Is Persona 1 anything like P3/4? I can't help but get the feeling there's likely more combat and a lot less awesome story/character and non-combat stuff (which is the part of 3/4 that I loved)
Is Persona 1 anything like P3/4? I can't help but get the feeling there's likely more combat and a lot less awesome story/character and non-combat stuff (which is the part of 3/4 that I loved)
Not really at all. It's a first person dungeon crawler, and combat relies on positioning your party in a very specific way.
Mary's a long range character for example(bows and pistol), so she goes in the back row. Mark uses a battle axe and a shotgun, so you'd put him in the front.
As for the story, it's presented pretty much just like P2's. I liked it, and that was even with the terrible translation.
So did anyone, upon listening to the soundtrack, realize that they spend the entire playthrough of Persona 4 (or another SMT game) getting the lyrics wrong? After spoiling the final boss musics in 3 for me, I waited until I beat Persona 4 to listen to its soundtrack. And it was there that I realized that they weren't singing about a "young nation" every sunny day.
Ha ha, I was just going to post that there's part of one song in P4 to which I always sing, "most sensation, celebration, inspiration, Muppetation..."
I can be relatively sure those aren't the actual lyrics. Relatively.
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I just listened to the Retronauts on Persona and now I want to play some SMT games. I've already got Nocturne, but failed very early on in my attempt to play it. Should I start again with that, or do you guys recommend jumping in with Persona 3 or Persona 4?
Nocturne is the best of the series, but its minimalist style and heavy grind take getting used to.
If you really have a problem, do indeed try a Persona first.
I actually liked the DDS games better. I thought the bosses overall were more fun, level design was less frustrating, and maybe it's not has hardcorez!11 but I preferred not having to give up skills entirely. It felt more customizable. Plus the story/characters were actually... existent.
I just listened to the Retronauts on Persona and now I want to play some SMT games. I've already got Nocturne, but failed very early on in my attempt to play it. Should I start again with that, or do you guys recommend jumping in with Persona 3 or Persona 4?
Nocturne is the best of the series, but its minimalist style and heavy grind take getting used to.
If you really have a problem, do indeed try a Persona first.
I actually liked the DDS games better. I thought the bosses overall were more fun, level design was less frustrating, and maybe it's not has hardcorez!11 but I preferred not having to give up skills entirely. It felt more customizable. Plus the story/characters were actually... existent.
I prefer Nocturne's minimalist style of storytelling, and the actual choice involved in the ending, and the amazing atmosphere.
It's nothing to do with the gameplay.
I just listened to the Retronauts on Persona and now I want to play some SMT games. I've already got Nocturne, but failed very early on in my attempt to play it. Should I start again with that, or do you guys recommend jumping in with Persona 3 or Persona 4?
Nocturne is the best of the series, but its minimalist style and heavy grind take getting used to.
If you really have a problem, do indeed try a Persona first.
I actually liked the DDS games better. I thought the bosses overall were more fun, level design was less frustrating, and maybe it's not has hardcorez!11 but I preferred not having to give up skills entirely. It felt more customizable. Plus the story/characters were actually... existent.
I prefer Nocturne's minimalist style of storytelling, and the actual choice involved in the ending, and the amazing atmosphere.
It's nothing to do with the gameplay.
Fair enough! I liked the atmosphere in the DDS games more. Especially the first one.
How satisfying are Nocturne's non-True Demon endings?
I just listened to the Retronauts on Persona and now I want to play some SMT games. I've already got Nocturne, but failed very early on in my attempt to play it. Should I start again with that, or do you guys recommend jumping in with Persona 3 or Persona 4?
Nocturne is the best of the series, but its minimalist style and heavy grind take getting used to.
If you really have a problem, do indeed try a Persona first.
I actually liked the DDS games better. I thought the bosses overall were more fun, level design was less frustrating, and maybe it's not has hardcorez!11 but I preferred not having to give up skills entirely. It felt more customizable. Plus the story/characters were actually... existent.
I prefer Nocturne's minimalist style of storytelling, and the actual choice involved in the ending, and the amazing atmosphere.
It's nothing to do with the gameplay.
Fair enough! I liked the atmosphere in the DDS games more. Especially the first one.
How satisfying are Nocturne's non-True Demon endings?
I just listened to the Retronauts on Persona and now I want to play some SMT games. I've already got Nocturne, but failed very early on in my attempt to play it. Should I start again with that, or do you guys recommend jumping in with Persona 3 or Persona 4?
Nocturne is the best of the series, but its minimalist style and heavy grind take getting used to.
If you really have a problem, do indeed try a Persona first.
I actually liked the DDS games better. I thought the bosses overall were more fun, level design was less frustrating, and maybe it's not has hardcorez!11 but I preferred not having to give up skills entirely. It felt more customizable. Plus the story/characters were actually... existent.
Nocturne's story and characters are existent... I don't know why people are saying that. It has a much more grandiose and intriguing storyline than either DDS.
"Yes, it's coming. Yes, it's fully remastered. And no, it wasn't leaked first.
In the weeks to come, we'll share more about what's new in this full restoration of the original Revelations: Persona. In the meantime, we can say that that which was not carried over the first time around is restored. The game is fully rebalanced, visually enhanced, and completely relocalized.
Does anything unusual happen in the comic? The bit I read was pretty much identical to the game which was fairly boring since, well, I just beat the game last month.
How is Imagine these days? Have the later chapters been translated yet? Is there end-game at all to it? Is the game still plagued with the stability issues it had in December?
Also, has anyone played the bonus dungeon in Eternal Punishment?
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edited February 2009
Stability is fixed, but there's still a woeful lack of things to do. It was fun until I cleared all the Acts. Now I mostly just drop by here and there to check out some of the nicer locations and maybe help out with a dungeon run or two.
It still does have a nice atmosphere going for it.
Also, at 40 I can use Uriel.
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cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
edited February 2009
I hate the Amala Labyrinth so much.
I cleared it once. That would be enough if I didn't have to go back to fight the Four Horsemen.
Also, Burial Battles. I ran into Cerberus, but I guess there's still no way to see the extra content unless I cleared the Chambers in the prior cycle, right?
I cleared it once. That would be enough if I didn't have to go back to fight the Four Horsemen.
Also, Burial Battles. I ran into Cerberus, but I guess there's still no way to see the extra content unless I cleared the Chambers in the prior cycle, right?
Burial Battles. I ran into Cerberus, but I guess there's still no way to see the extra content unless I cleared the Chambers in the prior cycle, right?
I just listened to the Retronauts on Persona and now I want to play some SMT games. I've already got Nocturne, but failed very early on in my attempt to play it. Should I start again with that, or do you guys recommend jumping in with Persona 3 or Persona 4?
Nocturne is the best of the series, but its minimalist style and heavy grind take getting used to.
If you really have a problem, do indeed try a Persona first.
I actually liked the DDS games better. I thought the bosses overall were more fun, level design was less frustrating, and maybe it's not has hardcorez!11 but I preferred not having to give up skills entirely. It felt more customizable. Plus the story/characters were actually... existent.
Nocturne's story and characters are existent... I don't know why people are saying that. It has a much more grandiose and intriguing storyline than either DDS.
I'm referring to the style of storytelling here. The scale of Nocturne's plot is a lot more epic in scope, but character development is basically non-existent (the only other humans in the game go from normal to batshit crazy with no real progression; you aren't even there to see it happen really), and the narrative is sparse (especially if you ignore the Labyrinth of Amala.)
I'm not saying this is inherently a bad thing at all. I just think the style of storytelling in both games appeal to two distinct camps.
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cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
edited February 2009
Okay, I think I'm finally grasping Nocturne's story now.
(Includes True Demon ending stuff)
So the Gaians and Messians were warring like usual, and Hikawa breaks away from them to recreate the world.
A few things I don't quite get...
Why do the Seraphs eventually side with him? Heretical Gaian or not, he's hardly got a Messian way of thinking.
And should I assume Lucifer allowed it to happen since he gave him a chance to strike at the Great Will?
What does ending the cycle of creation really accomplish? Yes it prevents another apocalypse, but nothing will ever be reborn again, either.
Okay, I think I'm finally grasping Nocturne's story now.
(Includes True Demon ending stuff)
So the Gaians and Messians were warring like usual, and Hikawa breaks away from them to recreate the world.
A few things I don't quite get...
Why do the Seraphs eventually side with him? Heretical Gaian or not, he's hardly got a Messian way of thinking.
And should I assume Lucifer allowed it to happen since he gave him a chance to strike at the Great Will?
What does ending the cycle of creation really accomplish? Yes it prevents another apocalypse, but nothing will ever be reborn again, either.
The Seraphs side with him because the Seraphs are the voice and will of God but because of that they aren't their own person. Therefore they have their purpose and don't stray from its path. Sounds exactly like Hikawa's world right? Metatron is the perfect example of this. Why do you think he has a robot body? He's a tool of God. He spreads the word and nothing else. He's a robot with one function. This is most likely why they sided with him.
Lucifer had no say in what happens to the world. The world we played through is not the first world. It can be any reincarnation. Sure it's possible that we played through the first world but what if it was the 20th world? What if it was the 3,000th? Lucifer simply watches the world go by because being in the Labyrinth, none of that stuff affects him. He's also watching in the hopes of finding new recruits, which is exactly what happened with the main.
Lastly, ending the cycle simply proves a point to God. Lucifer sees it as proof that God is not perfect because if he was then what happened to the world would not have occurred. It would have been reborn. This is also the perfect chance to rally the troops because it shows them that their enemy is not perfect. Victory can be had. Also if you remember the story about Aradia, there are countless worlds out there that the labyrinth is connected to. Think of them as alternate realities or you can have some fun and think of them as other games in the SMT series. Losing one means nothing to God in the grand scheme of things but it means everything to the demons.
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Okay, I think I'm finally grasping Nocturne's story now.
(Includes True Demon ending stuff)
So the Gaians and Messians were warring like usual, and Hikawa breaks away from them to recreate the world.
A few things I don't quite get...
Why do the Seraphs eventually side with him? Heretical Gaian or not, he's hardly got a Messian way of thinking.
And should I assume Lucifer allowed it to happen since he gave him a chance to strike at the Great Will?
What does ending the cycle of creation really accomplish? Yes it prevents another apocalypse, but nothing will ever be reborn again, either.
The Seraphs side with him because the Seraphs are the voice and will of God but because of that they aren't their own person. Therefore they have their purpose and don't stray from its path. Sounds exactly like Hikawa's world right? Metatron is the perfect example of this. Why do you think he has a robot body? He's a tool of God. He spreads the word and nothing else. He's a robot with one function. This is most likely why they sided with him.
Lucifer had no say in what happens to the world. The world we played through is not the first world. It can be any reincarnation. Sure it's possible that we played through the first world but what if it was the 20th world? What if it was the 3,000th? Lucifer simply watches the world go by because being in the Labyrinth, none of that stuff affects him. He's also watching in the hopes of finding new recruits, which is exactly what happened with the main.
Lastly, ending the cycle simply proves a point to God. Lucifer sees it as proof that God is not perfect because if he was then what happened to the world would not have occurred. It would have been reborn. This is also the perfect chance to rally the troops because it shows them that their enemy is not perfect. Victory can be had. Also if you remember the story about Aradia, there are countless worlds out there that the labyrinth is connected to. Think of them as alternate realities or you can have some fun and think of them as other games in the SMT series. Losing one means nothing to God in the grand scheme of things but it means everything to the demons.
Sounds a lot like what Azrael was trying to accomplish in Dogma: unmaking existence to prove God wrong.
I've been making updates here and there. Nocturne could especially use our help.
I just did a brief write-up on Hikawa.
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edited February 2009
So I just dove into the series with Persona 4. I had a friend who loved the other games in the series but I never really had time for JRPGs (I have even less now but oh well)
I'm finding I'm liking the gameplay and story and everything quite a bit. Unfortunately something that is making me somewhat frustrated and not wanting to go back to the game is spending an hour or so wandering through a dungeon, fighting all of the monsters and getting all of the items, only to have to fight the boss without saving and die a horrible death, therefore losing an hour of my time.
I don't think it is even supposed to be a very challenging thing in the game, but man, I don't know if I can keep playing this game if I play for so long before dying, with no chance to save before the boss. I guess that would destroy the challenge and is a big part of the series. But I have been working a lot and don't think I have any time for the game if this is going to happen. Sadface. Maybe I should have played it on easy.
So I just dove into the series with Persona 4. I had a friend who loved the other games in the series but I never really had time for JRPGs (I have even less now but oh well)
I'm finding I'm liking the gameplay and story and everything quite a bit. Unfortunately something that is making me somewhat frustrated and not wanting to go back to the game is spending an hour or so wandering through a dungeon, fighting all of the monsters and getting all of the items, only to have to fight the boss without saving and die a horrible death, therefore losing an hour of my time.
I don't think it is even supposed to be a very challenging thing in the game, but man, I don't know if I can keep playing this game if I play for so long before dying, with no chance to save before the boss. I guess that would destroy the challenge and is a big part of the series. But I have been working a lot and don't think I have any time for the game if this is going to happen. Sadface. Maybe I should have played it on easy.
You know you can leave, save, and come back to the floor you were on right?
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Ditto. Minus the unrelated part.
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How can you tell that sort of thing?
Not really at all. It's a first person dungeon crawler, and combat relies on positioning your party in a very specific way.
Mary's a long range character for example(bows and pistol), so she goes in the back row. Mark uses a battle axe and a shotgun, so you'd put him in the front.
As for the story, it's presented pretty much just like P2's. I liked it, and that was even with the terrible translation.
So...if say, I hated having to fight in P3/P4, I should probably just skip P1 entirely?
Now you see it... Now you don't!
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Ha ha, I was just going to post that there's part of one song in P4 to which I always sing, "most sensation, celebration, inspiration, Muppetation..."
I can be relatively sure those aren't the actual lyrics. Relatively.
FFXIV: Tchel Fay
Nintendo ID: Tortalius
Steam: Tortalius
Stream: twitch.tv/tortalius
Pretty much. There's no social link/life aspect.
I actually liked the DDS games better. I thought the bosses overall were more fun, level design was less frustrating, and maybe it's not has hardcorez!11 but I preferred not having to give up skills entirely. It felt more customizable. Plus the story/characters were actually... existent.
I prefer Nocturne's minimalist style of storytelling, and the actual choice involved in the ending, and the amazing atmosphere.
It's nothing to do with the gameplay.
Fair enough! I liked the atmosphere in the DDS games more. Especially the first one.
How satisfying are Nocturne's non-True Demon endings?
Nocturne's story and characters are existent... I don't know why people are saying that. It has a much more grandiose and intriguing storyline than either DDS.
Yeah, but looking at the song's actual name is cheating.
"Yes, it's coming. Yes, it's fully remastered. And no, it wasn't leaked first.
In the weeks to come, we'll share more about what's new in this full restoration of the original Revelations: Persona. In the meantime, we can say that that which was not carried over the first time around is restored. The game is fully rebalanced, visually enhanced, and completely relocalized.
This Fall, an old chapter begins anew."
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Steam ID : rwb36, Twitter : Werezompire, Facebook : Zeboyd Games
Why no US manga companies are jumping on this, who knows.
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Steam ID : rwb36, Twitter : Werezompire, Facebook : Zeboyd Games
Guess what gear they just added?
They would have to make that AP & lottery driven.
Also, has anyone played the bonus dungeon in Eternal Punishment?
It still does have a nice atmosphere going for it.
Also, at 40 I can use Uriel.
I cleared it once. That would be enough if I didn't have to go back to fight the Four Horsemen.
Also, Burial Battles. I ran into Cerberus, but I guess there's still no way to see the extra content unless I cleared the Chambers in the prior cycle, right?
So much.
Aside from the whole snake-for-a-tail thing.
I'm referring to the style of storytelling here. The scale of Nocturne's plot is a lot more epic in scope, but character development is basically non-existent (the only other humans in the game go from normal to batshit crazy with no real progression; you aren't even there to see it happen really), and the narrative is sparse (especially if you ignore the Labyrinth of Amala.)
I'm not saying this is inherently a bad thing at all. I just think the style of storytelling in both games appeal to two distinct camps.
(Includes True Demon ending stuff)
A few things I don't quite get...
Why do the Seraphs eventually side with him? Heretical Gaian or not, he's hardly got a Messian way of thinking.
And should I assume Lucifer allowed it to happen since he gave him a chance to strike at the Great Will?
What does ending the cycle of creation really accomplish? Yes it prevents another apocalypse, but nothing will ever be reborn again, either.
Lucifer had no say in what happens to the world. The world we played through is not the first world. It can be any reincarnation. Sure it's possible that we played through the first world but what if it was the 20th world? What if it was the 3,000th? Lucifer simply watches the world go by because being in the Labyrinth, none of that stuff affects him. He's also watching in the hopes of finding new recruits, which is exactly what happened with the main.
Lastly, ending the cycle simply proves a point to God. Lucifer sees it as proof that God is not perfect because if he was then what happened to the world would not have occurred. It would have been reborn. This is also the perfect chance to rally the troops because it shows them that their enemy is not perfect. Victory can be had. Also if you remember the story about Aradia, there are countless worlds out there that the labyrinth is connected to. Think of them as alternate realities or you can have some fun and think of them as other games in the SMT series. Losing one means nothing to God in the grand scheme of things but it means everything to the demons.
Also, there's a MegaTen wiki here:
http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/
I've been making updates here and there. Nocturne could especially use our help.
I just did a brief write-up on Hikawa.
I'm finding I'm liking the gameplay and story and everything quite a bit. Unfortunately something that is making me somewhat frustrated and not wanting to go back to the game is spending an hour or so wandering through a dungeon, fighting all of the monsters and getting all of the items, only to have to fight the boss without saving and die a horrible death, therefore losing an hour of my time.
I don't think it is even supposed to be a very challenging thing in the game, but man, I don't know if I can keep playing this game if I play for so long before dying, with no chance to save before the boss. I guess that would destroy the challenge and is a big part of the series. But I have been working a lot and don't think I have any time for the game if this is going to happen. Sadface. Maybe I should have played it on easy.
You know you can leave, save, and come back to the floor you were on right?
FFXIV: Tchel Fay
Nintendo ID: Tortalius
Steam: Tortalius
Stream: twitch.tv/tortalius