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Pennsylvania Judges Take $2.6M in Bribes to Jail Children

TallweirdoTallweirdo Registered User regular
edited February 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
Reuters wrote:
Two judges have pleaded guilty to accepting more than $US2.6 million from a private youth detention centre in Pennsylvania in return for giving hundreds of youths and teenagers long sentences.

Judges Mark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan of the Court of Common Pleas in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania, entered plea agreements in federal court in Scranton admitting that they took payoffs from PA Childcare and a sister company, Western PA Childcare, between 2003 and 2006. "Your statement that I have disgraced my judgeship is true," Ciavarella wrote in a letter to the court. "My actions have destroyed everything I worked to accomplish and I have only myself to blame." Conahan, who along with Ciavarella faces up to seven years in prison, did not make any comment on the case.

When someone is sent to a detention centre, the company running the facility receives money from the county government to defray the cost of incarceration. So as more children were sentenced to the detention centre, PA Childcare and Western PA Childcare received more money from the government, prosecutors said.

Teenagers who came before Ciavarella in juvenile court often were sentenced to detention centres for minor offences that would typically have been classified as misdemeanours, according to the Juvenile Law Centre, a Philadelphia non-profit group. One 17-year-old boy was sentenced to three months' detention for being in the company of another minor caught shoplifting. Others were given similar sentences for "simple assault" resulting from a schoolyard scuffle that would normally draw a warning, a spokeswoman for the Juvenile Law Centre said.

The Constitution guarantees the right to legal representation in US courts. But many of the juveniles appeared before Ciavarella without an attorney because they were told by the probation service that their minor offences did not require one.

Marsha Levick, chief counsel for the Juvenile Law Centre, estimated that of approximately 5,000 juveniles who came before Ciavarella from 2003 and 2006, between 1,000 and 2,000 received excessively harsh detention sentences. She said the centre will sue the judges, PA Childcare and Western PA Childcare for financial compensation for their victims. "That judges would allow their greed to trump the rights of defendants is just obscene," Ms Levick said.

The judges attempted to hide their income from the scheme by creating false records and routing payments through intermediaries, prosecutors said.

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court removed Ciavarella and Conahan from their duties after federal prosecutors filed charges on January 26. The court has also appointed a judge to review all the cases involved.

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This is fucked up on so many levels and makes me glad to live somewhere where there isn't a profit motive for sending people to prison.

Are there any chances that between incidents like this and the chronic prison overcrowding in California and other areas that there will be a rethink of the way the US Justice and corrections system is incentivised?

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2009
    Nice.

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  • Bad KittyBad Kitty Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    This enrages me and I don't think 7 years is enough.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Bad Kitty wrote: »
    This enrages me and I don't think 7 years is enough.

    It isn't, and the fact that it's all that's being handed down is indicative of why we have suck a fucking problem with white collar crime.

    Oh, and one reason they don't give these bastards longer sentences is because if they give a sentence beyond a certain length, they can't put them in minimum security facilities.

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  • RussellRussell Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Bad Kitty wrote: »
    This enrages me and I don't think 7 years is enough.

    It isn't, and the fact that it's all that's being handed down is indicative of why we have suck a fucking problem with white collar crime.

    Oh, and one reason they don't give these bastards longer sentences is because if they give a sentence beyond a certain length, they can't put them in minimum security facilities.

    I wouldn't mind maximum security for these judges. "Jailed children for money" is pretty low on the decent human being scale.

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  • Dunadan019Dunadan019 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Bad Kitty wrote: »
    This enrages me and I don't think 7 years is enough.

    It isn't, and the fact that it's all that's being handed down is indicative of why we have suck a fucking problem with white collar crime.

    Oh, and one reason they don't give these bastards longer sentences is because if they give a sentence beyond a certain length, they can't put them in minimum security facilities.

    its 7 years because it was a negotiated plea for 87 months. they agreed to plea guilty.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    7 years is the punishment I would expect for doing this once or twice.

    2000 times!?!

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  • Dunadan019Dunadan019 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Scooter wrote: »
    7 years is the punishment I would expect for doing this once or twice.

    2000 times!?!

    you know the whole 'i agree to plea guilty for a lesser sentance' thing right?

    anyone who wants to read up on this can get all of the relevent articles here. http://www.timesleader.com/news/hottopics/judges

    i've been hearing about this for the past month from coworkers so its kinda old news to me.

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  • SliverSliver Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    what about the people giving the bribes? What's happening to them?

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    Scooter wrote: »
    7 years is the punishment I would expect for doing this once or twice.

    2000 times!?!

    you know the whole 'i agree to plea guilty for a lesser sentance' thing right?

    anyone who wants to read up on this can get all of the relevent articles here. http://www.timesleader.com/news/hottopics/judges

    i've been hearing about this for the past month from coworkers so its kinda old news to me.

    I think they should have made clear that they were seeking life and said the deal would be 20 years.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I really have to question the deal here. When the stewards of justice become corrupt it is worth a massive expense to punish them.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Yeah, maybe 17 years.

    They never should have let him plead that unless they had no real evidence to convict.

    Which doesn't make sense because then the judges would have never plead out.

    Fucking DA's office.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    I don't suppose they could share cells with people they've sentenced harshly?

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Bad Kitty wrote: »
    This enrages me and I don't think 7 years is enough.


    I don't think life in prison would be even remotely unreasonable.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    They betrayed everything the system is supposed to stand for goddammit.

    Needs more hangings.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Kagera wrote: »
    They betrayed everything the system is supposed to stand for goddammit.

    Needs more hangings.

    I'm with you on this one. The penalty for selling someone's freedom away in America cannot be too severe.

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  • AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I'm quite interested though in what's happening with the people in that prison bribing the judges. Was it a high up company policy thing to attract more business?

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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Holy shit

    D:

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  • Bad KittyBad Kitty Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I've never been a big supporter of the juvenile justice system with its hodgepodge of conflicting and inconsistent policies and dodgy constitutional application. Sadly this merely further cements the fact. You couldn't get away with this type of sentencing disparity if these kids had the full range of constitutional protections we give to criminal defendants. It also really highlights how fucking important it is to have the assistance of counsel.

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I can barely fathom how deplorable this is

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  • BarrakkethBarrakketh Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    mcdermott wrote: »
    jeepguy wrote: »
    Bad Kitty wrote: »
    This enrages me and I don't think 7 years is enough.

    I don't think life in prison would be even remotely unreasonable.

    I'm curious as to what the harshest crime they're technically guilty of is, and what the max sentence for that would be.

    I have a feeling I'd be disappointed.

    Then again, you've probably got two thousand counts of something. Driving in a suspended license carries a 14-day sentence where I'm from. Fourteen days times 2,000 counts is still 76 years. Shit adds up.

    I believe one of the articles linked earlier (well, in that archive that was linked) said the maximum sentence would be 25 years and a $500,000 fine.

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  • MalaysianShrewMalaysianShrew Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    At first I thought "7 years isn't that much, but since they are corrupt judges, I'm sure it will be punishment enough for them." But hearing they are going to minimum security prison? Fuck that shit. 20 years in minimum security with no chance of parole would be fair.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2009
    Minimum security means you're put into a gym area that's open, but you're still in jail, due to overcrowding. They are usually not their own buildings.

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  • DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Nice.

    Seven years? I'd like to see a tally of exactly how much excessive prison time these judges handed down in sentencing...add that up, then that should be their sentences. Assuming about 1,000 cases, and assuming as little as one month per case of excessive time, that comes out to 80+ years.

    Yep, sounds about right.

    Is there really anybody in their right mind that still defends for-profit prisons?


    EDIT: Also, as somebody that got charged with a misdemeanor simple assault in high school (my high school had a policy to charge both parties in any altercation, regardless of who "started" it), I shudder to think what a three month sentence in a detention center would have done to me. This was, ironically, back in good ol' Pennsylvania.

    This sort of thing pissed me off so much in high school.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    "Wait, this guy was pounding your head in and you dared try to fight back? TO THE GALLOWS GOOD SIR!"

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  • Mr. PokeylopeMr. Pokeylope Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    It bother's me that it took more than 2000 cases before someone realized something was wrong.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    It's cases like this one that convince me that the death penalty in this country is a fucking joke.

    If we wanted it to be a deterrent, we'd be whipping it out right here.

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  • RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    The only reasonable explanation for the DA taking a plea is that the case against the people who run the prison hinges on the judges testimony.

    Anything less is just a mockery of justice.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2009
    It bother's me that it took more than 2000 cases before someone realized something was wrong.

    It was between 2003 and 2006. They tripped up, got busted, the hammer is brought down. But the 2,000 statistic is that 2000 of the 5000 cases they checked got harsher punishments than they should have.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Ringo wrote: »
    The only reasonable explanation for the DA taking a plea is that the case against the people who run the prison hinges on the judges testimony.

    Anything less is just a mockery of justice.

    Fuck that. Do it the other way around. The guys running the prison are scum but they aren't scum who worked their way into the position in our society with perhaps the highest individual responsibility for Justice.

    They should be fucked (brought to Justice) by any means possible.

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  • MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I suspect that part of the reason that their crimes were not detected immediately is that judges have personal latitude to be strict or lenient. What makes their actions criminal is not the sentences they gave, but rather, the compensation they received.

    I agree, however, that the difference in punishment between white-collar and street crime is ridiculous.

    Edit: I do, however, get creeped out by the suggestions that they should get prison raped, or tortured, or whatnot. That shit is barbaric, even when you ignore the possibility of false conviction.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Kagera wrote: »
    "Wait, this guy was pounding your head in and you dared try to fight back? TO THE GALLOWS GOOD SIR!"

    This part probably doesn't even matter.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    As horrible as this is, there's no amount of legal or moral punishment you can give to make these judges regret it. On top of that, you also couldn't make them serve as examples to other judges in the nation on what NOT to do.

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  • EmanonEmanon __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    I just read this and I hope everyone involved is sued into the dirt and given heavy jail time.

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  • kildykildy Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    The really horrible part isn't even the judge's 7 year sentences. How much damage did they cause to the various kids by giving them jail time for minor shit.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2009
    Any news on what's happening to the bribers?

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  • JustinSane07JustinSane07 Really, stupid? Brockton__BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    The funniest part of this story was the Judge that was like "I"ve undone everything I've worked for." or something like that and I was reading the story going "YOU DIDN'T WORK FOR SHIT, ASSHOLE, YOUR CAREER IS BASED ON TAKING BRIBES!"

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