bit depressing.
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After reading the spoiler in the OP, I felt my balls drop off and my heart whimper in pain. I'm in the hospital right now and the doctors say that the only thing that can save me is quality celluloid from New Line.
And seriously, practically nothing interesting happened during the beginning of the Third Age. The Fall of Numenor and the end of the Second Age? Now we're getting somewhere.
Lord of the Rings: Return to Middle Earth
Lord of the Rings: Frodo gets hated on by the Hobbits cuz he left them
Lord of the Rings: Everybody gets the hell out of Middle Earth
In the right frame of mind, i bet this/these movies will be HILLARIOUS
Kinda like Terminator 3, Rambo 5(6? i've lost count) and all other really late STEREOTYPED sequels will be. I mean the number of jokes made about Lotr Sequels and ... why can't they just go "this was a huge success, now let's make a movie WITH A SIMULAR CONCEPT", rather than "it was a huge success, now let's make the same movie again". Are producers really stupid? I don't get it...
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Did anything actually happen between The Hobbit and The Fellowship? Besides everyone living in blissful ignorance?
Doesn't the beginning of LOTR (the books, at least) imply that Bilbo was wandering around doing adventurous stuff for at least part of the interim?
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Did anything actually happen between The Hobbit and The Fellowship? Besides everyone living in blissful ignorance?
Doesn't the beginning of LOTR (the books, at least) imply that Bilbo was wandering around doing adventurous stuff for at least part of the interim?
Gollum movie?
Seriously, the only event that comes to mind for me is that Gollum got out of his cave, traveled around for a bit and then got caught by the wood elves. He lived with them for awhile before escaping and then Aragorn and Gandalf tried hunting him down, but he eluded them. That enough for a movie?
Wasn't there a necromancer that ended up being Sauron's power incarnate?
I'm not much of a lore-fiend and I never read the Simarillion so someone can clear up the details.
Did anything actually happen between The Hobbit and The Fellowship? Besides everyone living in blissful ignorance?
Doesn't the beginning of LOTR (the books, at least) imply that Bilbo was wandering around doing adventurous stuff for at least part of the interim?
Not really. He wandered around the Shire a bit, but for the most part he was just stinkin' rich. His old friends would visit him, but as far as I know he never went any further than Bree, if that far.
There were some skirmishes and battles on Gondor, of course, and Sauron was massing some armies, but none of it is particularly fleshed out. I GUESS you could talk about some of Boromir's campaigns and get some background on him and Faramir, if you really wanted to. I don't see it working out well, though, especially now that Peter Jackson isn't involved.
I would be interested to see a new director's take on the material. But... not like this. No Weta? No confirmed McKellan? Not anything remotely like this.
I'm seeing a poster of Bilbo all painted up, face half submerged in water, for Francis Ford Coppala's The Hobbit. And its taking the edge off, but not in a reassuring manner.
I GUESS you could talk about some of Boromir's campaigns and get some background on him and Faramir, if you really wanted to. I don't see it working out well, though, especially now that Peter Jackson isn't involved.
Of course, if he was, he'd probably shit all over Faramir again.
Did anything actually happen between The Hobbit and The Fellowship? Besides everyone living in blissful ignorance?
Doesn't the beginning of LOTR (the books, at least) imply that Bilbo was wandering around doing adventurous stuff for at least part of the interim?
Gollum movie?
Seriously, the only event that comes to mind for me is that Gollum got out of his cave, traveled around for a bit and then got caught by the wood elves. He lived with them for awhile before escaping and then Aragorn and Gandalf tried hunting him down, but he eluded them. That enough for a movie?
Wasn't there a necromancer that ended up being Sauron's power incarnate?
I'm not much of a lore-fiend and I never read the Simarillion so someone can clear up the details.
*shrug* A movie where Gollum is the hero and we'll follow him around in his noble quest for ...err...
OH FORGET IT!
And I kind of doubt Boromir's adventures are good enough to build a decent plot around, all he did was chopchop some Orcs.
The one way I could see this succeeding is if it was a story about unrelated or barely-hinted-at people in Middle Earth during that time period. Something auxillary to the important story, sort of like the relation between a lot of Star Wars fiction and the OT. Stories taking place in Tolkien's universe that had little to do with the War of the Ring. That could be cool.
But they won't do that. And so it will probably fuck canon square in the ass, and such in the process.
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Wasn't there a necromancer that ended up being Sauron's power incarnate?
I'm thinking this is the only way they could make a second prequel to the trilogy.
The Necromancer was Sauron. He was based in the fortress Dol Guldur, which is in southern Mirkwood, where Legolas is from. He directed some invasions, did some other bad stuff, and eventually, Gandalf went off to investigate and discovered that the Necromancer was Sauron. From there, Sauron allowed himself to be driven out of Dol Guldur by the White Council, and made plans to catch everyone off guard by rebuilding Barad-dur and preparing for the war in the trilogy.
If I remember correctly, Gandalf actually leaves Bilbo for a little while during the Hobbit, and why he actually left was to take care of the business in Dol Guldur.
It's the only logical excuse for making a second prequel, but personally, I can't see it working as a movie. It's really nothing more than a footnote in the grand scheme of things and it would probably end up being really dull unless they played it up and turned it into some big epic event. Plus, it would really diminish the tension in Fellowship of the Ring if we already knew Sauron was out and about, causing trouble.
The one way I could see this succeeding is if it was a story about unrelated or barely-hinted-at people in Middle Earth during that time period. Something auxillary to the important story, sort of like the relation between a lot of Star Wars fiction and the OT. Stories taking place in Tolkien's universe that had little to do with the War of the Ring. That could be cool.
But they won't do that. And so it will probably fuck canon square in the ass, and such in the process.
I did not suggest Gollum as a hero anymore than he was a hero in LOTR. Misled, schizophrenic rogue? Yes. Wouldn't you like to see the conflict between Smeagol and Gollum as he escapes the elves and rangers while trying to find his beloved ring? His take on the whole world of Middle-Earth would be unique and warped from the fellowship's view.
He can still do good, but perhaps not intentionally. He's violently anti-social and paranoid, plus if they get the actor from the trilogy I'd be willing to watch him escape capture for 2 hours.
Of course this means EA will make a stealth game where you play as a gray frog-man but that's just par for the course.
Wasn't there a necromancer that ended up being Sauron's power incarnate?
I'm thinking this is the only way they could make a second prequel to the trilogy.
The Necromancer was Sauron. He was based in the fortress Dol Guldur, which is in southern Mirkwood, where Legolas is from. He directed some invasions, did some other bad stuff, and eventually, Gandalf went off to investigate and discovered that the Necromancer was Sauron. From there, Sauron allowed himself to be driven out of Dol Guldur by the White Council, and made plans to catch everyone off guard by rebuilding Barad-dur and preparing for the war in the trilogy.
If I remember correctly, Gandalf actually leaves Bilbo for a little while during the Hobbit, and why he actually left was to take care of the business in Dol Guldur.
It's the only logical excuse for making a second prequel, but personally, I can't see it working as a movie. It's really nothing more than a footnote in the grand scheme of things and it would probably end up being really dull unless they played it up and turned it into some big epic event. Plus, it would really diminish the tension in Fellowship of the Ring if we already knew Sauron was out and about, causing trouble.
Heh, forgot about that stuff.
There's what, 50-60 years between the Hobbit and LOTR right? Depending on when they do it that could write out Boromir and Faramir, and most any other human characters besides Aragorn.
While there might be enough material to fill 2 hours (Aragorn doing stuff, Gollum, Sauron, small battles here and there) the problem is that it's all pretty much unconnected, and it'd be really hard to tie into a single story.
Note: Bilbo was 50 when he started his journey and it took almost exactly 1 year if memory serves me. He is 111 at the beginning of LOTR and Frodo is in his 20s or something. When Frodo finally sets out he is 50 himself (unlike the movie where it comes off as like a week after the party).
So effectively it's about 90 years between the beginning of Bilbo's journey and the beginning of Frodo's. Am I accurate here? At any case, there's a LONG time between these events.
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Now, personally, even in LOTR's appendix there isn't a ton of info on the time between The Hobbit and LOTR, and definitely not enough to make a good movie out of, IMHO. If this latest development is true, then I don't see myself watching them. Not that they won't be good.. It just is never a good sign when a film company tries to sever ties to the director and special effects studio. It implies to me that they don't wish to pay the fair market value for Jackson's talents.
Edit: Reading the letter, it sounds like New Line was in a harsh position. I never, ever knew that the LOTR rights were on a time-limited basis. And while Jackson's merits are 100% spot on about tying the movie to the settlement, it does make sense that New Line is going ahead with a different director.
It's just a shame that such implies New Line might be time rushed to make these two films. =/ I get a really bad vibe about this.
This reeks of suckage.
Do you think they will even get Ian McKellen as Gandalf without Jackson directing?
edit : ... or Andy Serkis ... argh. This is getting worse and worse the longer I think about it.
Oh shit!
I seriously hope so
I can't wait to see what ultimate evil will be faced by Bilbo, Aragorn, Gandalf, Sleepy, Happy, Grumpy and Doc between The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. I also can't wait until, at the end, when their memories are erased and nobody speaks of those events again when Lord of the Rings comes about.
Assholes.
New Line? Why you make me hurt you?
Not all vampires suck blood.
Not all of them die for love.
Basically, I'm fucked.
And seriously, practically nothing interesting happened during the beginning of the Third Age. The Fall of Numenor and the end of the Second Age? Now we're getting somewhere.
Lord of the Rings: Return to Middle Earth
Lord of the Rings: Frodo gets hated on by the Hobbits cuz he left them
Lord of the Rings: Everybody gets the hell out of Middle Earth
FUCK-fuckity-FUCK-fuck-fuck
that spoiler had better be a joke or I'm goin' for three big nails an' some lumber
It will be revealed that a ring bearers power stands in relation to his/her midiclorian level.
The link is broken though, is there a working one?
Kinda like Terminator 3, Rambo 5(6? i've lost count) and all other really late STEREOTYPED sequels will be. I mean the number of jokes made about Lotr Sequels and ... why can't they just go "this was a huge success, now let's make a movie WITH A SIMULAR CONCEPT", rather than "it was a huge success, now let's make the same movie again". Are producers really stupid? I don't get it...
- "Proving once again the deadliest animal of all ... is the Zoo Keeper" - Philip J Fry
Doesn't the beginning of LOTR (the books, at least) imply that Bilbo was wandering around doing adventurous stuff for at least part of the interim?
I think it was saying that he did some wondering around, but never got the chance to do any interesting adventures since the group with the dwarves.
LOTR: How Bilbo Got His Grove Back
Gollum movie?
Seriously, the only event that comes to mind for me is that Gollum got out of his cave, traveled around for a bit and then got caught by the wood elves. He lived with them for awhile before escaping and then Aragorn and Gandalf tried hunting him down, but he eluded them. That enough for a movie?
Wasn't there a necromancer that ended up being Sauron's power incarnate?
I'm not much of a lore-fiend and I never read the Simarillion so someone can clear up the details.
There were some skirmishes and battles on Gondor, of course, and Sauron was massing some armies, but none of it is particularly fleshed out. I GUESS you could talk about some of Boromir's campaigns and get some background on him and Faramir, if you really wanted to. I don't see it working out well, though, especially now that Peter Jackson isn't involved.
I'm seeing a poster of Bilbo all painted up, face half submerged in water, for Francis Ford Coppala's The Hobbit. And its taking the edge off, but not in a reassuring manner.
OH FORGET IT!
And I kind of doubt Boromir's adventures are good enough to build a decent plot around, all he did was chopchop some Orcs.
But they won't do that. And so it will probably fuck canon square in the ass, and such in the process.
I'm thinking this is the only way they could make a second prequel to the trilogy.
The Necromancer was Sauron. He was based in the fortress Dol Guldur, which is in southern Mirkwood, where Legolas is from. He directed some invasions, did some other bad stuff, and eventually, Gandalf went off to investigate and discovered that the Necromancer was Sauron. From there, Sauron allowed himself to be driven out of Dol Guldur by the White Council, and made plans to catch everyone off guard by rebuilding Barad-dur and preparing for the war in the trilogy.
If I remember correctly, Gandalf actually leaves Bilbo for a little while during the Hobbit, and why he actually left was to take care of the business in Dol Guldur.
It's the only logical excuse for making a second prequel, but personally, I can't see it working as a movie. It's really nothing more than a footnote in the grand scheme of things and it would probably end up being really dull unless they played it up and turned it into some big epic event. Plus, it would really diminish the tension in Fellowship of the Ring if we already knew Sauron was out and about, causing trouble.
Elephant love?
He can still do good, but perhaps not intentionally. He's violently anti-social and paranoid, plus if they get the actor from the trilogy I'd be willing to watch him escape capture for 2 hours.
Of course this means EA will make a stealth game where you play as a gray frog-man but that's just par for the course.
Heh, forgot about that stuff.
There's what, 50-60 years between the Hobbit and LOTR right? Depending on when they do it that could write out Boromir and Faramir, and most any other human characters besides Aragorn.
While there might be enough material to fill 2 hours (Aragorn doing stuff, Gollum, Sauron, small battles here and there) the problem is that it's all pretty much unconnected, and it'd be really hard to tie into a single story.
So effectively it's about 90 years between the beginning of Bilbo's journey and the beginning of Frodo's. Am I accurate here? At any case, there's a LONG time between these events.