it's funny how some people think death is the worst that can happen to someone
it's really, REALLY funny
And in this case it's not necessarily death but more like nonexistence.
yeah
I tend to stay away from arguments that try to determine when "life" begins, but I'm sure if I were to actually think on it honestly, I'd probably come to the conclusion that a fetus doesn't know what's going on until it's hit the third trimester or so
still, I look at this strictly based on the well-being of the child AFTER birth and of the ability for the parents to be allowed to make such a choice if they deem it necessary
it's funny how some people think death is the worst thing that can happen to someone
it's really, REALLY funny
What's really hilarious is how some people think they know for a fact death is the best possible option for someone they don't even know!
well I never said "best", either
my point is that speaking in extremes is not helpful to anyone
aborting a fetus is not the right choice ALL THE TIME and it is not the wrong choice ALL THE TIME, either
it comes down to being able to have that choice
I state what I state because people like to slap on "adoption" as this end-all be-all solution to unwanted children when it's not that, there are very serious things that people should consider before that
naturally I side with the idea that people who can't handle the idea of having a child should not be having irresponsible sex in the first place, but again, in the case of a rape or failed birth control, having abortion as an option is incredibly important... for both the well-being of the child and that of the parents
it's funny how some people think death is the worst that can happen to someone
it's really, REALLY funny
And in this case it's not necessarily death but more like nonexistence.
yeah
I tend to stay away from arguments that try to determine when "life" begins, but I'm sure if I were to actually think on it honestly, I'd probably come to the conclusion that a fetus doesn't know what's going on until it's hit the third trimester or so
still, I look at this strictly based on the well-being of the child AFTER birth and of the ability for the parents to be allowed to make such a choice if they deem it necessary
If it has a heartbeat, it's a living thing.
This is my opinion.
A pigeon is a living thing. What's your point?
My point is going around killing pigeons wouldn't be right either.
it's funny how some people think death is the worst that can happen to someone
it's really, REALLY funny
And in this case it's not necessarily death but more like nonexistence.
yeah
I tend to stay away from arguments that try to determine when "life" begins, but I'm sure if I were to actually think on it honestly, I'd probably come to the conclusion that a fetus doesn't know what's going on until it's hit the third trimester or so
still, I look at this strictly based on the well-being of the child AFTER birth and of the ability for the parents to be allowed to make such a choice if they deem it necessary
If it has a heartbeat, it's a living thing.
This is my opinion.
Hello Mr Black&White!
They've made artificial hearts grown from stemcells.
All it is is a heart that pumps blood.
It doesn't feed anything, it just pumps blood, purely as an expression of science.
it's funny how some people think death is the worst that can happen to someone
it's really, REALLY funny
And in this case it's not necessarily death but more like nonexistence.
yeah
I tend to stay away from arguments that try to determine when "life" begins, but I'm sure if I were to actually think on it honestly, I'd probably come to the conclusion that a fetus doesn't know what's going on until it's hit the third trimester or so
still, I look at this strictly based on the well-being of the child AFTER birth and of the ability for the parents to be allowed to make such a choice if they deem it necessary
If it has a heartbeat, it's a living thing.
This is my opinion.
A pigeon is a living thing. What's your point?
My point is going around killing pigeons wouldn't be right either.
Yes, because god knows there's a dearth of pigeons. Just like there's a dearth of humans.
I think the biggest problem a lot of people have is there is no ironclad date that we can consider a mass of cells to be "life". Some people say it's at the first sign of electrical activity in the brain, some people say it's at the first heartbeat, some people say it's at 168 days, some people say it's at birth, some people say it's at conception.
If we could track down a point where we could widely consider a difference between sccraping out a mass of cells and killing a child, I think we'd have better odds at compromise between the two groups.
It should either be at birth or at conception, there really shouldn't be any willy nilly between them. Otherwise it is just compromises and questions one what is potential life.
The thing that I think about most is when should it be classified as a human life, as compared to an animal life.
Please, let us not start a hate train on this. I can feel it's heat already but I think this is a valid entry.
rather than making an uproar about unwanted children being aborted (children that would have been born into families unable to sustain them), we focus on making sure that the people that are ALREADY alive, stay alive.
you know like in places that aren't america or europe.
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Also maximum zero, if that's your definition, the heart beat isn't developed until the 12th week of pregnancy, it's therefore cool to kill it before then right?
rather than making an uproar about unwanted children being aborted (children that would have been born into families unable to sustain them), we focus on making sure that the people that are ALREADY alive, stay alive.
you know like in places that aren't america or europe.
:O!
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some would state "would you gamble the kid's chance of having a good life against not living at all?"
others would state "I'd rather game the kid's chance of having a bad life against not suffering at all?"
then it comes down to what you value most: the idea that the kid still has a chance at a good life, if a reduced chance... or the idea that a kid will suffer in some form or another at some stage in his life regardless of his upbringing or the cards he was dealt... or the idea that if you know the kid is not going to be born into a willing-to-adopt family and will instead spend years in foster care or even group homes, you will do what you can to ensure that no flesh-and-blood of yours ever suffers like that unless you can ensure that it can be provided what it needs (from emotional to basic health needs)
I think a lot of people think that those who do choose to abort take the decision lightly, while a lot of others think that those who REFUSE to abort take the decision out of mindless religious faith
neither of these is true and it'd be pretty damn nice if everyone remembered that
me? I only care that the choice exists, so naturally I have a beef with sanctimonious pro-lifers
rather than making an uproar about unwanted children being aborted (children that would have been born into families unable to sustain them), we focus on making sure that the people that are ALREADY alive, stay alive.
you know like in places that aren't america or europe.
Also maximum zero, if that's your definition, the heart beat isn't developed until the 12th week of pregnancy, it's therefore cool to kill it before then right?
Crowbars, cricket bats or hockey sticks?
we shall have such a lovely time
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it's funny how some people think death is the worst thing that can happen to someone
it's really, REALLY funny
What's really hilarious is how some people think they know for a fact death is the best possible option for someone they don't even know!
well I never said "best", either
my point is that speaking in extremes is not helpful to anyone
aborting a fetus is not the right choice ALL THE TIME and it is not the wrong choice ALL THE TIME, either
it comes down to being able to have that choice
I state what I state because people like to slap on "adoption" as this end-all be-all solution to unwanted children when it's not that, there are very serious things that people should consider before that
naturally I side with the idea that people who can't handle the idea of having a child should not be having irresponsible sex in the first place, but again, in the case of a rape or failed birth control, having abortion as an option is incredibly important... for both the well-being of the child and that of the parents
Oh I agree with most of all that. I don't see my post as any kind of rebuttal but rather a similar observation of the opposite prospective.
But I think you're being a bit contradictory now when you jumped all over that one dude in the beginning for simply saying he feels they did the right thing. He can't possibly know that to be true but wishing the best for the child doesn't make him a bad person. Just a bit naive.
Also maximum zero, if that's your definition, the heart beat isn't developed until the 12th week of pregnancy, it's therefore cool to kill it before then right?
Also maximum zero, if that's your definition, the heart beat isn't developed until the 12th week of pregnancy, it's therefore cool to kill it before then right?
I'm pretty sure that fits with the United States abortion laws.
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Also maximum zero, if that's your definition, the heart beat isn't developed until the 12th week of pregnancy, it's therefore cool to kill it before then right?
Also maximum zero, if that's your definition, the heart beat isn't developed until the 12th week of pregnancy, it's therefore cool to kill it before then right?
Crowbars, cricket bats or hockey sticks?
we shall have such a lovely time
Don't be retarded.
You use coat hangers.
how am i supposed to fit a whole wooden coat hanger way up in there?
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Also maximum zero, if that's your definition, the heart beat isn't developed until the 12th week of pregnancy, it's therefore cool to kill it before then right?
Crowbars, cricket bats or hockey sticks?
we shall have such a lovely time
Don't be retarded.
You use coat hangers.
Rusty ones. You won't make the unborn baby children scream, otherwise.
rather than making an uproar about unwanted children being aborted (children that would have been born into families unable to sustain them), we focus on making sure that the people that are ALREADY alive, stay alive.
you know like in places that aren't america or europe.
an earthshaking idea sir
Or, I don't know, you could make those places take care of themselves. I mean, that President of [Insert Foreign Country Here] could maybe live without that giant palace and fleet of cars and maybe use some of that money to feed his own damn people.
There are people starving in the streets in the United States, why the fuck are we bailing out other countries when we have plenty of hungry people here?
rather than making an uproar about unwanted children being aborted (children that would have been born into families unable to sustain them), we focus on making sure that the people that are ALREADY alive, stay alive.
you know like in places that aren't america or europe.
an earthshaking idea sir
Or hey, actually acknowledge that there are poor/impoverished/starving Americans and Europeans.
it's funny how some people think death is the worst thing that can happen to someone
it's really, REALLY funny
What's really hilarious is how some people think they know for a fact death is the best possible option for someone they don't even know!
well I never said "best", either
my point is that speaking in extremes is not helpful to anyone
aborting a fetus is not the right choice ALL THE TIME and it is not the wrong choice ALL THE TIME, either
it comes down to being able to have that choice
I state what I state because people like to slap on "adoption" as this end-all be-all solution to unwanted children when it's not that, there are very serious things that people should consider before that
naturally I side with the idea that people who can't handle the idea of having a child should not be having irresponsible sex in the first place, but again, in the case of a rape or failed birth control, having abortion as an option is incredibly important... for both the well-being of the child and that of the parents
Oh I agree with most of all that. I don't see my post as any kind of rebuttal but rather a similar observation of the opposite prospective.
But I think you're being a bit contradictory now when you jumped all over that one dude in the beginning for simply saying he feels they did the right thing. He can't possibly know that to be true but wishing the best for the child doesn't make him a bad person. Just a bit naive.
fair enough, and yes it's likely I read a bit more of the "holier-than-thou" attitude into the post than he even intended to put in there
I also reacted badly when it seems like he didn't read the whole article... the kids didn't abort because "god says it's wrong"... they didn't abort because THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WENT INTO TAKING CARE OF A CHILD and figured that "mummy and daddy will help us out"
THAT... and the idea that maximumzero believes they did the "right" thing... annoys the SHIT out of me
rather than making an uproar about unwanted children being aborted (children that would have been born into families unable to sustain them), we focus on making sure that the people that are ALREADY alive, stay alive.
you know like in places that aren't america or europe.
an earthshaking idea sir
Or, I don't know, you could make those places take care of themselves. I mean, that President of [Insert Foreign Country Here] could maybe live without that giant palace and fleet of cars and maybe use some of that money to feed his own damn people.
There are people starving in the streets in the United States, why the fuck are we bailing out other countries when we have plenty of hungry people here?
Because the pretty people on TV want to help Africa and not Appalachia.
it's funny how some people think death is the worst thing that can happen to someone
it's really, REALLY funny
What's really hilarious is how some people think they know for a fact death is the best possible option for someone they don't even know!
well I never said "best", either
my point is that speaking in extremes is not helpful to anyone
aborting a fetus is not the right choice ALL THE TIME and it is not the wrong choice ALL THE TIME, either
it comes down to being able to have that choice
I state what I state because people like to slap on "adoption" as this end-all be-all solution to unwanted children when it's not that, there are very serious things that people should consider before that
naturally I side with the idea that people who can't handle the idea of having a child should not be having irresponsible sex in the first place, but again, in the case of a rape or failed birth control, having abortion as an option is incredibly important... for both the well-being of the child and that of the parents
Oh I agree with most of all that. I don't see my post as any kind of rebuttal but rather a similar observation of the opposite prospective.
But I think you're being a bit contradictory now when you jumped all over that one dude in the beginning for simply saying he feels they did the right thing. He can't possibly know that to be true but wishing the best for the child doesn't make him a bad person. Just a bit naive.
fair enough, and yes it's likely I read a bit more of the "holier-than-thou" attitude into the post than he even intended to put in there
I also reacted badly when it seems like he didn't read the whole article... the kids didn't abort because "god says it's wrong"... they didn't abort because THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WENT INTO TAKING CARE OF A CHILD and figured that "mummy and daddy will help us out"
THAT... and the idea that maximumzero believes they did the "right" thing... annoys the SHIT out of me
Kids say the darndest things.
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well I never said "best", either
my point is that speaking in extremes is not helpful to anyone
aborting a fetus is not the right choice ALL THE TIME and it is not the wrong choice ALL THE TIME, either
it comes down to being able to have that choice
I state what I state because people like to slap on "adoption" as this end-all be-all solution to unwanted children when it's not that, there are very serious things that people should consider before that
naturally I side with the idea that people who can't handle the idea of having a child should not be having irresponsible sex in the first place, but again, in the case of a rape or failed birth control, having abortion as an option is incredibly important... for both the well-being of the child and that of the parents
My point is going around killing pigeons wouldn't be right either.
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Hello Mr Black&White!
They've made artificial hearts grown from stemcells.
All it is is a heart that pumps blood.
It doesn't feed anything, it just pumps blood, purely as an expression of science.
Is that heart alive?
Satans..... hints.....
pro-shut up you hoser
It should either be at birth or at conception, there really shouldn't be any willy nilly between them. Otherwise it is just compromises and questions one what is potential life.
The thing that I think about most is when should it be classified as a human life, as compared to an animal life.
Please, let us not start a hate train on this. I can feel it's heat already but I think this is a valid entry.
rather than making an uproar about unwanted children being aborted (children that would have been born into families unable to sustain them), we focus on making sure that the people that are ALREADY alive, stay alive.
you know like in places that aren't america or europe.
Satans..... hints.....
:O!
others would state "I'd rather game the kid's chance of having a bad life against not suffering at all?"
then it comes down to what you value most: the idea that the kid still has a chance at a good life, if a reduced chance... or the idea that a kid will suffer in some form or another at some stage in his life regardless of his upbringing or the cards he was dealt... or the idea that if you know the kid is not going to be born into a willing-to-adopt family and will instead spend years in foster care or even group homes, you will do what you can to ensure that no flesh-and-blood of yours ever suffers like that unless you can ensure that it can be provided what it needs (from emotional to basic health needs)
I think a lot of people think that those who do choose to abort take the decision lightly, while a lot of others think that those who REFUSE to abort take the decision out of mindless religious faith
neither of these is true and it'd be pretty damn nice if everyone remembered that
me? I only care that the choice exists, so naturally I have a beef with sanctimonious pro-lifers
an earthshaking idea sir
jigrah i agree with you on this
Crowbars, cricket bats or hockey sticks?
we shall have such a lovely time
Oh I agree with most of all that. I don't see my post as any kind of rebuttal but rather a similar observation of the opposite prospective.
But I think you're being a bit contradictory now when you jumped all over that one dude in the beginning for simply saying he feels they did the right thing. He can't possibly know that to be true but wishing the best for the child doesn't make him a bad person. Just a bit naive.
Don't be retarded.
You use coat hangers.
Satans..... hints.....
I'm pretty sure that fits with the United States abortion laws.
Not nearly as fun
Or, I don't know, you could make those places take care of themselves. I mean, that President of [Insert Foreign Country Here] could maybe live without that giant palace and fleet of cars and maybe use some of that money to feed his own damn people.
There are people starving in the streets in the United States, why the fuck are we bailing out other countries when we have plenty of hungry people here?
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clickin' on the last page, I've discovered that it has turned ugly
I find the Sun questionable at all times for some reason, and here I find it quite odd how eeringly eager this kid was at takin' care of a baby.
I also reacted badly when it seems like he didn't read the whole article... the kids didn't abort because "god says it's wrong"... they didn't abort because THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WENT INTO TAKING CARE OF A CHILD and figured that "mummy and daddy will help us out"
THAT... and the idea that maximumzero believes they did the "right" thing... annoys the SHIT out of me
Because the pretty people on TV want to help Africa and not Appalachia.
they're still goddamned people
Kids say the darndest things.
I did, and my brain hurts just reading the synopsis, but I think I will have to check it out to see how it all happens and is executed
seems quite interesting
Yeah but they don't smell nice
But our people are more important than their people.
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