So, should I start playing this game again? It was awesome when there were people to play it, but I didn't have too many buddies in early T3/late T2 in the mouths. Any suggestions?
So, should I start playing this game again? It was awesome when there were people to play it, but I didn't have too many buddies in early T3/late T2 in the mouths. Any suggestions?
You should definitely come back because 1.1 rules and 1.2 is really days away and you should move your characters to the Iron Rock server because the WAR here just rules and we have nearly daily Altdorf sieges.
You should also use my trial code so I can get some rewards for it.
I've been playing for a few days as a Witchhunter on the trial servers. Not sure what to think of the game so far. It seems to have a lot in common with WoW, and combat is somewhat confusing at least for me. It's kind of fun, I'm just not sure what I should be doing. I'm also not sure if I want to upgrade from the trial to a full account.
pvp (or rvr as it's called in game) in warhammer is in my opinion very different from WoW
the classes are more balanced (not saying they're perfectly balanced, but all the classes are actually pretty viable in rvr) for starters
but there are a number of other important differences that make rvr in warhammer fun and interesting compared to wow
one of the most important differences is that you earn xp from rvr, so no more twinks
I'm getting the feeling Sundays aren't good for people.
my guild had about 25-30 people on earlier tonight
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Hai guys I'm a retard.
I'm sorry to matatat and white_knite, both of whom I messed up the email send. I couldn't tell because I didn't get the list that tells me who I actually sent it to and what I wrote as the email address until I resubbed just now.
So um, yeah I have lots of trials if anyone wants to pm me. Problems should hopefully be sorted out as now I can double check just to see if I'm being retarded again.
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Seems like it has gotten to the point where people are done begging for trials as there is now a huge fucking surplus going... >_>;
Instead we've got people with trials to give out, begging for people to try(and hopefully buy) the game to get the nifty rewards they are giving out for it. Though that 4-recruit reward to Apprentice someone up to 2 levels below you still annoys me, as such a feature should be in the game by default. However it works, it reminds me of City of Heroes Sidekicking, which the ease of grouping regardless of character level was one of the best damned things in that and something more games need to provide.
Speaking of which, I've still got 6 trials to give out...
Me and a friend have just spent the last +week helping our 3rd party member with con-grey-to-us quests so he'd level into our range without us levelling even further away from him. Boring pain in the ass.
Me and a friend have just spent the last +week helping our 3rd party member with con-grey-to-us quests so he'd level into our range without us levelling even further away from him. Boring pain in the ass.
you could have rolled alts and leveled with him
instead you basically power leveled him so he essentially missed out on part of the game because you seem to see it as a race to 40 instead of actually enjoying the game at all levels
which, hey you can do that if you want
I just don't understand that approach
it turns what's supposed to be a game into a chore
Once you done the level 60 grind 3 times in WoW, its a boring chore no matter what. I actually started a new character a while back, and even though I hadn't done low level content in 2 years, it'd still done it enough that I just couldn't stand it.
He's level 25. We're levels 31 and 32. What exactly would level 1 alts have achieved? Yes, I know it's very easy to play with others regardless of rank if you have someone in every tier, but some people might not.
Once you done the level 60 grind 3 times in WoW, its a boring chore no matter what. I actually started a new character a while back, and even though I hadn't done low level content in 2 years, it'd still done it enough that I just couldn't stand it.
I'm sure its the same in WAR.
I know that I want to skip some tiers on my alts.
but what I'm saying is I disagree with that
I understand the incentive to rush to level cap in WoW
I don't understand the incentive to do so in WAR unless you're stuck on the perspective that you need to continually push toward better gear and higher ranks just for it's own sake
it will come naturally and organically from just playing the game and having fun because you get xp from everything, so if you like rvr more than pve you can level that way
or mix it up and change what you're doing from time to time
but if it's a "grind" to 40 then why play at all?
Once you done the level 60 grind 3 times in WoW, its a boring chore no matter what. I actually started a new character a while back, and even though I hadn't done low level content in 2 years, it'd still done it enough that I just couldn't stand it.
I'm sure its the same in WAR.
I know that I want to skip some tiers on my alts.
but what I'm saying is I disagree with that
I understand the incentive to rush to level cap in WoW
I don't understand the incentive to do so in WAR unless you're stuck on the perspective that you need to continually push toward better gear and higher ranks just for it's own sake
it will come naturally and organically from just playing the game and having fun because you get xp from everything, so if you like rvr more than pve you can level that way
or mix it up and change what you're doing from time to time
but if it's a "grind" to 40 then why play at all?
You talk like 40 and Tier 4 isnt any different from the previous 3 Tiers. But its very different.
At 40 is when every class has all of their abilities, as well as their 4th Tactic slot. Also they Get their 25 Spec points, and an additional spec point for RR40, 50, 60, etc.
That opens up tons of customization for scenarios between survivability, effeciency, output. Which is what makes it more interesting.
Sure, Tier 1 is fun, but every DPS is straight DPS, every tank is tank, etc etc. You miss out on your CC abilities and gear customization.
My Black Orc didnt even get his silence until 40, the Marauder doesnt get Terrible Embrace until 40, Chosen dont get Baneshield until 35 and Palsy until 40, etc etc.
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But the best way to level a lower level friend, is for all 3 of you to head for an area that cons white to the highest level of you, and grind away on those PQs for influence / whatever.
Once you done the level 60 grind 3 times in WoW, its a boring chore no matter what. I actually started a new character a while back, and even though I hadn't done low level content in 2 years, it'd still done it enough that I just couldn't stand it.
I'm sure its the same in WAR.
I know that I want to skip some tiers on my alts.
but what I'm saying is I disagree with that
I understand the incentive to rush to level cap in WoW
I don't understand the incentive to do so in WAR unless you're stuck on the perspective that you need to continually push toward better gear and higher ranks just for it's own sake
it will come naturally and organically from just playing the game and having fun because you get xp from everything, so if you like rvr more than pve you can level that way
or mix it up and change what you're doing from time to time
but if it's a "grind" to 40 then why play at all?
Well, to be honest for me up to the end of T3 is fine as it is. You get to RvR and you get gear/exp/RR as you progress. Perfect. 32 - 39 are still just awful. You get put in scenarios against 40's, who will almost invariably stomp you due to gear/RR/ability descrepencies. You can still ORvR, but even then you will be noticably lacking vis-a-vis all the 40's. And the levels get harder to attain on top of all this. Blech.
What's the average time to level to 40 anyway? Can you even hit the last renown rank yet?
Average level time to 40 seems to be about 7 days /played, or around there depending on grouping ect...
So far I think there's less than a handful of people at rr80. Of those, I know that the very first was around 32 days /played. And that was playing as a non stop grind, riding the RvE train.
Once you done the level 60 grind 3 times in WoW, its a boring chore no matter what. I actually started a new character a while back, and even though I hadn't done low level content in 2 years, it'd still done it enough that I just couldn't stand it.
I'm sure its the same in WAR.
I know that I want to skip some tiers on my alts.
but what I'm saying is I disagree with that
I understand the incentive to rush to level cap in WoW
I don't understand the incentive to do so in WAR unless you're stuck on the perspective that you need to continually push toward better gear and higher ranks just for it's own sake
it will come naturally and organically from just playing the game and having fun because you get xp from everything, so if you like rvr more than pve you can level that way
or mix it up and change what you're doing from time to time
but if it's a "grind" to 40 then why play at all?
Well, to be honest for me up to the end of T3 is fine as it is. You get to RvR and you get gear/exp/RR as you progress. Perfect. 32 - 39 are still just awful. You get put in scenarios against 40's, who will almost invariably stomp you due to gear/RR/ability descrepencies. You can still ORvR, but even then you will be noticably lacking vis-a-vis all the 40's. And the levels get harder to attain on top of all this. Blech.
that's why I'm in no rush to get into T4
I've enjoyed 1-3 plenty, but feeling basically useless in t4 until I hit rank 40 is going to be rough
I hate, hate, hate Tiers 1-3. Even if I'm useless in T4 until 40, at least I feel like I'm actually playing the game that was advertised, instead of an extremely boring PvE grind mixed with somewhat lackluster PvP.
A combination of very few people in lower tiers on my server combined with everyone and their dog actively avoiding any and all defended forts, even if said defense is one or two people. Combine that with rare scenario pops... And yeah. Lower tiers are not friendly unless you're on something like Dark Crag.
And even *then* it still takes forever and a half to level up. This is a bloody PvP game. Why do I have to spend so much time grinding on PvE mobs to make decent headway?
A combination of very few people in lower tiers on my server combined with everyone and their dog actively avoiding any and all defended forts, even if said defense is one or two people. Combine that with rare scenario pops... And yeah. Lower tiers are not friendly unless you're on something like Dark Crag.
And even *then* it still takes forever and a half to level up. This is a bloody PvP game. Why do I have to spend so much time grinding on PvE mobs to make decent headway?
I have the opposite on the server I am on (Phoenix THrone) always tons of action going on in the lower tiers, sure some WBs will avoid heavily defended keeps but overall there is lots of great action.
A combination of very few people in lower tiers on my server combined with everyone and their dog actively avoiding any and all defended forts, even if said defense is one or two people. Combine that with rare scenario pops... And yeah. Lower tiers are not friendly unless you're on something like Dark Crag.
And even *then* it still takes forever and a half to level up. This is a bloody PvP game. Why do I have to spend so much time grinding on PvE mobs to make decent headway?
then what you really mean is that those tiers suck on your server
A combination of very few people in lower tiers on my server combined with everyone and their dog actively avoiding any and all defended forts, even if said defense is one or two people. Combine that with rare scenario pops... And yeah. Lower tiers are not friendly unless you're on something like Dark Crag.
And even *then* it still takes forever and a half to level up. This is a bloody PvP game. Why do I have to spend so much time grinding on PvE mobs to make decent headway?
then what you really mean is that those tiers suck on your server
What's the average time to level to 40 anyway? Can you even hit the last renown rank yet?
Well the uh, the thing is, the game isn't a sprint. You shouldn't just blow through the ranks and not get a taste of each tier's various scenarios and keeps and ORvR and such. There are a number of people who are high renown rank 70s, though and the average time to get to 40 can be about 2 months of casual play if you are new to it. If you have a buddy or are very familiar with how MMOs work, you can obviously move even quicker.
But again, WAR is all about stopping from time to time and smelling the roses and it is not a race nor grind to 40. I don't even know why you are asking about Renown Rank because it is parallel to the normal ranks, except that it just has a different means of getting the points than EXP.
What's the average time to level to 40 anyway? Can you even hit the last renown rank yet?
Well the uh, the thing is, the game isn't a sprint. You shouldn't just blow through the ranks and not get a taste of each tier's various scenarios and keeps and ORvR and such. There are a number of people who are high renown rank 70s, though and the average time to get to 40 can be about 2 months of casual play if you are new to it. If you have a buddy or are very familiar with how MMOs work, you can obviously move even quicker.
But again, WAR is all about stopping from time to time and smelling the roses and it is not a race nor grind to 40. I don't even know why you are asking about Renown Rank because it is parallel to the normal ranks, except that it just has a different means of getting the points than EXP.
As much as that's true, some people just want to get to the "End" where their friends/everyone else is.
Not that I can tell you how long it takes, because my highest Char is only 27.
What's the average time to level to 40 anyway? Can you even hit the last renown rank yet?
Well the uh, the thing is, the game isn't a sprint. You shouldn't just blow through the ranks and not get a taste of each tier's various scenarios and keeps and ORvR and such. There are a number of people who are high renown rank 70s, though and the average time to get to 40 can be about 2 months of casual play if you are new to it. If you have a buddy or are very familiar with how MMOs work, you can obviously move even quicker.
But again, WAR is all about stopping from time to time and smelling the roses and it is not a race nor grind to 40. I don't even know why you are asking about Renown Rank because it is parallel to the normal ranks, except that it just has a different means of getting the points than EXP.
There are at least an additional 40 renown ranks to earn after RR40, that's why I asked.
What's the average time to level to 40 anyway? Can you even hit the last renown rank yet?
Well the uh, the thing is, the game isn't a sprint. You shouldn't just blow through the ranks and not get a taste of each tier's various scenarios and keeps and ORvR and such. There are a number of people who are high renown rank 70s, though and the average time to get to 40 can be about 2 months of casual play if you are new to it. If you have a buddy or are very familiar with how MMOs work, you can obviously move even quicker.
But again, WAR is all about stopping from time to time and smelling the roses and it is not a race nor grind to 40. I don't even know why you are asking about Renown Rank because it is parallel to the normal ranks, except that it just has a different means of getting the points than EXP.
There are at least an additional 40 renown ranks to earn after RR40, that's why I asked.
L40 can be gotten in 7 days /played
RR40 takes about another 7 days /played depending on how much you let your RR lag behind while leveling
Anything beyond that, really depends on if you ride a constant RvE train, or do alot of Premades, or if you try to PUG it up between the occassional BFO/Keep seige.
I really want to hear something from Mythic regarding the other 4 racial cities, they are finally close to releasing all of the classes, and I really want to check out the Greenskin racial city, and the Dark Elf Black Arc / racial city.
Patch 1.8: some classes' trophies might now work, maybe. Don't worry, it's not like they're an integral part of making you not look exactly like every other elf with 80% non-dyable white cloth or anything
A combination of very few people in lower tiers on my server combined with everyone and their dog actively avoiding any and all defended forts, even if said defense is one or two people. Combine that with rare scenario pops... And yeah. Lower tiers are not friendly unless you're on something like Dark Crag.
And even *then* it still takes forever and a half to level up. This is a bloody PvP game. Why do I have to spend so much time grinding on PvE mobs to make decent headway?
then what you really mean is that those tiers suck on your server
But then it's still worthy to point out how much a game could be negatively influenced by the playerbase. Shocking, to be sure, to see that on a pvp game, but seeing the specific examples is still disheartening.
I have to agree on the leveling at through PvE. At no point should I have have to hop into one of the other pairings. Not once. Ever. If you're going to tell a story through all these quests and PQ's, don't make me hit the pause button and pick it up days later becasue you still ahven't got the scaling of the XP right. I'm on my 4th guy now and I am sick to death of having to hop back and forth over and over.
From the first moment to the last quest in Ch 22, I should have gained somewhere between 35-38 levels in that single pairing, leaving the rest to RvR. Now I only say this since puggers are usually terribad and at least right now we have no TSM guilds running on either server, otherwise we can add in more XP from RvR.
(Plus there's the fact that elfland by and large sucks for quest placement, and because it's elfland. So that means 2 pairings back and forth over and over)
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You should definitely come back because 1.1 rules and 1.2 is really days away and you should move your characters to the Iron Rock server because the WAR here just rules and we have nearly daily Altdorf sieges.
You should also use my trial code so I can get some rewards for it.
Send me PM with your email, doggie.
the classes are more balanced (not saying they're perfectly balanced, but all the classes are actually pretty viable in rvr) for starters
but there are a number of other important differences that make rvr in warhammer fun and interesting compared to wow
one of the most important differences is that you earn xp from rvr, so no more twinks
I'm sorry to matatat and white_knite, both of whom I messed up the email send. I couldn't tell because I didn't get the list that tells me who I actually sent it to and what I wrote as the email address until I resubbed just now.
So um, yeah I have lots of trials if anyone wants to pm me. Problems should hopefully be sorted out as now I can double check just to see if I'm being retarded again.
Instead we've got people with trials to give out, begging for people to try(and hopefully buy) the game to get the nifty rewards they are giving out for it. Though that 4-recruit reward to Apprentice someone up to 2 levels below you still annoys me, as such a feature should be in the game by default. However it works, it reminds me of City of Heroes Sidekicking, which the ease of grouping regardless of character level was one of the best damned things in that and something more games need to provide.
Speaking of which, I've still got 6 trials to give out...
found a neat pic
Check out that lion's beard. Who the hell got close enough to braid it?
instead you basically power leveled him so he essentially missed out on part of the game because you seem to see it as a race to 40 instead of actually enjoying the game at all levels
which, hey you can do that if you want
I just don't understand that approach
it turns what's supposed to be a game into a chore
I'm sure its the same in WAR.
I know that I want to skip some tiers on my alts.
I really hope they make the WL resemble that at some point
I understand the incentive to rush to level cap in WoW
I don't understand the incentive to do so in WAR unless you're stuck on the perspective that you need to continually push toward better gear and higher ranks just for it's own sake
it will come naturally and organically from just playing the game and having fun because you get xp from everything, so if you like rvr more than pve you can level that way
or mix it up and change what you're doing from time to time
but if it's a "grind" to 40 then why play at all?
You talk like 40 and Tier 4 isnt any different from the previous 3 Tiers. But its very different.
At 40 is when every class has all of their abilities, as well as their 4th Tactic slot. Also they Get their 25 Spec points, and an additional spec point for RR40, 50, 60, etc.
That opens up tons of customization for scenarios between survivability, effeciency, output. Which is what makes it more interesting.
Sure, Tier 1 is fun, but every DPS is straight DPS, every tank is tank, etc etc. You miss out on your CC abilities and gear customization.
My Black Orc didnt even get his silence until 40, the Marauder doesnt get Terrible Embrace until 40, Chosen dont get Baneshield until 35 and Palsy until 40, etc etc.
__________
But the best way to level a lower level friend, is for all 3 of you to head for an area that cons white to the highest level of you, and grind away on those PQs for influence / whatever.
MWO: Adamski
Well, to be honest for me up to the end of T3 is fine as it is. You get to RvR and you get gear/exp/RR as you progress. Perfect. 32 - 39 are still just awful. You get put in scenarios against 40's, who will almost invariably stomp you due to gear/RR/ability descrepencies. You can still ORvR, but even then you will be noticably lacking vis-a-vis all the 40's. And the levels get harder to attain on top of all this. Blech.
Average level time to 40 seems to be about 7 days /played, or around there depending on grouping ect...
So far I think there's less than a handful of people at rr80. Of those, I know that the very first was around 32 days /played. And that was playing as a non stop grind, riding the RvE train.
I've enjoyed 1-3 plenty, but feeling basically useless in t4 until I hit rank 40 is going to be rough
I hate, hate, hate Tiers 1-3. Even if I'm useless in T4 until 40, at least I feel like I'm actually playing the game that was advertised, instead of an extremely boring PvE grind mixed with somewhat lackluster PvP.
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I don't get how lower tier rvr is lackluster
And even *then* it still takes forever and a half to level up. This is a bloody PvP game. Why do I have to spend so much time grinding on PvE mobs to make decent headway?
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I have the opposite on the server I am on (Phoenix THrone) always tons of action going on in the lower tiers, sure some WBs will avoid heavily defended keeps but overall there is lots of great action.
Which is why I said *I* hate Tier 1-3.
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Well the uh, the thing is, the game isn't a sprint. You shouldn't just blow through the ranks and not get a taste of each tier's various scenarios and keeps and ORvR and such. There are a number of people who are high renown rank 70s, though and the average time to get to 40 can be about 2 months of casual play if you are new to it. If you have a buddy or are very familiar with how MMOs work, you can obviously move even quicker.
But again, WAR is all about stopping from time to time and smelling the roses and it is not a race nor grind to 40. I don't even know why you are asking about Renown Rank because it is parallel to the normal ranks, except that it just has a different means of getting the points than EXP.
As much as that's true, some people just want to get to the "End" where their friends/everyone else is.
Not that I can tell you how long it takes, because my highest Char is only 27.
There are at least an additional 40 renown ranks to earn after RR40, that's why I asked.
L40 can be gotten in 7 days /played
RR40 takes about another 7 days /played depending on how much you let your RR lag behind while leveling
Anything beyond that, really depends on if you ride a constant RvE train, or do alot of Premades, or if you try to PUG it up between the occassional BFO/Keep seige.
MWO: Adamski
Hmm.. I can't imagine what that could be.
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I'm now imagining the WL sitting in front of the lion cooing to it gently while gaily braiding its hair.
"Whosapretty lion now? You are! Yes you are!"
*lion yawns*
MWO: Adamski
Also works with the WL in front of a mirror.
But then it's still worthy to point out how much a game could be negatively influenced by the playerbase. Shocking, to be sure, to see that on a pvp game, but seeing the specific examples is still disheartening.
From the first moment to the last quest in Ch 22, I should have gained somewhere between 35-38 levels in that single pairing, leaving the rest to RvR. Now I only say this since puggers are usually terribad and at least right now we have no TSM guilds running on either server, otherwise we can add in more XP from RvR.
(Plus there's the fact that elfland by and large sucks for quest placement, and because it's elfland. So that means 2 pairings back and forth over and over)