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Usually if they don't have a paper app, then you apply online and then go bug them in the store. Sometimes they don't even look at them if you don't go talk to them.
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They do work. I've been hired both through web based applications and through solicitation after posting my resume online.
For the follow up call it depends on what kind of company/job you've applied to. For something like retail, generally you'd ask to speak to the manager. For something like a corporate job, you'd probably ask to speak the human resources department.
As for what to say, "Hello, I'm <insert name>, I applied for <position> and wanted to see if you've had a chance to review my resume." Or whatever, just let them know you're interested and try to setup an interview.
Calling never hurts, but I know at my job it makes no difference. You call in, I answer, I'm supposed to take your name and number, hand it to a manager, and I'm fairly certain he throws it away
I got both of my current jobs through electronic means. I've also been offered an interview on the spot once when I walked in to a place to ask about my application. So, following up definitely does something.
Electronic forms suggest that the company has a vast amount of applications to sift through. However, this often goes with having a vast amount of jobs to offer (at least when the economy is good).
Since your application is sure to go through an automatic filter, make sure you have the proper buzzwords. Automatic filters cannot pick up on nice-sounding waffle like "Dedicated self-starter", so make a special resume with things like "Proficient in C, C++, C#, and Objective C" or whatever is appropriate to your profession.
The software that reads your submission rates your resume based on the number of hits your resume has with the words it has been told to look for. The more matches, the higher you go. From what I've read, most companies find what they need in the top twenty.
Other things such as being in the military also raises your ranking.
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Aye, some companies seem (at least on the surface) to ONLY accept online applications. For instance, Liberty Mutual seems to have this policy. They don't even provide you a way to call them or an address with which you can meet and hand in your app directly (as far as I can tell). Which is both lame and convenient, in a way.
I always call in as a follow up. Even so, every time I'm told to apply online it just feels like a waste of my time. It's funny because I've gotten a job before from filing online... but it still feels that way. If I'm not handing the application to someone who matters with a handshake, I feel like I'm wasting my time. It sucks.
I used to work in recruitment. Have you ever seen a pile of resume's? Especially these days, you can get hundreds of applications for a single job.
So to answer your question:
Its because it's easier for the people doing the recruiting and they can potentially 'store' your CV for reference later.
If you're complaining because it feels like nothing happens when you apply - then you may be right. The flipside is that it becomes VERY easy for anyone to apply when you make it easy like this. So, you need to do something to set yourself apart.
I've just relocated countries and the job market s slow at the moment. So, my first rule is that I NEVER apply without making a call first (where possible). I had to get creative with this in finding the number - quite often I knew the general agency responsible, so I'd call reception (from their listing) and ask to speak to the person covering job ref: whatever. Ask a silly question like "where exactly is the position based?" Whatever - make it intelligent. You'll always be asked to send your CV through, but at least now you can get access to their direct email and say something like "as per our discussion" or "as requested, please find attached, my current resume".
This will at least make you stand out - especially if you're qualified and strike up a rapport with the recruiter.
Lately I've noticed a few job postings that specifically stated "no calls" along with the online app. I suppose it's for companies that can't/don't want to deal with a bunch of potential hirees calling, but it kinda bugs me. I even ended up calling one of them (mostly because I forgot it said no call), and he basically hung up on me.
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Even at job fairs they ask you to submit on-line. Sure they take your resume, maybe you'll get a mass e-mail follow up, but you still gotta do it.
Yeah, at some job fairs these days I wonder if the HR people are even that, and not just some low level employee being made to go to those events and just given a set of words to say to applicants.
One thing you can do is make sure you use a PDF instead of a word document when applying online where applicable. Sometimes you have it all nice in a word format, then it gets all screwed up when you apply.
Yeah, the applications where you have to paste your resume into a little box are the absolute worst - it completely screwed up your resume's formatting. I second the idea of converting your resume to a pdf, it makes it easier for everyone involved.
Some companies do not want you to call them after submitting an e-app., by the way, but as a general rule I would call back. Just make sure you read everything they have on their website.
If you are like me a shy person, do not worry if you hate calling companies to follow up applications. At least half of them really hate being called by jobseekers. Unfortunately, the other half really like being called by jobseekers. It's hard to know which companies are which without inside knowledge. So do what you are most comfortable with.
If they specifically ask for no calls, definitely do not call. It's rude.
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On the other hand, there is a lot to be said for walking up to a person, handing them your application, and smiling at them and shaking their hand.
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The main thing to remember, is to treat it like a paper application.
Give them a follow-up call a week later.
What is the aim of the follow-up call? Who am I aiming to speak to when I call? What should I be saying?
I don't mean to thread hijack or anything...
For the follow up call it depends on what kind of company/job you've applied to. For something like retail, generally you'd ask to speak to the manager. For something like a corporate job, you'd probably ask to speak the human resources department.
As for what to say, "Hello, I'm <insert name>, I applied for <position> and wanted to see if you've had a chance to review my resume." Or whatever, just let them know you're interested and try to setup an interview.
Calling, for the most part, gives you a leg up on those who don't call.
It shows initiative, which employers like.
They are especially popular with large companies that get a lot of speculative applications.
Been here about five years.
Of course, I did write a proper cover letter and sent it to my former boss. I suspect that's why I got noticed and hired.
Since your application is sure to go through an automatic filter, make sure you have the proper buzzwords. Automatic filters cannot pick up on nice-sounding waffle like "Dedicated self-starter", so make a special resume with things like "Proficient in C, C++, C#, and Objective C" or whatever is appropriate to your profession.
Other things such as being in the military also raises your ranking.
So to answer your question:
Its because it's easier for the people doing the recruiting and they can potentially 'store' your CV for reference later.
If you're complaining because it feels like nothing happens when you apply - then you may be right. The flipside is that it becomes VERY easy for anyone to apply when you make it easy like this. So, you need to do something to set yourself apart.
I've just relocated countries and the job market s slow at the moment. So, my first rule is that I NEVER apply without making a call first (where possible). I had to get creative with this in finding the number - quite often I knew the general agency responsible, so I'd call reception (from their listing) and ask to speak to the person covering job ref: whatever. Ask a silly question like "where exactly is the position based?" Whatever - make it intelligent. You'll always be asked to send your CV through, but at least now you can get access to their direct email and say something like "as per our discussion" or "as requested, please find attached, my current resume".
This will at least make you stand out - especially if you're qualified and strike up a rapport with the recruiter.
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Yeah, at some job fairs these days I wonder if the HR people are even that, and not just some low level employee being made to go to those events and just given a set of words to say to applicants.
One thing you can do is make sure you use a PDF instead of a word document when applying online where applicable. Sometimes you have it all nice in a word format, then it gets all screwed up when you apply.
I hate those.
If they specifically ask for no calls, definitely do not call. It's rude.