I still think we have a lot to learn when it comes to the Star Sapphires.
"And they will learn, the further away from the center, the more influence the power will have over its bearer."
So the Star Sapphires are gonna be a bunch of nymphos?
I don't have a problem with that.
Actually, I think we may find that there is a fine line between the Red Lanterns and the Star Sapphires. Love that is rejected or scorned or denied could drive the Sapphires into a killing frenzy.
So far, though, the only Corps in whom I haven't seen the possibility for "good" (or at least heroism in the face of the Black Lanterns) is the Red Corps. Atrocitus aside, the Reds don't appear to be anything more than rabid attack dogs. As bad as Larfleeze is, at least you can apparently bargain with him. Is it simply going to be a matter of the other Corps maneuvering the Red Corps into the path of the Black Lanterns and hoping for the best?
Come to think of it, I wonder why Atrocitus isn't nearly as mindless as the rest of his Corps. Huh.
I still think we have a lot to learn when it comes to the Star Sapphires.
"And they will learn, the further away from the center, the more influence the power will have over its bearer."
So the Star Sapphires are gonna be a bunch of nymphos?
I don't have a problem with that.
Actually, I think we may find that there is a fine line between the Red Lanterns and the Star Sapphires. Love that is rejected or scorned or denied could drive the Sapphires into a killing frenzy.
So far, though, the only Corps in whom I haven't seen the possibility for "good" (or at least heroism in the face of the Black Lanterns) is the Red Corps. Atrocitus aside, the Reds don't appear to be anything more than rabid attack dogs. As bad as Larfleeze is, at least you can apparently bargain with him. Is it simply going to be a matter of the other Corps maneuvering the Red Corps into the path of the Black Lanterns and hoping for the best?
Come to think of it, I wonder why Atrocitus isn't nearly as mindless as the rest of his Corps. Huh.
Because Atrocitius is the leader. He's the one who discovered the power, and built the Red Power Battery. He has control of it (for now at least) and thus, maintains control of himself- and more importantly- the rest of the Red Lanterns. Think of him as the Red's Guardian, as well as their Hal Jordan.
Wow. This whole "emotional spectrum" thing is getting complicated. I just want to see [strike]Guy and Kyle[/strike] [strike]Batman[/strike] Booster Gold fight a zombie Superman with a black ring.
Hope needs willpower to enact anything meaningful. They've said it before- that's why Walker and Warth were unable to do anything but defend themselves with Hal under the Red Ring's influence.
Without will to support, hope is just a wish, a feeling.
Now, under attack from Greed on their home turf? I'm pretty sure Ganthet and Co. will be able to handle Larfleeze and the Oranges.
The blue lanterns reignited a dying sun, does that count as something meaningful?
Hope is a highly defensive emotion, and cannot really be forced on anyone else. It can be given to someone who needs or seeks it, and can be inspired, but you can't really project it like you can fear, IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that the blues are borderline-indestructible, in that sense, and remember- their power power is amplified by the hope of everything around them. Larfleeze's hope for release could charge them up pretty significantly, and, if it even comes to a fight, I think the blues will do fine.
Hope needs willpower to enact anything meaningful. They've said it before- that's why Walker and Warth were unable to do anything but defend themselves with Hal under the Red Ring's influence.
Without will to support, hope is just a wish, a feeling.
Now, under attack from Greed on their home turf? I'm pretty sure Ganthet and Co. will be able to handle Larfleeze and the Oranges.
The blue lanterns reignited a dying sun, does that count as something meaningful?
Hope needs willpower to enact anything meaningful. They've said it before- that's why Walker and Warth were unable to do anything but defend themselves with Hal under the Red Ring's influence.
Without will to support, hope is just a wish, a feeling.
Now, under attack from Greed on their home turf? I'm pretty sure Ganthet and Co. will be able to handle Larfleeze and the Oranges.
The blue lanterns reignited a dying sun, does that count as something meaningful?
Hope is a highly defensive emotion, and cannot really be forced on anyone else. It can be given to someone who needs or seeks it, and can be inspired, but you can't really project it like you can fear, IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that the blues are borderline-indestructible, in that sense, and remember- their power power is amplified by the hope of everything around them. Larfleeze's hope for release could charge them up pretty significantly, and, if it even comes to a fight, I think the blues will do fine.
Ah, but they did so in the presence of a Green Lantern. Unless Atrocitus (and the bio-pic in my sig) was wrong, lying, or both, a Blue ring needs a Green ring to do anything but protect the wearer.
Ganthet & Sayd, being Guardians, are a different story.
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Solution: Blue Lanterns kidnap a Green Lantern and brainwash or make him to stay on their planet, because all they need is just one GL to power up it seems.
Wow. This whole "emotional spectrum" thing is getting complicated. I just want to see [strike]Guy and Kyle[/strike] [strike]Batman[/strike] Booster Gold fight a zombie Superman with a black ring.
Booster's going to be too busy fighting zombie Ted Kord to deal with zombie Superman.
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I still want Black Beetle to take off his helmet and reveal that he's a time-traveling zombie Ted Kord, with the combined power of a Reach scarab and a black ring.
Because the only thing cooler than a space zombie is a time-traveling space zombie.
As for why I assumed indigo as a natural complement of blue, in addition to the reasons that I stated, I forgot to mention that in GL39 Ganthet and Sayd told the blue lanterns to go seek out the indigos. That could mean a lot of things, but given what they represent it would seem to me to be for an alliance. And considering that Odym may be under attack, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is how the indigos are introduced.
Hope needs willpower to enact anything meaningful. They've said it before- that's why Walker and Warth were unable to do anything but defend themselves with Hal under the Red Ring's influence.
Without will to support, hope is just a wish, a feeling.
Now, under attack from Greed on their home turf? I'm pretty sure Ganthet and Co. will be able to handle Larfleeze and the Oranges.
The blue lanterns reignited a dying sun, does that count as something meaningful?
Hope is a highly defensive emotion, and cannot really be forced on anyone else. It can be given to someone who needs or seeks it, and can be inspired, but you can't really project it like you can fear, IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that the blues are borderline-indestructible, in that sense, and remember- their power power is amplified by the hope of everything around them. Larfleeze's hope for release could charge them up pretty significantly, and, if it even comes to a fight, I think the blues will do fine.
Ah, but they did so in the presence of a Green Lantern. Unless Atrocitus (and the bio-pic in my sig) was wrong, lying, or both, a Blue ring needs a Green ring to do anything but protect the wearer.
Ganthet & Sayd, being Guardians, are a different story.
Walker said that they were charged by the hope of the population of that solar system; Hal was a bystander in the process, his ring may have been used, but it was only passively so. The blue power ring has also demonstrated the ability to counteract and destroy red rings, and drain the power of yellow rings.
I don't place much stock in what Atrocitus said- to me, what's a whole lot more indicative is that Saint Walker basically agreed with him, at least in that blue rings can't create constructs. So they're certainly not traditional rings, in that sense, though OTOH they have shown the unique ability (thus far) to destroy/drain/augment other rings, as well as weird abilities like premonition. In short, I don't think we've seen the last of what blue rings are capable of by a long shot, and I'm really looking forward to seeing the blue/indigo effect, since Ganthet and Sayd are very deliberately seeking it out.
Well, won't the fact that Orange rings can't absorb Blue ones basically mean that Larfleez's invasion of the Blue Lantern Homeworld will be just a giant standstill?
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Ganthet wanted Hal to lead the blue lanterns as a green lantern < we've observed the complementary effect
Ganthet tasked the blue lanterns with seeking out the indigos < assumed complementary effect for this reason
In the battle at Ysmault, it was shown that blue rings create constructs based on the psychoses of the target, aka the red light was cleansed from John by showing him a blue-light construct of Katma Tui.
From the encounter with the Sinestro corps, we know that blue rings drain yellow rings.
From the mixup with Hal, we know that they destroy red rings.
We'll figure out how blue interacts with orange pretty shortly. All that we know for now is that the ring's statement that hope is selfless probably doesn't bode well for them working together.
We haven't seen how blue interacts with the star sapphires yet, but that'll be interesting I imagine.
I thought they wanted Hal to lead the Blue Lantern corps as a Blue Lantern, not a green one. Where are you getting that they wanted him to lead as a Green Lantern?
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I thought they wanted Hal to lead the Blue Lantern corps as a Blue Lantern, not a green one. Where are you getting that they wanted him to lead as a Green Lantern?
Ganthet told Walker that when they brought Hal back to Odym.
I thought they wanted Hal to lead the Blue Lantern corps as a Blue Lantern, not a green one. Where are you getting that they wanted him to lead as a Green Lantern?
Ganthet told Walker that when they brought Hal back to Odym.
Bah... I must have spaced on it. As I recall, I was pretty red with rage that they'd want Hal for the position anyway. And judging by how Hal dealt with both the Blue Lanterns he interacted with, and the ring when he had it, it's hard for me to think of a worse choice for a leader for the Blue Lanterns. It's almost like Ganthet and Sayd were set up to look like freaking idiots.
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'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
I was assuming that Ganthet thought that Hal's willpower alone would be able to power the entirety of the Blue Lanterns in the coming conflict- while they simultainously charge the rest of the GLs to redonkulous levels.
I thought they wanted Hal to lead the Blue Lantern corps as a Blue Lantern, not a green one. Where are you getting that they wanted him to lead as a Green Lantern?
Ganthet told Walker that when they brought Hal back to Odym.
Yeah, Ganthet also said that he was never intended to be given a blue ring. That was a choice that Walker made independently to get the red ring off of Hal.
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No? Did they bring him back in Booster Gold? Cuz I have not been able to get into that book. At all.
They did (awesome book too) but he was later caught in an explosion, and time travel, and yeah. It was almost the most unlikely situation to ever cause actual death in a comic book, ever (if only he'd been falling off a cliff into darkness at the time). Maybe we'll see him, maybe we won't, maybe it'll be his time-displaced corpse from this reality.
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Overthrow. He threw explosive balls from one of those.. scoop.. ball thrower things. He originated in Ted's 1980's series, and died shortly after Beetle in the OMAC Project, when he was attacked by several OMACs.
I don't get what's going on in that image Texi posted. Is that the Black Beetle? The laugh at the end is a trademark evil laugh. Someone explain.
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The Justice League International, of which Ted was a prominent part of, had a kind of signature laugh, "Bwahaha!"
Given that the shadowy intruder is showing up at Ted's "Beetlecave," holding a scarab, and laughing the same laugh that Ted helped popularize, optimists would assume that Ted got the better of Black Beetle in their confrontation, took his scarab, and then went back to the present and his secret base, in order to regroup.
Pessimists would assume that Ted still died, and Black Beetle showed up at Ted's place to raid his weapons cache, and just happened to laugh an evil laugh that strongly resembled Blue Beetle's.
It's very Schrodinger's Beetle. Until we open a comic detailing what occurred when Blue Beetle and Black Beetle battled each other in Booster's time sphere, he's both alive and dead.
It's very Schrodinger's Beetle. Until we open a comic detailing what occurred when Blue Beetle and Black Beetle battled each other in Booster's time sphere, he's both alive and dead.
Kyle as a blue definitely would have an open chance to function differently from a standard blue (even if he wasnt the avatar bearer).
Just look at Hal when he got the Red ring. He was able to make constructs with it, which no other Red was able to do, likely because he had so much experience doing so with the Green ring (perhaps this is why the Yellow rings function so much like the Greens, since they were first used by a former Green Lantern).
Kyle might be able to do the same with a Blue Ring (and since he had already been experienced at using Willpower as a Green, this would explain him being able to be more active as a Blue, even without a Green with him.)
Or hell just make a Guy/Kyle buddy space cop comic with Guy as a Green, Kyle as a Blue.
So, I was looking at my Old Stack of Random Comics I Got Once For My Birthday, and one of them is a Guy Garner one! Its a no-dialogue one in which he fights some random red guy with a yellow ring. One of the Sinestro Corps ones I have mentioned Guy having Sinestro's ring, and how it made him more violent. Is this what it was referring to?
Another little question: Have they ever told the story of how Mogo became a green lantern?
I think Mogo has been a green lantern for a long time, maybe as long as the Guardians have, since the creation of the GLC. Since Mogo sends out rings to new members.
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So, I was looking at my Old Stack of Random Comics I Got Once For My Birthday, and one of them is a Guy Garner one! Its a no-dialogue one in which he fights some random red guy with a yellow ring. One of the Sinestro Corps ones I have mentioned Guy having Sinestro's ring, and how it made him more violent. Is this what it was referring to?
Yeah, I have that Guy Gardner solo series around here somewhere. If I remember right, Guy got kicked out of the Corps for starting a fight with Hal. He somehow gets his hands on the yellow ring the anti-Guardians made for Sinestro (this was before Sinestro was imprisoned in the battery, so he didn't know about Parralax/the emotional spectrum). Guy had to recharge the ring by draining power from Green Lanterns, and he couldn't understand it because it only spoke in Sinestro's language. Guy did seem to be more of a dick and more violent when he had the yellow ring, but the storyline was never finished properly, because editors rebooted him as Guy Gardner: Warrior, which was truly awful and awesome at the same time. I remember Guy having the yellow ring when he and the rest of the League fought Doomsday, and that's about the only important thing he did with it.
I think Mogo has been a green lantern for a long time, maybe as long as the Guardians have, since the creation of the GLC. Since Mogo sends out rings to new members.
I dont get the Mogo ring deal. Sinestro Corps sends there's out no problems. Red Lanterns fly out at will. Blue one took off on its own after Hal lost it. Black is all up ons now. Star Sapphires were seen floating about on their own too. Why the heck are the GL rings so gimped in comparison that if Mogo dies, the corps is dead in the water?
I think Mogo has been a green lantern for a long time, maybe as long as the Guardians have, since the creation of the GLC. Since Mogo sends out rings to new members.
I dont get the Mogo ring deal. Sinestro Corps sends there's out no problems. Red Lanterns fly out at will. Blue one took off on its own after Hal lost it. Black is all up ons now. Star Sapphires were seen floating about on their own too. Why the heck are the GL rings so gimped in comparison that if Mogo dies, the corps is dead in the water?
I thought Ranx the Sentient City directed out Sinestro Corps rings? Additionally, we really don't know enough about the other corps to know if they don't have something in charge of ring distribution.
I remember Yodam Sat mentioning something about Mogo sending out GLC rings in Legion of the Three Worlds.
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I think Mogo has been a green lantern for a long time, maybe as long as the Guardians have, since the creation of the GLC. Since Mogo sends out rings to new members.
I dont get the Mogo ring deal. Sinestro Corps sends there's out no problems. Red Lanterns fly out at will. Blue one took off on its own after Hal lost it. Black is all up ons now. Star Sapphires were seen floating about on their own too. Why the heck are the GL rings so gimped in comparison that if Mogo dies, the corps is dead in the water?
I thought Ranx the Sentient City directed out Sinestro Corps rings? Additionally, we really don't know enough about the other corps to know if they don't have something in charge of ring distribution.
Correct re: Ranx. I think, in fact, we should presume there is some member of each corps doing so. The rings have always been depicted as being able to search out new candidates in their immediate area; the problem is the long-range searching, at least so it seems.
I think Mogo has been a green lantern for a long time, maybe as long as the Guardians have, since the creation of the GLC. Since Mogo sends out rings to new members.
I dont get the Mogo ring deal. Sinestro Corps sends there's out no problems. Red Lanterns fly out at will. Blue one took off on its own after Hal lost it. Black is all up ons now. Star Sapphires were seen floating about on their own too. Why the heck are the GL rings so gimped in comparison that if Mogo dies, the corps is dead in the water?
I thought Ranx the Sentient City directed out Sinestro Corps rings? Additionally, we really don't know enough about the other corps to know if they don't have something in charge of ring distribution.
Correct re: Ranx. I think, in fact, we should presume there is some member of each corps doing so. The rings have always been depicted as being able to search out new candidates in their immediate area; the problem is the long-range searching, at least so it seems.
I don't know... I'm kind of more inclined to think that someone just forgot the Rings aren't supposed to just go willy-nilly to the next psycho. It seemed like a big disconnect between GL and GLC in that regard.
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Actually, I think we may find that there is a fine line between the Red Lanterns and the Star Sapphires. Love that is rejected or scorned or denied could drive the Sapphires into a killing frenzy.
So far, though, the only Corps in whom I haven't seen the possibility for "good" (or at least heroism in the face of the Black Lanterns) is the Red Corps. Atrocitus aside, the Reds don't appear to be anything more than rabid attack dogs. As bad as Larfleeze is, at least you can apparently bargain with him. Is it simply going to be a matter of the other Corps maneuvering the Red Corps into the path of the Black Lanterns and hoping for the best?
Come to think of it, I wonder why Atrocitus isn't nearly as mindless as the rest of his Corps. Huh.
The blue lanterns reignited a dying sun, does that count as something meaningful?
Hope is a highly defensive emotion, and cannot really be forced on anyone else. It can be given to someone who needs or seeks it, and can be inspired, but you can't really project it like you can fear, IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that the blues are borderline-indestructible, in that sense, and remember- their power power is amplified by the hope of everything around them. Larfleeze's hope for release could charge them up pretty significantly, and, if it even comes to a fight, I think the blues will do fine.
Hal was with them when they did it, wasn't he?
Ganthet & Sayd, being Guardians, are a different story.
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Booster's going to be too busy fighting zombie Ted Kord to deal with zombie Superman.
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Walker said that they were charged by the hope of the population of that solar system; Hal was a bystander in the process, his ring may have been used, but it was only passively so. The blue power ring has also demonstrated the ability to counteract and destroy red rings, and drain the power of yellow rings.
I don't place much stock in what Atrocitus said- to me, what's a whole lot more indicative is that Saint Walker basically agreed with him, at least in that blue rings can't create constructs. So they're certainly not traditional rings, in that sense, though OTOH they have shown the unique ability (thus far) to destroy/drain/augment other rings, as well as weird abilities like premonition. In short, I don't think we've seen the last of what blue rings are capable of by a long shot, and I'm really looking forward to seeing the blue/indigo effect, since Ganthet and Sayd are very deliberately seeking it out.
Ganthet wanted Hal to lead the blue lanterns as a green lantern < we've observed the complementary effect
Ganthet tasked the blue lanterns with seeking out the indigos < assumed complementary effect for this reason
In the battle at Ysmault, it was shown that blue rings create constructs based on the psychoses of the target, aka the red light was cleansed from John by showing him a blue-light construct of Katma Tui.
From the encounter with the Sinestro corps, we know that blue rings drain yellow rings.
From the mixup with Hal, we know that they destroy red rings.
We'll figure out how blue interacts with orange pretty shortly. All that we know for now is that the ring's statement that hope is selfless probably doesn't bode well for them working together.
We haven't seen how blue interacts with the star sapphires yet, but that'll be interesting I imagine.
Bah... I must have spaced on it. As I recall, I was pretty red with rage that they'd want Hal for the position anyway. And judging by how Hal dealt with both the Blue Lanterns he interacted with, and the ring when he had it, it's hard for me to think of a worse choice for a leader for the Blue Lanterns. It's almost like Ganthet and Sayd were set up to look like freaking idiots.
No? Did they bring him back in Booster Gold? Cuz I have not been able to get into that book. At all.
Yeah, Ganthet also said that he was never intended to be given a blue ring. That was a choice that Walker made independently to get the red ring off of Hal.
They did (awesome book too) but he was later caught in an explosion, and time travel, and yeah. It was almost the most unlikely situation to ever cause actual death in a comic book, ever (if only he'd been falling off a cliff into darkness at the time). Maybe we'll see him, maybe we won't, maybe it'll be his time-displaced corpse from this reality.
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Given that the shadowy intruder is showing up at Ted's "Beetlecave," holding a scarab, and laughing the same laugh that Ted helped popularize, optimists would assume that Ted got the better of Black Beetle in their confrontation, took his scarab, and then went back to the present and his secret base, in order to regroup.
Pessimists would assume that Ted still died, and Black Beetle showed up at Ted's place to raid his weapons cache, and just happened to laugh an evil laugh that strongly resembled Blue Beetle's.
It's very Schrodinger's Beetle. Until we open a comic detailing what occurred when Blue Beetle and Black Beetle battled each other in Booster's time sphere, he's both alive and dead.
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Just look at Hal when he got the Red ring. He was able to make constructs with it, which no other Red was able to do, likely because he had so much experience doing so with the Green ring (perhaps this is why the Yellow rings function so much like the Greens, since they were first used by a former Green Lantern).
Kyle might be able to do the same with a Blue Ring (and since he had already been experienced at using Willpower as a Green, this would explain him being able to be more active as a Blue, even without a Green with him.)
Or hell just make a Guy/Kyle buddy space cop comic with Guy as a Green, Kyle as a Blue.
Another little question: Have they ever told the story of how Mogo became a green lantern?
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Yeah, I have that Guy Gardner solo series around here somewhere. If I remember right, Guy got kicked out of the Corps for starting a fight with Hal. He somehow gets his hands on the yellow ring the anti-Guardians made for Sinestro (this was before Sinestro was imprisoned in the battery, so he didn't know about Parralax/the emotional spectrum). Guy had to recharge the ring by draining power from Green Lanterns, and he couldn't understand it because it only spoke in Sinestro's language. Guy did seem to be more of a dick and more violent when he had the yellow ring, but the storyline was never finished properly, because editors rebooted him as Guy Gardner: Warrior, which was truly awful and awesome at the same time. I remember Guy having the yellow ring when he and the rest of the League fought Doomsday, and that's about the only important thing he did with it.
I dont get the Mogo ring deal. Sinestro Corps sends there's out no problems. Red Lanterns fly out at will. Blue one took off on its own after Hal lost it. Black is all up ons now. Star Sapphires were seen floating about on their own too. Why the heck are the GL rings so gimped in comparison that if Mogo dies, the corps is dead in the water?
I thought Ranx the Sentient City directed out Sinestro Corps rings? Additionally, we really don't know enough about the other corps to know if they don't have something in charge of ring distribution.
Correct re: Ranx. I think, in fact, we should presume there is some member of each corps doing so. The rings have always been depicted as being able to search out new candidates in their immediate area; the problem is the long-range searching, at least so it seems.
I don't know... I'm kind of more inclined to think that someone just forgot the Rings aren't supposed to just go willy-nilly to the next psycho. It seemed like a big disconnect between GL and GLC in that regard.