Welp, last night was a 3D Sarth 25-man and Malygos 25-man.. Still top 3 healing for both encounters.. Still using Divine Plea every cooldown. Only real difference I can see is that the Overhealing from my Glyph of Holy Light bounces is a bit lower now.. I guess this 50% healing reduction on Divine Plea can be seen as a buff then! YAY! Lookin' better on the meters OH YEAHHHH!
Oh! I see, there is little difference between Prot PvP and PvE... if there even is such a thing as Prot PvP?
I usually have a lot of fun in Wintergrasp, I also join the occasional battleground but it really depends on the bg in question for me to enjoy it. AV? Yeah. AB? Occasionally. WSG? Ugh. Eye and Strands? Meh
In WSG, a prot warrior or paladin with a pet healer makes one heck of a flag carrier/flag guard.
a slight 5man nerf, as when you're the only healer it will actually be a choice about when to take the 50% debuff.
Aye, that's about the only place I can see it being annoying. I may end up using it in conjunction with Blessing of Sacrifice on the tank now. Take some damage, mitigate some of theirs, and then heal myself and Beacon it onto him. Have to play with it a bit.
but in terms of raids its basically a net zero impact, as the other healers can always cover for you
Yeah, it's not even so much covering.. It doesn't make us stop casting, it just makes the heals less. I can still crit a Holy Light for 8k with that debuff up. I never stop casting Holy Lights, so in essence, it did nothing.
Oh! I see, there is little difference between Prot PvP and PvE... if there even is such a thing as Prot PvP?
I usually have a lot of fun in Wintergrasp, I also join the occasional battleground but it really depends on the bg in question for me to enjoy it. AV? Yeah. AB? Occasionally. WSG? Ugh. Eye and Strands? Meh
In WSG, a prot warrior or paladin with a pet healer makes one heck of a flag carrier/flag guard.
Without a doubt. The problem is that unless I queue up with a group I'm unlikely to find a healer in Nightfall horde who understands that. Well, or any DPS who understand "hur, let's help the flag carrier and healer get across the field"
I don't know why people have a hard time understanding the battlegrounds. And it seems all the retarded rejects that can't seem to stay out of the fire are the ones you usually play with in WSG or AB.
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I used to do 2v2 as Holy with one of my roommates as a Prot Warrior. We pretty much sat at 1450 ish. Or win record wasn't spectactular, but it was fun as hell to play, because there were very few teams that could beat us quickly. I'm sure it must have been infuriating to some of them to spend 15 minutes wearing us down. My favorite was the Rogue/Fury war combo that used some really annoying tactics, ended with both our warriors being the only ones left, pecking away at each other, only for my guy to end it by killing the other dude with a throwing start when he was trying to get to charge range.
Prot is fun in pvp, not as much as ret, but still pretty fun.
Like its just hilarious to watch these guys throw themselves at the giant wall of health that is you.
I used to do 2v2 as Holy with one of my roommates as a Prot Warrior. We pretty much sat at 1450 ish. Or win record wasn't spectactular, but it was fun as hell to play, because there were very few teams that could beat us quickly. I'm sure it must have been infuriating to some of them to spend 15 minutes wearing us down. My favorite was the Rogue/Fury war combo that used some really annoying tactics, ended with both our warriors being the only ones left, pecking away at each other, only for my guy to end it by killing the other dude with a throwing start when he was trying to get to charge range.
We ran a five resto druid team during season 2, every one of our wins came from the other team quitting.
My other two roommates loved to watch our battles, because they ran a Lock/SPriest team.
The whole time they were like "Wow, you guys are just so damn durable! Whether we win or lose our battles are shorter than the buff period."
Prot is fun in pvp, not as much as ret, but still pretty fun.
Like its just hilarious to watch these guys throw themselves at the giant wall of health that is you.
I've seen DK's just give up on me 1v1.
The fun part is when DKs try to solo me and learn the hard way how durable I am. Then they try running and discover what that "hammer of justice" spell does.
That reminds me, I need to start making a /thank macro whenever a DK death grips me. It saves me the time to run to him.
I've always wanted to make a 3v3 arena team "Team Tank and Spank" consisting of a blood DK with glyphed rune tap + mark of blood + blood aura, a prot warrior, and a prot paladin.
So whats a really good 3v3 team comp. Not necessarily with a pally, just looking for a good comp for the upcoming arena tournament that i plan on participating in.
Yeah i was looking at 3v3 teams on arena junkies and basically every top team above 2k rating in 3v3 has a holy pally. What makes them so good for 3v3 arena?
The shorter arena matches are, the better holy paladins are- they rely very strongly on bubble, so the longer a match goes on outside of those 12 seconds the worse they do.
I should really try some arena. I did some 5's on warlock at level 70 which kinda put me off the whole idea. We weren't very well organised and would usually get focused down before we'd figured out what to kill...
My brother wants to try some 2's on his mage, would a ret paladin be any good to pair with him?
The shorter arena matches are, the better holy paladins are- they rely very strongly on bubble, so the longer a match goes on outside of those 12 seconds the worse they do.
And arena matches are incredibly short now.
The only reason holy paladins look overpowered is 'cause they're the only healer that can survive the stupid amounts of burst Blizzard seems to think is great stuff for Arena and pvp in general.
I'll be leveling something on another server with a RL friend to get something different to do from my druid, and they need something tanky. If they were horde I'd transfer my current 70 paladin, but they're alliance so I'm moving a 26 paladin as soon as I've dinged 31 so I can take 1k gold total with me from my 70 alliance rogue.
Okay, not much to do apart from autoattacking and judging, but damn do I kick ass even at level 26. Soloed that 26 elite Blackrock guy + his elite whelp pet in Redridge.
So with Divine Plea and the new Seal of Wisdom it seems they neatly solved the mana issues non-Holy specs used to have. :^:
edit: and it looks pretty damn impossible for a ret pally to run out of mana.
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It should be like that for a while, especially since so much pre-WotLK pally gear has int.
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I'm still having trouble getting used to 30 min seals. I'm so used to refreshing them right before a pull and during boss fights that I have to make an effort not to do so now.
This isn't a complaint about the change though, just pointing out that old reflexes die hard :P
And I'm honestly not sure about the Divine Plea change so far, I haven't tried to do any of the "solo" stuff since the change like running ZG for the mounts. Will have to see how the additional nerf to healing affects soloing Bloodlord.
It's really nice not having to waste the global somewhere at a random point in my rotation to reseal, but I still reseal anyway all the time out of habit ><
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Also, I'm curious if there's anything I can do to improve on my gear without sacrificing small children to the RNG gods?
Edit: I know I'm nitpicking since there's 5 points left over to put in there. Just curious what the reasoning was.
i think there is free points anyway in a pve ret build
Plenty.
Sowwy, Arenadins.
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"Tardo Wan" sounds like a Jedi that required 436 years to train and then killed himself by looking into his lightsaber while turning it on."
but in terms of raids its basically a net zero impact, as the other healers can always cover for you
Aye, that's about the only place I can see it being annoying. I may end up using it in conjunction with Blessing of Sacrifice on the tank now. Take some damage, mitigate some of theirs, and then heal myself and Beacon it onto him. Have to play with it a bit.
Yeah, it's not even so much covering.. It doesn't make us stop casting, it just makes the heals less. I can still crit a Holy Light for 8k with that debuff up. I never stop casting Holy Lights, so in essence, it did nothing.
First Blood 85 Priest 80 Mage 85 Paladin 83 Druid 80 DK 85 Huntard 85 Shaman
"Tardo Wan" sounds like a Jedi that required 436 years to train and then killed himself by looking into his lightsaber while turning it on."
Without a doubt. The problem is that unless I queue up with a group I'm unlikely to find a healer in Nightfall horde who understands that. Well, or any DPS who understand "hur, let's help the flag carrier and healer get across the field"
Prot is fun in pvp, not as much as ret, but still pretty fun.
Like its just hilarious to watch these guys throw themselves at the giant wall of health that is you.
I've seen DK's just give up on me 1v1.
It was glorious.
Oh, and yay for super long seals.
The whole time they were like "Wow, you guys are just so damn durable! Whether we win or lose our battles are shorter than the buff period."
The fun part is when DKs try to solo me and learn the hard way how durable I am. Then they try running and discover what that "hammer of justice" spell does.
That reminds me, I need to start making a /thank macro whenever a DK death grips me. It saves me the time to run to him.
It would be hilarious.
Can't beat a tank with just under 40k hp who heals his whole fucking team for free.
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And arena matches are incredibly short now.
My brother wants to try some 2's on his mage, would a ret paladin be any good to pair with him?
The only reason holy paladins look overpowered is 'cause they're the only healer that can survive the stupid amounts of burst Blizzard seems to think is great stuff for Arena and pvp in general.
This is more or less the basic framework for the Ret leveling build.
Alas it was not to be. He left me only a week later for some other healer. I just feel so used.
In other news Love is in the air is fun, I kissed all the boys in Stormwind
/and I liked it
edit: and it looks pretty damn impossible for a ret pally to run out of mana.
This isn't a complaint about the change though, just pointing out that old reflexes die hard :P
And I'm honestly not sure about the Divine Plea change so far, I haven't tried to do any of the "solo" stuff since the change like running ZG for the mounts. Will have to see how the additional nerf to healing affects soloing Bloodlord.
Just want our buffs to last 60 minutes argghhh.
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