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    EnderEnder Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Do Judgements use spell or melee hit?

    If it uses spell hit, don't forget to add in an spriest for Misery.

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Last night as I was questing in Dragonblight
    Imaya:r u prot?
    me: Holy.
    Imaya: Sry, nvm then

    45 minutes later
    Imaya:r u prot?
    Me: Aren't you the same guy who asked me that like half an hour ago?
    Imaya:prolly
    Me:...

    He never even apologized for being dumb or anything.

    Dummy.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I've had that happen before too.

    Coincidentally that name looks awfully fucking familiar.

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    NambkabNambkab Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    bowen wrote: »
    Rule of thumb:
    If your raid is taking lots of damage over the period of the fight, it's probably not a good idea to use blood.
    Ex) Sapph the-big-blue-skeleton-dragon-of-wtf-frost-damage-over-time.

    In such situation, you will want to use command, unless you're an asshole.

    I wear my crown proudly, and in fact these days when I try not to use Blood (our last Loatheb kill since we were doing the spore achievement) the healers get pissy and tell me to go all out.

    And to Tofy, the information above is all accurate. Stack strength like a mofo, get your hit and crit from gear, and reap the rewards. Personally I like being near the hit cap as much as possible, which is 263, and when I started gearing at 80 I refused to go back under 29-30% crit. Paying close attention to upgrades will make that possible, and don't be scared to use the occasional piece of leather if it has great stats. For example the Wyrmrest exalted leather bracer is one of the best we can wear outside of Naxx. As well the leather belt from the last boss of Heroic Utgarde Keep is one of the best outside of raiding.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    If your healers are awesome, then no problems.

    I've killed myself on gluth's decimate because I was running blood.

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    RadiationRadiation Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Nambkab wrote: »
    For example the Wyrmrest exalted leather bracer is one of the best we can wear outside of Naxx. As well the leather belt from the last boss of Heroic Utgarde Keep is one of the best outside of raiding.

    Is there a list of items to get before Naxx? Pretty sure I have a lot of Naxx/Badge/Heroic stuff for my ret set, but would like to see what things would be BiS pre-10Naxx.

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    frylockedfrylocked Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I feel more powerful in my up and coming ret pally then in my DK while leveling.

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    bowen wrote: »
    I've had that happen before too.

    Coincidentally that name looks awfully fucking familiar.
    You play Horde on Zuluhed?

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    bowen wrote: »
    I've had that happen before too.

    Coincidentally that name looks awfully fucking familiar.
    You play Horde on Zuluhed?

    No but that name looks awfully familiar.

    And the chat you had with him was almost identical to what I said.

    Except I said

    "So... are you going to keep asking me if I'm ret?"

    And then I get

    (Guy who looks pretty fucking familiar to Toy's guy) is ignoring you.

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    NambkabNambkab Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    bowen wrote: »
    If your healers are awesome, then no problems.

    I've killed myself on gluth's decimate because I was running blood.

    I'll be honest, I've nearly pulled that one off myself, nowadays I just frantically hit esc to kill attacks while spamming my instant flash of light. It is still very dicey going at times though.

    As far as BiS gear outside of raiding--it will vary based on what drops you get and how focused you are on farming heroics etc.

    Helm: Spiked Titansteel (actually 2nd best helm in game for us, Obsidian Greathelm is the only one better)
    Neck: Emblem Neck or Amulet of Kings? I think it is killed from Heroic UP
    Shoulder: Honestly not sure on this one, I used my old ass S2 shoulders till I had enough emblems to get T7.5
    Back: Cloak of Bloodied Waters (also one of the best capes period)
    Chest: I used the BP of Undeath? I think it was for a long long time, several options here though depending on the rest of your gear
    Wrist: Wrist from Exalted Wyrmrest Faction, Vengeance Wraps are also pretty good
    Gloves: Gloves from Heroic Occulus, or Guantlets of the Culling (both have hit and plenty of strength)
    Waist: Belt from Heroic UK, which I swear is better than the plate emblem belt though that is not a bad option
    Legs: Legs from Heroic VH (Staggering Legplates?)
    Boots: Death-Inured Sabatons from Exalted Ebon Blade are some of the best plate boots in game
    Rings: JC Epic ring is very good, Hemorraging(sp?) Circle from Heroic Gundrak
    Trinkets: Mirror from Badges, and sphere of red dragon blood from nexus for the click effect and tons of hit
    Weapon: Titansteel Destroyer, Colossal Skull-Clad Cleaver, or Sword of Justice are all about the same end dps output


    That's really similar to the gear I had when I started raiding, though I never got the stupid ring from Gundrak to drop (I've still never seen it drop).

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    frylockedfrylocked Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Nambkab wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    If your healers are awesome, then no problems.

    I've killed myself on gluth's decimate because I was running blood.

    I'll be honest, I've nearly pulled that one off myself, nowadays I just frantically hit esc to kill attacks while spamming my instant flash of light. It is still very dicey going at times though.

    As far as BiS gear outside of raiding--it will vary based on what drops you get and how focused you are on farming heroics etc.

    Helm: Spiked Titansteel (actually 2nd best helm in game for us, Obsidian Greathelm is the only one better)
    Neck: Emblem Neck or Amulet of Kings? I think it is killed from Heroic UP
    Shoulder: Honestly not sure on this one, I used my old ass S2 shoulders till I had enough emblems to get T7.5
    Back: Cloak of Bloodied Waters (also one of the best capes period)
    Chest: I used the BP of Undeath? I think it was for a long long time, several options here though depending on the rest of your gear
    Wrist: Wrist from Exalted Wyrmrest Faction, Vengeance Wraps are also pretty good
    Gloves: Gloves from Heroic Occulus, or Guantlets of the Culling (both have hit and plenty of strength)
    Waist: Belt from Heroic UK, which I swear is better than the plate emblem belt though that is not a bad option
    Legs: Legs from Heroic VH (Staggering Legplates?)
    Boots: Death-Inured Sabatons from Exalted Ebon Blade are some of the best plate boots in game
    Rings: JC Epic ring is very good, Hemorraging(sp?) Circle from Heroic Gundrak
    Trinkets: Mirror from Badges, and sphere of red dragon blood from nexus for the click effect and tons of hit
    Weapon: Titansteel Destroyer, Colossal Skull-Clad Cleaver, or Sword of Justice are all about the same end dps output


    That's really similar to the gear I had when I started raiding, though I never got the stupid ring from Gundrak to drop (I've still never seen it drop).

    Revered shoulders from Hordir is very good.

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    DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    bowen wrote: »
    Rule of thumb:
    If your raid is taking lots of damage over the period of the fight, it's probably not a good idea to use blood.
    Ex) Sapph the-big-blue-skeleton-dragon-of-wtf-frost-damage-over-time.

    In such situation, you will want to use command, unless you're an asshole.

    The only time you will ever want to use seal of command in naxx is when the "decimate in 10 seconds" warning comes up on Gluth. Otherwise, there is no reason to use it.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Unless you're a retarded ret pally (IE: 99% of them) and can't move out of the blizzard of Saph. Or your healers are absolutely dumb as fuck on fights like lotheb. But I agree, there's very little reason to ever not use it.

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    firewaterwordfirewaterword Satchitananda Pais Vasco to San FranciscoRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I thought it was good form not to use it on Thadd, given huge kickbacks the charges give. I've only done that fight like twice as ret though, and I used martyr without killing myself, so who knows. Guess it depends on healers.

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    NambkabNambkab Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Thaddius was rough the first few times I did it, but now that the healers in guild all know to keep an eye on me, I just eat heals at about the same rate as the tank and all is well. Really unless you are slow receiving a heal and you get unlucky with a 25k+ crit followed by a large seal proc and his chain lightning you should be fine. My concern normally is with fools shocking me actually. (We have an unusual situation revolving around having far too many raiding resto shammies, so I spend most of every boss fight with an Earth Shield on me so I get an extra bit of healing when taking ae damage)

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    Just Some DudeJust Some Dude Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    For the Blood vs Command argument, you really have to just not be dumb about it. My guild often runs with 2 healers in Naxx10 and 4-5 in Naxx 25, so sometimes healing is spread pretty thin, especially on fights like Sapphiron, so I tend to run Command on it just because it's not a DPS fight anyway.

    You should easily be able to run Blood on Thaddius. The only time I've died from it was a freakish combination of stars-aligned 27k judgement crit + chain lightning + one guy deciding to adjust his position and getting charge zapped. There really isn't that much for the healers to do on that fight, usually we have a couple of them DPSing and just patching people up after swaps.

    As far as pre-raid gear goes, here's the list I used from EJ:

    Pre-raid Ret gear List

    Lootrank is also really helpful:

    Ret Pally Gear Weights

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    DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Command might be advisable if you are doing a no resistances run of sapph. We generally do it with resistance gear, so no one's taking much damage.

    Though, IIRC, our first kill almost no one had resistance gear and I used martyr. No achievement because of aura/death knight talents, some people using some/etc, though. We weren't going for the achievement, just no one bothered to get the gear yet, heh.

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    EnderEnder Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    You should try Judging Blood on Raz's Understudies after he dies. I've never seen so many ret pallies die to the same damn mob, especially killing themselves to boot.

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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    i've never been on a nax run that used frost gear. we just threw a pally aura up and dealt with it. It isn't too much loss to mitigate

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    Just Some DudeJust Some Dude Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Ender wrote: »
    You should try Judging Blood on Raz's Understudies after he dies. I've never seen so many ret pallies die to the same damn mob, especially killing themselves to boot.

    Now I've heard of this, but never actually seen it happen. Whenever we kill them the priest releases MC, and then they're tanked and die normally, they don't take outrageous amounts of damage.

    Maybe it's just ones that aren't MCed when the fight ends? They get a debuff or something?

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Langly wrote: »
    i've never been on a nax run that used frost gear. we just threw a pally aura up and dealt with it. It isn't too much loss to mitigate

    We usually run with 2 healers on 10 man, so it tends to be difficult without it.

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    EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Ender wrote: »
    You should try Judging Blood on Raz's Understudies after he dies. I've never seen so many ret pallies die to the same damn mob, especially killing themselves to boot.

    Now I've heard of this, but never actually seen it happen. Whenever we kill them the priest releases MC, and then they're tanked and die normally, they don't take outrageous amounts of damage.

    Maybe it's just ones that aren't MCed when the fight ends? They get a debuff or something?

    I...think so? I'm not exactly sure what is going on either, but on our last kill one of the understudies killed the other understudy from 30% in one hit.

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    NambkabNambkab Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I've judged an understudy for 358k before...it hurt.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2009
    I use SoC on Loatheb and Saph.

    I'm usually kiting on Gluth anyway, so I'm running with SoR then.

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    CokebotleCokebotle 穴掘りの 電車内Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Do instant FoL's from Art of War's proc still reset the swing timer?

    I use SoB on every fight in Naxx, and only switch to SoC if my health gets low in Loatheb. Otherwise, I just keep on trucking. But, I'll have to see how it goes if I drop a couple of hit gems for strength... Anyone know about how low is acceptable to go?

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    NambkabNambkab Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Instant Flash of Lights from Art of War still reset the swing timer. In a raid situation this can mostly be avoided by using a swing timer addon. I use ld50_abar personally.

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    descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Lightforge belt and gloves. Not bad for 5g, 20s.

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    ArkanArkan Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Is something wrong with my tank gear? One of the druids in my guild seems to think so, citing "you take too much damage" as a reason why I can't tank 10man malygos.

    There was also inexperience, which I'll admit to (never done the fight), but seriously if you never let me do the fight to begin with how will I ever get the experience in the first place.

    edit: armory is a bit behind, got a new shield, about 600 more hp and about 100 more block value, a bit less block% though

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    NambkabNambkab Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Your gear is fine for Maly10. I did my last Maly10 with our Pally OT the other night who has very similar stats, there was no issue at all with him tanking, and we did it with only 2 healers.

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    ArkanArkan Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Can you post a link to his armory for reference? I have this incredible urge to wave something in her face about this.

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    NambkabNambkab Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    He got a couple upgrades during our last night of raiding, but he was at about 28k unbuffed when he tanked the Maly10, now he's got a little bit bigger advantage on you. He has about the same avoidance and armor as you though, so an extra 1.7k unbuffed shouldn't be a deciding factor in you being able to tank the fight.

    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&n=Tony

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    Just Some DudeJust Some Dude Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Cokebotle wrote: »
    But, I'll have to see how it goes if I drop a couple of hit gems for strength... Anyone know about how low is acceptable to go?

    Even if you have 0 hit, you should always gem and chant for strength over hit except in the following circumstances:

    1) You miss so many judgements you run out of mana
    2) You have an item with a yellow socket with a socket bonus of +7str or more, in which case str/hit or str/crit is better than straight str, or any socket with a +8str bonus in which case you should match the color with a str/whatever gem.

    (1) will probably never happen, because you'll always have enough mana in most raid situations and you'll probably pick up a few pieces of gear with hit on it. (2) only exists on I think 2 items in the game currently so it's not really much of a concern either.

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    Kid PresentableKid Presentable Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Arkan wrote: »
    Is something wrong with my tank gear? One of the druids in my guild seems to think so, citing "you take too much damage" as a reason why I can't tank 10man malygos.

    There was also inexperience, which I'll admit to (never done the fight), but seriously if you never let me do the fight to begin with how will I ever get the experience in the first place.

    edit: armory is a bit behind, got a new shield, about 600 more hp and about 100 more block value, a bit less block% though

    You "take too much damage" because of the mechanics of the fight, not your gear. Your gear is fine. Obviously it could be a little better, but a breath from Malygos is going to take about half your hit points regardless. I know that very early on it took some getting used to from my healers to realize that if I fall below half health, I could get one-shot at any moment. Malygos hits very hard but not very fast - he has very sporadic damage where you can go from taking none with a couple dodges or parries, to being dead with a couple hits and a breath.

    I'm a warrior, not a paladin, but you definitely have more Naxx gear than I did when we first did Malygos. You're just suffering from "Heroic group LF Tank, must have 30k+ HP" tank requirement inflation syndrome.

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    ArkanArkan Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Arkan wrote: »
    Is something wrong with my tank gear? One of the druids in my guild seems to think so, citing "you take too much damage" as a reason why I can't tank 10man malygos.

    There was also inexperience, which I'll admit to (never done the fight), but seriously if you never let me do the fight to begin with how will I ever get the experience in the first place.

    edit: armory is a bit behind, got a new shield, about 600 more hp and about 100 more block value, a bit less block% though

    You "take too much damage" because of the mechanics of the fight, not your gear. Your gear is fine. Obviously it could be a little better, but a breath from Malygos is going to take about half your hit points regardless. I know that very early on it took some getting used to from my healers to realize that if I fall below half health, I could get one-shot at any moment. Malygos hits very hard but not very fast - he has very sporadic damage where you can go from taking none with a couple dodges or parries, to being dead with a couple hits and a breath.

    I'm a warrior, not a paladin, but you definitely have more Naxx gear than I did when we first did Malygos. You're just suffering from "Heroic group LF Tank, must have 30k+ HP" tank requirement inflation syndrome.

    I've never even been inside Maly's raid. The druid is saying I take too much damage in general tanking.

    Not one other person in my guild has raised this complaint. The druid is a guildmate.

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    DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Arkan wrote: »
    Arkan wrote: »
    Is something wrong with my tank gear? One of the druids in my guild seems to think so, citing "you take too much damage" as a reason why I can't tank 10man malygos.

    There was also inexperience, which I'll admit to (never done the fight), but seriously if you never let me do the fight to begin with how will I ever get the experience in the first place.

    edit: armory is a bit behind, got a new shield, about 600 more hp and about 100 more block value, a bit less block% though

    You "take too much damage" because of the mechanics of the fight, not your gear. Your gear is fine. Obviously it could be a little better, but a breath from Malygos is going to take about half your hit points regardless. I know that very early on it took some getting used to from my healers to realize that if I fall below half health, I could get one-shot at any moment. Malygos hits very hard but not very fast - he has very sporadic damage where you can go from taking none with a couple dodges or parries, to being dead with a couple hits and a breath.

    I'm a warrior, not a paladin, but you definitely have more Naxx gear than I did when we first did Malygos. You're just suffering from "Heroic group LF Tank, must have 30k+ HP" tank requirement inflation syndrome.

    I've never even been inside Maly's raid. The druid is saying I take too much damage in general tanking.

    Not one other person in my guild has raised this complaint. The druid is a guildmate.

    Tell them to fuck off, throw some racial slurs at them, and then gquit, taking part of the guild with you.

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    ArkanArkan Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Arkan wrote: »
    Arkan wrote: »
    Is something wrong with my tank gear? One of the druids in my guild seems to think so, citing "you take too much damage" as a reason why I can't tank 10man malygos.

    There was also inexperience, which I'll admit to (never done the fight), but seriously if you never let me do the fight to begin with how will I ever get the experience in the first place.

    edit: armory is a bit behind, got a new shield, about 600 more hp and about 100 more block value, a bit less block% though

    You "take too much damage" because of the mechanics of the fight, not your gear. Your gear is fine. Obviously it could be a little better, but a breath from Malygos is going to take about half your hit points regardless. I know that very early on it took some getting used to from my healers to realize that if I fall below half health, I could get one-shot at any moment. Malygos hits very hard but not very fast - he has very sporadic damage where you can go from taking none with a couple dodges or parries, to being dead with a couple hits and a breath.

    I'm a warrior, not a paladin, but you definitely have more Naxx gear than I did when we first did Malygos. You're just suffering from "Heroic group LF Tank, must have 30k+ HP" tank requirement inflation syndrome.

    I've never even been inside Maly's raid. The druid is saying I take too much damage in general tanking.

    Not one other person in my guild has raised this complaint. The druid is a guildmate.

    Tell them to fuck off, throw some racial slurs at them, and then gquit, taking part of the guild with you.

    ...I've been in this guild for three years.

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    CokebotleCokebotle 穴掘りの 電車内Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Cokebotle wrote: »
    But, I'll have to see how it goes if I drop a couple of hit gems for strength... Anyone know about how low is acceptable to go?

    Even if you have 0 hit, you should always gem and chant for strength over hit except in the following circumstances:

    1) You miss so many judgements you run out of mana
    2) You have an item with a yellow socket with a socket bonus of +7str or more, in which case str/hit or str/crit is better than straight str, or any socket with a +8str bonus in which case you should match the color with a str/whatever gem.

    (1) will probably never happen, because you'll always have enough mana in most raid situations and you'll probably pick up a few pieces of gear with hit on it. (2) only exists on I think 2 items in the game currently so it's not really much of a concern either.

    Hm... I guess my thinking is too much from my rogue (first toon to 70) where hit >> *.* I'll take a look at swapping the one or two hit gems first to see how I do, but it looks like I'm gonna be missing Naxx this week to try it out. My gear is still in progress, considering how often upgrades drop for me (like, average less than 1 a week if I can win a roll).

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    WillisIVIIXWillisIVIIX Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    What is it with Druids, like seriously? I had a similiar experience tanking Tenebron while we attempted a one drake up, and it being my first time in Sanctum in the first place. While I knew what was expected of me, the coy douchebag Druid tanking Sartharion can chime in Vent that we are losers and need to lrn2play. After 3 wipes of the DPS not burning down Tenebron in time before the second whelp wave, and the douchebag druid not allowing us to switch spots so I can sit on top of the fucking whelp portal so I don't have whelps flying all over the goddamn place his bro (a resto shammy) bitches him out on vent, then like their grandfather died or something and we finish the raid with only Sar up with 8 people. Dude jumps on gchat an hour or so later and types "Fucking fail." then bolts, the game for the night not the guild unfortunately.

    Since then I haven't had much care for tanking and in turn have specced to Ret. I haven't the room for those levels of retardation in my raid time. I'd rather be able to focus on the leet deeps and be a little more care free, if they don't like it oh well /gquit. Especially with player's who kill their grandpas or some shit jump back on to type "fucking fail", priorities seem to be mixed up with those people, and they're canadian, no offense to canadians.

    What is the deal with Druids? /seinfeld

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    ArkanArkan Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    She was polite about it.

    I'm pretty sure it was just someone expecting too much because of running the fight primarily with overgeared tanks. I was a bit... angry at the time when I was posting, but I've mellowed out by now.

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    EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    What, after you got us all riled up? There will be blood!

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