I don't know if this has been discussed yet, but how long do you think before we see
Black Lantern Martin Jordan?
or how about
black lantern moira rayner?
How about Black Lantern Katma Tui?
I think it would actually be kinda funny if Kyle just got mobbed by black lanterns of all of his dead girlfriends. Of course, Donna Troy being alive now kinda ruins the effect.
I don't know about that. Kyle hasn't been especially hopeful. He's dealt with a lot of loss throughout his career as GL. I think he'll run into the same problem as Hal when it comes to finding something to hope for.
Why I disagree:
From the Sinestro Corps Parallax One-shot:
then
then
Those are Johns' words. Kyle has already been inhabited by the Parallax and Ion entities. Johns has confirmed that we're going to see the orange entity very soon, and at least one more. If I had to make an off-the-wall guess, it's that Kyle will definitely hook up with the blues, and may be the avatar for the Blue Entity.
I'll also see if I can't dig up some of the more direct references from the end of Kyle's v3 GL run.
On the whole, though, if anyone is a candidate to switch Corps, it's Kyle. Why? Because he is literally the only GL who wasn't specifically chosen to be a GL. He became a GL purely by chance, and though he learned to wear the ring well and become a particularly awesome one, it's pretty easy to make a case that he was never ideally suited for it. Now that we know what the Blue Lanterns stand for, it's pretty clear to me that he's always been a natural Blue.
and i'm still disagreeing that Kyle becomes a Blue Lantern. at least, not permanently.
the huge limitation of the blue ring only being useful when around green rings makes the blue lanterns pretty uninteresting to read about on a long term basis. why would anyone want to handicap kyle like that?
the huge limitation of the blue ring only being useful when around green rings makes the blue lanterns pretty uninteresting to read about on a long term basis. why would anyone want to handicap kyle like that?
I believe Ganthet told Walker that Hal Jordan didn't have to become a Blue Lantern to lead the Blue Lanterns; his willpower could single-handedly power the entire Corp.
Imagine being in a dark room, unable to read your book cuz you can't see. Right now, you've got a guy holding a flashlight above the pages for you, but if he leaves, you're screwed. But if you get someone to wire the indoor lights, you don't need the guy standing over you with a flashlight.
It's a wonky little analogy, but I like to think it works. Until someone who is a high-willpower, high-hope guy comes along (cough Kyle cough), the Blue Lanterns need Green Lanterns around to power their rings.
Crap, I just realized that there's no Green Lanterns on Odym. Larfleeze is going to totally butt-hurt the Blues.
Another mechanics-of-DC question:
Yeah, they are saying BL will significantly change things, but... while I don't think I'd ever play anything in the universe other than Dawn of War, I'm a flavor wonk for Warhammer 40,000 and from what I understand, Games Workship says "THIS! EVENT! WILL! CHANGE! EVERYTHING!" and then turns around and makes sure pretty much everything stays generally the same.
I haven't read DC comics other than GL and GLC, so I guess my question is this: How often do DC Major Event Things That Promise To Change Things actually do?
Yeah, they are saying BL will significantly change things, but... while I don't think I'd ever play anything in the universe other than Dawn of War, I'm a flavor wonk for Warhammer 40,000 and from what I understand, Games Workship says "THIS! EVENT! WILL! CHANGE! EVERYTHING!" and then turns around and makes sure pretty much everything stays generally the same.
I haven't read DC comics other than GL and GLC, so I guess my question is this: How often do DC Major Event Things That Promise To Change Things actually do?
How does it feel to grow up, to realise that the things you care about are tied in unholy matrimony to purely commercial interests?
Oh, it doesn't bug me. I'm not one of those "RAPING MY CHILDHOOD" people. Was just curious.
Oh, and I saw this on TV Tropes, and I need to know which comic this is in:
Kyle Rayner once got hit with a dart from Fatality that made it hard to focus, and thus hard to use his Ring. When she has him on the ropes, on the deck of an aircraft carrier, he manages to start sketching something with his ring. Something with spikes...it's a Lawyer Friendly Cameo of Calvin, who throws a jet fighter at Fatality like a paper airplane.
and i'm still disagreeing that Kyle becomes a Blue Lantern. at least, not permanently.
the huge limitation of the blue ring only being useful when around green rings makes the blue lanterns pretty uninteresting to read about on a long term basis. why would anyone want to handicap kyle like that?
Definitely a point worth considering, and my wanting him to go blue would come with the caveat that he isn't limited to buffing up blue rings. Considering that we just found out that they give the power of premonition in the last issue of GL, though, I think there's still a lot about blue rings that we still don't know. And if Kyle ends up being the host of the blue avatar like he was for Ion and Parallax, all the better. That's basically an open book to allow him powers that would be specifically made to make him interesting as a standalone character.
I don't know about that. Kyle hasn't been especially hopeful. He's dealt with a lot of loss throughout his career as GL. I think he'll run into the same problem as Hal when it comes to finding something to hope for.
Why I disagree:
From the Sinestro Corps Parallax One-shot:
then
then
Those are Johns' words. Kyle has already been inhabited by the Parallax and Ion entities. Johns has confirmed that we're going to see the orange entity very soon, and at least one more. If I had to make an off-the-wall guess, it's that Kyle will definitely hook up with the blues, and may be the avatar for the Blue Entity.
I'll also see if I can't dig up some of the more direct references from the end of Kyle's v3 GL run.
On the whole, though, if anyone is a candidate to switch Corps, it's Kyle. Why? Because he is literally the only GL who wasn't specifically chosen to be a GL. He became a GL purely by chance, and though he learned to wear the ring well and become a particularly awesome one, it's pretty easy to make a case that he was never ideally suited for it. Now that we know what the Blue Lanterns stand for, it's pretty clear to me that he's always been a natural Blue.
I think he should be a Blue Lantern. How many GLs are there right now on earth anyway, 5? What's one for god sake.
Yeah, definitely, it's a little over-saturated for sure. Making Guy and Kyle honor guards on Oa was a good step for sure, but I'd like to see them take it a little farther. As long as he is a self-sufficient hero (aka has some offensive capability) Kyle would be a great BL. And the more I think about it, even if Kyle just got a cool powerset that lacked firepower but gave him funky abilities like premonition, inspiring hope, healing, and gaining strength from the hope of himself and others, that could work really well as a unique power set in a team-up book with Guy.
I am just going to continue to disagree that going blue would be a good change for Kyle, BUT what I find really interesting is that every message board I go to lots of people are discussing this or a similar option for Kyle. There seems to be a real desire from the general fanbase for Kyle to have his own adventures again and be unique in some sort of way and that is something I can appreciate.
Crap, I just realized that there's no Green Lanterns on Odym. Larfleeze is going to totally butt-hurt the Blues.
I think the Agent Orange arc demonstrated that the Orange light doesn't have a lot of power over the blue light either. So if anything the fight on Odym will be sort of awkward and indirect, resulting in a stalemate.
I haven't read DC comics other than GL and GLC, so I guess my question is this: How often do DC Major Event Things That Promise To Change Things actually do?
This sort of depends if the other writers in the DCU "get" the event that just happened.
Off the top of my head:
Crisis on Infinite Earths actually did change everything and many things changed stay changed for a long time. Things like the JSA and JLA inhabiting the same earth and having a shared history is one of those changes that adds to the collective story of the DCU. Of course the "no multiverse" thing was undone in Infinte Crisis.
Zero Hour changed details in certain characters' pasts and established Hal as a badass villain (which ultimately hurt him because no one could think of where to take hiim next). The Legion of Superheroes was also completely reworked and stayed changed for awhile.
Underworld Unleashed killed a bunch of villains, many of which are back now. No real change.
Final Night killed Hal for awhile and depowered Superman for awhile but no real change.
Day of Judgment made Hal the Spectre for awhile, but no real change.
Infinite Crisis killed some heroes, most of which are back now. Brought back the multiverse which hasn't been used in any interesting ways. Changed some details in some characters' pasts. Limited change, although it did mark a tonal shift from Pre-IC to Post-IC. Coming out of OYL the DCU was definitely the DCU that Didio wanted to have, for good or ill depending on your opinion. The tone set by Crisis 20 years earlier was definitely over.
The less said about Identity Crisis the better.
Final Crisis had the potential for a lot of change but no other writers were allowed to play in Morrison's sandbox during the event, so they all did their own stories in their own books and by the time FC ended none of them felt like arbitrarily reflecting FC events in their books. Biggest changes are that Barry is back and Batman is gone, but who cares? Batman will be back in a year and it will be like FC never happened.
So I would say very rarely does DC do real change. Most of the time it is them killing off a character, only to bring him back in an event or two down the road.
Marvel at least tries to have some change by creating huge sweeping tonal shifts in all of their books after each event, giving the Marvel U a very cohesive feel.
On the other hand, the Sinestro Corps War had a huge impact on the GL and GLC books. The entire scope and magnitude of these books is probably forever changed by the events that Johns started in the Sinestro Corps War and is now continuing with Blackest Night.
I don't know if BN will have any long term changes on the entire DCU, but I would bet it will have a lasting impact on GL and GLC.
Even if you don't particularly care for Hal Jordan, there's no denying that Johns and Tomasi work very well together and they are both on the same page for building the Green Lantern Universe. There's an amazing amount of unity between GL and GLC. I think in 20 or 30 years, people are going to look back on these events and think very highly of the positive changes that have come about.
I don't know about that. Kyle hasn't been especially hopeful. He's dealt with a lot of loss throughout his career as GL. I think he'll run into the same problem as Hal when it comes to finding something to hope for.
Why I disagree:
From the Sinestro Corps Parallax One-shot:
then
then
Those are Johns' words. Kyle has already been inhabited by the Parallax and Ion entities. Johns has confirmed that we're going to see the orange entity very soon, and at least one more. If I had to make an off-the-wall guess, it's that Kyle will definitely hook up with the blues, and may be the avatar for the Blue Entity.
I'll also see if I can't dig up some of the more direct references from the end of Kyle's v3 GL run.
On the whole, though, if anyone is a candidate to switch Corps, it's Kyle. Why? Because he is literally the only GL who wasn't specifically chosen to be a GL. He became a GL purely by chance, and though he learned to wear the ring well and become a particularly awesome one, it's pretty easy to make a case that he was never ideally suited for it. Now that we know what the Blue Lanterns stand for, it's pretty clear to me that he's always been a natural Blue.
On a probably-coincidental but somewhat amusingly foreshadowing note: I was re-reading Green Lantern: Rebirth today and came across a scene where Kyle says to Ganthet, "You'd better hope -" (emphasis mine). Ganthet cuts him off with the then-standard line that only willpower will suffice, though.
I think the Agent Orange arc demonstrated that the Orange light doesn't have a lot of power over the blue light either. So if anything the fight on Odym will be sort of awkward and indirect, resulting in a stalemate.
I agree, definitely. Reading Johns' interview with Newsarama, these quotes jumped out:
NRAMA: What the Guardians did in Green Lantern #42 – pitting two factions against each other – surely this will come back to haunt them. Are we going to see their status quo changed in Blackest Night?
GJ: Yes.
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It's hard to define hope, and a lot of people have an entirely different idea of what hope is. Larfleeze thinks hope is thinking, "I hope for this. I hope for that." He thinks the orange light and the blue light are the same thing. He doesn't understand the difference. And what is the difference? He hopes for the blue ring. He hopes he gets it. Isn't that hope? What is "want?" And what is "wishing?" There's a fine line between hope and greed.
Admittedly, I may be reading into the second one, in particular, too much, but I think that the whole plan is going to backfire pretty severely on the Guardians. Johns said very explicitly that we're going to
see the orange avatar very soon
, and in the same interview he also says that there is a fine line between greed and hope. The way Larfleeze was written, I don't think he's a bad guy, really. He just wants people to stay away and leave his stuff to him, and even that's under the constant influence of the orange light of avarice. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the blues manage to talk him down and maybe even forge a tentative alliance with him. I expect Saint Walker and Ganthet will both have words with him, and it'll be interesting to see what comes of that.
Also, on a side note, regarding why Hal couldn't be a blue lantern:
GJ: They're power that he has no ability to control. He's interacted with the red ring and blue ring and encountered the orange power battery, and when you see him with this blue ring, he's not a natural to be a hope lantern. Hal does have hope, but it’s not central to who he is. He's all about willpower and getting the job done. It's all about kind of going by the seat of his pants. And hope's a very different mentality than who Hal is.
That's another quote that seems to indicate Kyle as a blue, to me. Kyle is the only green lantern that wasn't specifically sought out because he has great will, and the Parallax one-shot couldn't have made it clearer that hope is the emotion that drives him, and what enabled him to escape Parallax. I wouldn't be surprised either regarding whether or not it happens, and I agree that it would be a negative if it just became a short-term, poorly executed thing, so I trust Johns and Tomase on this one. Whatever they decide to do, I'll enjoy the ride.
I don't know about that. Kyle hasn't been especially hopeful. He's dealt with a lot of loss throughout his career as GL. I think he'll run into the same problem as Hal when it comes to finding something to hope for.
Why I disagree:
From the Sinestro Corps Parallax One-shot:
then
then
Those are Johns' words. Kyle has already been inhabited by the Parallax and Ion entities. Johns has confirmed that we're going to see the orange entity very soon, and at least one more. If I had to make an off-the-wall guess, it's that Kyle will definitely hook up with the blues, and may be the avatar for the Blue Entity.
I'll also see if I can't dig up some of the more direct references from the end of Kyle's v3 GL run.
On the whole, though, if anyone is a candidate to switch Corps, it's Kyle. Why? Because he is literally the only GL who wasn't specifically chosen to be a GL. He became a GL purely by chance, and though he learned to wear the ring well and become a particularly awesome one, it's pretty easy to make a case that he was never ideally suited for it. Now that we know what the Blue Lanterns stand for, it's pretty clear to me that he's always been a natural Blue.
On a probably-coincidental but somewhat amusingly foreshadowing note: I was re-reading Green Lantern: Rebirth today and came across a scene where Kyle says to Ganthet, "You'd better hope -" (emphasis mine). Ganthet cuts him off with the then-standard line that only willpower will suffice, though.
Ahhh, very cool. Just went back and looked for that, found it on page 9 of issue 3. I can scan it in if you guys want. Nice find.
The way Larfleeze was written, I don't think he's a bad guy, really. He just wants people to stay away and leave his stuff to him, and even that's under the constant influence of the orange light of avarice.
I completely agree. I may have said this before - I don't remember - but Larfleeze has a seperate reason for wanting a Blue Power Ring than the Orange Light Itself does:
Orange Light Itself wants a Blue Ring because it doesn't have one.
Larfleeze wants a Blue Ring because he wants his stomach to stop screaming that he's hungry.
What does the Blue Ring make a mirage of for Larfleeze? Him not being crippingly hungry for once.
I've been reading back through the Sinestro Corps War again, and something caught my attention that I dismissed before. It was Ganthet and Sayd who originally suggested that the book of Oa be rewritten. They were banished from the council before they could give their suggestion as to what should be changed.
Somehow, I think that the laws the remaining Guardians have chosen to alter are not the same as the ones Ganthet and Sayd would have suggested. I'm curious now what they had in mind.
Another thing that slipped my mind is that when they made their announcement, the Guardians said that they would be altering a total of 10 laws. So far we've only seen like 4 or 5 laws changed. It will be interesting to see what else they fuck up in the coming months.
I've been reading back through the Sinestro Corps War again, and something caught my attention that I dismissed before. It was Ganthet and Sayd who originally suggested that the book of Oa be rewritten. They were banished from the council before they could give their suggestion as to what should be changed.
Somehow, I think that the laws the remaining Guardians have chosen to alter are not the same as the ones Ganthet and Sayd would have suggested. I'm curious now what they had in mind.
Another thing that slipped my mind is that when they made their announcement, the Guardians said that they would be altering a total of 10 laws. So far we've only seen like 4 or 5 laws changed. It will be interesting to see what else they fuck up in the coming months.
For the first, I'm willing to bet, given their actions since, that they would have proposed some kind of an alliance of different lights (namely: blue; we'll see when indigo gets revealed, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if a blue/green/indigo alliance was intended).
For the second point, I definitely agree. They've already gone pretty extreme, but by the end I think they'll be commanding lanterns to a) kill innocents who represent unacceptable risks, b) make joining any other lantern corps a capital offense, and c) make abandoning your post a capital offense. If C happens, in particular, I think we'll finally see open rebellion.
Indigo might be better paired with the Sapphires, since Compassion presumably extends to criminals as well as innocents, which wouldn't sit well with the Green Lantern Corps.
I can definitely see how compassion and love fit together, but I also think that compassion and hope are natural fits as well. Both are fundamentally about seeing the best in the world around you.
I think you'll see a pretty flexible system of complements and detriments based on a wheel effect (where a color is augmented by the two that border it, and in conflict with the ones opposite it). Hell, let's try to fill it out, if that's the case.
Green- Willpower
Augments: Blue- Hope, Orange- Avarice (both are also about maintaining the rights and integrity of the individual in spite of what may be happening on the outside)
Opposes: Yellow- Fear, Sapphire- Love (both entail surrendering your sense of self and losing composure, somewhat)
Neutral to: Red-Rage, Indigo-Compassion
Other than blue, I have no idea what else should augment green. I only left with orange because it sorta worked out that way.
Blue- Hope
Augments: Green- Will, Indigo- Compassion (Green is about resolve, Indigo is about seeing the best in what's in front of you. Blue is a combination of that in many ways)
Opposes: Yellow-Fear, Red-Rage (Both are about surrendering to the negative)
Neutral to: Orange-Avarice, Sapphire-Love
Blue/Orange confuses me a bit. I feel like the relationship between hope and avarice could fall in any of the 3 categories. The ring tells Larfleeze that hope is selfless, but Johns said in his last interview that the line between hope and greed can be very fine.
Yellow- Fear
Augments: Red-Rage, Sapphire-Love
Opposes: Green-Will, Blue-Hope
Neutral to: Indigo-Compassion, Orange-Avarice
Do you guys agree with the premise? If so, do you agree with those as the relationships?
It's a good start, but I'd argue that you have to wait until the Indigo Lanterns are formally introduced, and their philosophy is told, before you can make any decisions. As a Magic: The Gathering player for many years, I've learned one thing: when it comes to flavor-based color pies, every color has something in common with the others, even its supposed opposite.
Case in point, I've thought about it a lot (I work in a job in which I have a lot of mental downtime), and it would not surprise me if Blue-As-Hope was a bit of a controversy-avoiding idea. What controversy could it avoid? When, as I see it, DC's Hope Power is actually Faith.
Think about it:
- All the Blue Lanterns have spiritual titles.
- Their motto (for lack of a term) is All Will Be Well; the assumption that, whatever you do, things will turn out fine.
- They are positioned opposite of Fear, which is the assumption that things won't turn out well.
- The "Hope Needs Will" thing makes a bit more sense if you think of Blue as Faith. Imagine a Blue Power Ring asking you not what you hope for, but what inspires you to act.
Hope needs willpower to enact anything meaningful. They've said it before- that's why Walker and Warth were unable to do anything but defend themselves with Hal under the Red Ring's influence.
Without will to support, hope is just a wish, a feeling.
Now, under attack from Greed on their home turf? I'm pretty sure Ganthet and Co. will be able to handle Larfleeze and the Oranges.
Id consider Greed a stronger urge than Hope and Larfleeze has an army compared to the Blue Corps.
Well, there's no reason to think the Blue Corps can't defend themselves just as well. Their weakness is doing anything for anyone else, right?
Moreover, I like the suggestion that Larfleeze isn't that bad a guy; just driven mad by literally millions of years of hunger. Arguably Hope converting him (and thus subverting greed) might be the same sort of coup as the Sapphires subverting and converting Kryb (assuming that doesn't go horribly, horribly awry).
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or how about
How about Black Lantern Katma Tui?
I think it would actually be kinda funny if Kyle just got mobbed by black lanterns of all of his dead girlfriends. Of course, Donna Troy being alive now kinda ruins the effect.
That issue was written by Marz, not Johns
the huge limitation of the blue ring only being useful when around green rings makes the blue lanterns pretty uninteresting to read about on a long term basis. why would anyone want to handicap kyle like that?
I believe Ganthet told Walker that Hal Jordan didn't have to become a Blue Lantern to lead the Blue Lanterns; his willpower could single-handedly power the entire Corp.
Imagine being in a dark room, unable to read your book cuz you can't see. Right now, you've got a guy holding a flashlight above the pages for you, but if he leaves, you're screwed. But if you get someone to wire the indoor lights, you don't need the guy standing over you with a flashlight.
It's a wonky little analogy, but I like to think it works. Until someone who is a high-willpower, high-hope guy comes along (cough Kyle cough), the Blue Lanterns need Green Lanterns around to power their rings.
Crap, I just realized that there's no Green Lanterns on Odym. Larfleeze is going to totally butt-hurt the Blues.
Another mechanics-of-DC question:
Yeah, they are saying BL will significantly change things, but... while I don't think I'd ever play anything in the universe other than Dawn of War, I'm a flavor wonk for Warhammer 40,000 and from what I understand, Games Workship says "THIS! EVENT! WILL! CHANGE! EVERYTHING!" and then turns around and makes sure pretty much everything stays generally the same.
I haven't read DC comics other than GL and GLC, so I guess my question is this: How often do DC Major Event Things That Promise To Change Things actually do?
How does it feel to grow up, to realise that the things you care about are tied in unholy matrimony to purely commercial interests?
What is the sound of a sliver of your soul dying?
Oh, and I saw this on TV Tropes, and I need to know which comic this is in:
Definitely a point worth considering, and my wanting him to go blue would come with the caveat that he isn't limited to buffing up blue rings. Considering that we just found out that they give the power of premonition in the last issue of GL, though, I think there's still a lot about blue rings that we still don't know. And if Kyle ends up being the host of the blue avatar like he was for Ion and Parallax, all the better. That's basically an open book to allow him powers that would be specifically made to make him interesting as a standalone character.
Crap, my bad. Thanks for correcting me.
Yeah, definitely, it's a little over-saturated for sure. Making Guy and Kyle honor guards on Oa was a good step for sure, but I'd like to see them take it a little farther. As long as he is a self-sufficient hero (aka has some offensive capability) Kyle would be a great BL. And the more I think about it, even if Kyle just got a cool powerset that lacked firepower but gave him funky abilities like premonition, inspiring hope, healing, and gaining strength from the hope of himself and others, that could work really well as a unique power set in a team-up book with Guy.
I think the Agent Orange arc demonstrated that the Orange light doesn't have a lot of power over the blue light either. So if anything the fight on Odym will be sort of awkward and indirect, resulting in a stalemate.
This sort of depends if the other writers in the DCU "get" the event that just happened.
Off the top of my head:
Crisis on Infinite Earths actually did change everything and many things changed stay changed for a long time. Things like the JSA and JLA inhabiting the same earth and having a shared history is one of those changes that adds to the collective story of the DCU. Of course the "no multiverse" thing was undone in Infinte Crisis.
Zero Hour changed details in certain characters' pasts and established Hal as a badass villain (which ultimately hurt him because no one could think of where to take hiim next). The Legion of Superheroes was also completely reworked and stayed changed for awhile.
Underworld Unleashed killed a bunch of villains, many of which are back now. No real change.
Final Night killed Hal for awhile and depowered Superman for awhile but no real change.
Day of Judgment made Hal the Spectre for awhile, but no real change.
Infinite Crisis killed some heroes, most of which are back now. Brought back the multiverse which hasn't been used in any interesting ways. Changed some details in some characters' pasts. Limited change, although it did mark a tonal shift from Pre-IC to Post-IC. Coming out of OYL the DCU was definitely the DCU that Didio wanted to have, for good or ill depending on your opinion. The tone set by Crisis 20 years earlier was definitely over.
The less said about Identity Crisis the better.
Final Crisis had the potential for a lot of change but no other writers were allowed to play in Morrison's sandbox during the event, so they all did their own stories in their own books and by the time FC ended none of them felt like arbitrarily reflecting FC events in their books. Biggest changes are that Barry is back and Batman is gone, but who cares? Batman will be back in a year and it will be like FC never happened.
So I would say very rarely does DC do real change. Most of the time it is them killing off a character, only to bring him back in an event or two down the road.
Marvel at least tries to have some change by creating huge sweeping tonal shifts in all of their books after each event, giving the Marvel U a very cohesive feel.
I don't know if BN will have any long term changes on the entire DCU, but I would bet it will have a lasting impact on GL and GLC.
Even if you don't particularly care for Hal Jordan, there's no denying that Johns and Tomasi work very well together and they are both on the same page for building the Green Lantern Universe. There's an amazing amount of unity between GL and GLC. I think in 20 or 30 years, people are going to look back on these events and think very highly of the positive changes that have come about.
I agree, definitely. Reading Johns' interview with Newsarama, these quotes jumped out:
Admittedly, I may be reading into the second one, in particular, too much, but I think that the whole plan is going to backfire pretty severely on the Guardians. Johns said very explicitly that we're going to
Also, on a side note, regarding why Hal couldn't be a blue lantern:
That's another quote that seems to indicate Kyle as a blue, to me. Kyle is the only green lantern that wasn't specifically sought out because he has great will, and the Parallax one-shot couldn't have made it clearer that hope is the emotion that drives him, and what enabled him to escape Parallax. I wouldn't be surprised either regarding whether or not it happens, and I agree that it would be a negative if it just became a short-term, poorly executed thing, so I trust Johns and Tomase on this one. Whatever they decide to do, I'll enjoy the ride.
Ahhh, very cool. Just went back and looked for that, found it on page 9 of issue 3. I can scan it in if you guys want. Nice find.
I completely agree. I may have said this before - I don't remember - but Larfleeze has a seperate reason for wanting a Blue Power Ring than the Orange Light Itself does:
Orange Light Itself wants a Blue Ring because it doesn't have one.
Larfleeze wants a Blue Ring because he wants his stomach to stop screaming that he's hungry.
What does the Blue Ring make a mirage of for Larfleeze? Him not being crippingly hungry for once.
I know you're joking but to me this sounds quite plausible.
Somehow, I think that the laws the remaining Guardians have chosen to alter are not the same as the ones Ganthet and Sayd would have suggested. I'm curious now what they had in mind.
Another thing that slipped my mind is that when they made their announcement, the Guardians said that they would be altering a total of 10 laws. So far we've only seen like 4 or 5 laws changed. It will be interesting to see what else they fuck up in the coming months.
For the first, I'm willing to bet, given their actions since, that they would have proposed some kind of an alliance of different lights (namely: blue; we'll see when indigo gets revealed, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if a blue/green/indigo alliance was intended).
For the second point, I definitely agree. They've already gone pretty extreme, but by the end I think they'll be commanding lanterns to a) kill innocents who represent unacceptable risks, b) make joining any other lantern corps a capital offense, and c) make abandoning your post a capital offense. If C happens, in particular, I think we'll finally see open rebellion.
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"And they will learn, the further away from the center, the more influence the power will have over its bearer."
I think you'll see a pretty flexible system of complements and detriments based on a wheel effect (where a color is augmented by the two that border it, and in conflict with the ones opposite it). Hell, let's try to fill it out, if that's the case.
Green- Willpower
Augments: Blue- Hope, Orange- Avarice (both are also about maintaining the rights and integrity of the individual in spite of what may be happening on the outside)
Opposes: Yellow- Fear, Sapphire- Love (both entail surrendering your sense of self and losing composure, somewhat)
Neutral to: Red-Rage, Indigo-Compassion
Other than blue, I have no idea what else should augment green. I only left with orange because it sorta worked out that way.
Blue- Hope
Augments: Green- Will, Indigo- Compassion (Green is about resolve, Indigo is about seeing the best in what's in front of you. Blue is a combination of that in many ways)
Opposes: Yellow-Fear, Red-Rage (Both are about surrendering to the negative)
Neutral to: Orange-Avarice, Sapphire-Love
Blue/Orange confuses me a bit. I feel like the relationship between hope and avarice could fall in any of the 3 categories. The ring tells Larfleeze that hope is selfless, but Johns said in his last interview that the line between hope and greed can be very fine.
Yellow- Fear
Augments: Red-Rage, Sapphire-Love
Opposes: Green-Will, Blue-Hope
Neutral to: Indigo-Compassion, Orange-Avarice
Red- Rage
Augments: Yellow-Fear, Orange-Avarice
Opposes: Indigo-Compassion, Blue-Hope
Neutral to: Green-Will, Sapphire-Love
Sapphire- Love
Augments: Yellow-Fear, Indigo-Compassion
Opposes: Green-Will, Orange-Avarice
Neutral to: Red-Rage, Blue-Hope
Orange-Avarice
Augments: Red-Rage, Green-Will
Opposes: Indigo-Compassion, Sapphire-Love
Neutral to: Blue-Hope, Yellow-Fear
Indigo-Compassion
Augments: Blue-Hope, Sapphire-Love
Opposes: Red-Rage, Orange-Avarice
Neutral to: Yellow-Fear, Green-Will
Do you guys agree with the premise? If so, do you agree with those as the relationships?
So the Star Sapphires are gonna be a bunch of nymphos?
I don't have a problem with that.
It's a good start, but I'd argue that you have to wait until the Indigo Lanterns are formally introduced, and their philosophy is told, before you can make any decisions. As a Magic: The Gathering player for many years, I've learned one thing: when it comes to flavor-based color pies, every color has something in common with the others, even its supposed opposite.
Case in point, I've thought about it a lot (I work in a job in which I have a lot of mental downtime), and it would not surprise me if Blue-As-Hope was a bit of a controversy-avoiding idea. What controversy could it avoid? When, as I see it, DC's Hope Power is actually Faith.
Think about it:
- All the Blue Lanterns have spiritual titles.
- Their motto (for lack of a term) is All Will Be Well; the assumption that, whatever you do, things will turn out fine.
- They are positioned opposite of Fear, which is the assumption that things won't turn out well.
- The "Hope Needs Will" thing makes a bit more sense if you think of Blue as Faith. Imagine a Blue Power Ring asking you not what you hope for, but what inspires you to act.
Without will to support, hope is just a wish, a feeling.
Now, under attack from Greed on their home turf? I'm pretty sure Ganthet and Co. will be able to handle Larfleeze and the Oranges.
Well, there's no reason to think the Blue Corps can't defend themselves just as well. Their weakness is doing anything for anyone else, right?
Moreover, I like the suggestion that Larfleeze isn't that bad a guy; just driven mad by literally millions of years of hunger. Arguably Hope converting him (and thus subverting greed) might be the same sort of coup as the Sapphires subverting and converting Kryb (assuming that doesn't go horribly, horribly awry).
And why wouldn't they give him a ring?
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