In the game, the protagonist (the player can choose either a skinhead or a Klansman) runs through a ghetto killing black people and Latinos, before descending into a subway system to kill Jews. Finally he reaches the "Jewish Control Center", where Ariel Sharon, former Prime Minister of Israel, is directing plans for world domination. The player must kill Sharon to win the game.
I have consumed half a gallon of orange juice since last night, though. That's helping, with the aid of acetaminophen. In theory menthol is supposed to help too but fuck menthol cigarettes and I can't really use the little vapor-patch thingy unless I can lay down a specific way for several hours.
I like you a lot Riemann, and would love to answer questions. But you take a pretty snotty and arrogant stance on stuff you don't know much about.
You have a point. But seriously, it's his tone rubbing off. The guy is a smug insufferable git and gets me all riled up just reading his prose.
But really, what you said about him just adding the God stuff to make get his message out there sounds exactly like people claiming Obama is really a secret atheist.
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Truth. Descartes is a total douche, no doubt about it. But if you invented modern mathematics and philosophy, I bet you would be too.
If there was a game where a black guy went into a Swiss suburb full of Caucasian men, women, and children and started blasted their heads off with a magnum because they were infected by an evil space species, would that be racist? And would it get anywhere near the aggression as Resi 5 is getting now?
The Swiss were probably racist!
...
And evil aliens!
I have heard there's a small haven for ex-nazis there.... or was that Chile.... swings and roundabouts aye?!
Yeah, could be true. There are some very old, very... conservative people there. Take your pick which country I'm talking about. :P
Could be => is. Pretty sure the US shipped a bunch of nazi's to south america to train some paramilitary units and to install some governmental structure. As for Switzerland... follow the trail of gold teeth, baby... gold baby teeth? Whatever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgQNP4O6Z4E
I have consumed half a gallon of orange juice since last night, though. That's helping, with the aid of acetaminophen. In theory menthol is supposed to help too but fuck menthol cigarettes and I can't really use the little vapor-patch thingy unless I can lay down a specific way for several hours.
Better than nasal spray. It's just a tube with a super potent chunk of vicks in it. You use it like nasal spray..but you inhale vapors.
I have consumed half a gallon of orange juice since last night, though. That's helping, with the aid of acetaminophen. In theory menthol is supposed to help too but fuck menthol cigarettes and I can't really use the little vapor-patch thingy unless I can lay down a specific way for several hours.
Better than nasal spray. It's just a tube with a super potent chunk of vicks in it. You use it like nasal spray..but you inhale vapors.
That looks useful. Now someone needs to come drive me to the store.
I have heard there's a small haven for ex-nazis there.... or was that Chile.... swings and roundabouts aye?!
Yeah, could be true. There are some very old, very... conservative people there. Take your pick which country I'm talking about. :P
Could be => is. Pretty sure the US shipped a bunch of nazi's to south america to train some paramilitary units and to install some governmental structure. As for Switzerland... follow the trail of gold teeth, baby... gold baby teeth? Whatever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgQNP4O6Z4E
If I bought a house at 200,000, and it's now worth 100,000, under this new forclosure bailout/plan/thing my loan would be renegotiated to no more than 105,000? Where is the other 95,000 going? How is that fair to the guy down the street who is in the same situation but can afford the house he bought?
Truth. Descartes is a total douche, no doubt about it. But if you invented modern mathematics and philosophy, I bet you would be too.
Wait, what book does he invent modern mathematics in? Because in the meditations whenever he talks about math or geometry he is quite ... confused. But I didn't mention that simply because it is a function of when he lived. Can't blame a guy for not knowing that math is no more Real than any other imagination simple because it follows it's own rules. That was widely believed until proven otherwise in the 1900s.
It seems to me that the absolutely necessary attribute to modern mathematics is rigorous proofs. In this sense Newton was a pre-modern (maybe transitional) figure. At least in Meditations Descartes is, in this sense, decidedly pre-modern. You are not going to find modern mathematics until the very end of the 18th century. IE: The generation of Cauchy, Gauss etc...
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Truth. Descartes is a total douche, no doubt about it. But if you invented modern mathematics and philosophy, I bet you would be too.
Wait, what book does he invent modern mathematics in? Because in the meditations whenever he talks about math or geometry he is quite ... confused. But I didn't mention that simply because it is a function of when he lived. Can't blame a guy for not knowing that math is no more Real than any other imagination simple because it follows it's own rules. That was widely believed until proven otherwise in the 1900s.
It seems to me that the absolutely necessary attribute to modern mathematics is rigorous proofs. In this sense Newton was a pre-modern (maybe transitional) figure. At least in Meditations Descartes is, in this sense, decidedly pre-modern. You are not going to find modern mathematics until the very end of the 18th century. IE: The generation of Cauchy, Gauss etc...
I'm not quite sure where is work on mathematics is published. I believe that his optics introduces cartesian coordinates. I think it comes out of a scattershot collection of letters to other mathematicians and mathematical puzzles he solved that were all the rage for intellectuals at his time.
If there was a game where a black guy went into a Swiss suburb full of Caucasian men, women, and children and started blasted their heads off with a magnum because they were infected by an evil space species, would that be racist? And would it get anywhere near the aggression as Resi 5 is getting now?
The Swiss were probably racist!
...
And evil aliens!
Read the article Tycho linked. It offers a pretty good analysis about the difference between saying, "You can't make a game where a white guy goes to Africa and kills African zombies," and saying "You can't make this game where a white guy goes to Africa and kills African zombies."
"It’s not as simple as saying, “Oh, they shot Spanish zombies in ‘Resident Evil 4,’ and now ‘black zombies and that’s why people are getting upset.†The imagery is not the same. It doesn’t carry the same history, it doesn’t carry the same weight. I don’t know how to explain it more clearly than that."
And this is pretty much his entire ideology against the game.
I have a problem with this, the game is set in a poor region of Africa.... I don't know why and I don't know what the full storyline is, but weirdly, I do know that this kind of place would be populated mostly by poor black african people. The history there is pretty solid. He also said that they definitely didn't have a black person on the team, as if he can perceive so much better than everyone else how those crazy racist crackers obviously didn't talk to any black people, when they probably do have staff members of every race.
I've never understood why I should be apologetic for what people hundreds of years ago who have absolutely nothing to do with who I am or how I've treated other people. In my eyes violence is violence no matter who it's aimed at and I view it as horrific for no matter what the reasons are. I hate racism and think you have to be small minded, unintelligent and naive to be a racist. But I am in no way associated with that and I doubt very much that anyone who made this game is. The fact is, they based it in a place, then set a story about that happening in this place, the game will have a 15 or 18 rating so kids shouldn't be able to get their hands on it.
If the game was based around something stupid like: Look at these easy to infect black folk, lets whack 'em! ... Or if the main character made racial slurs throughout, or if the people were significantly (in an out of character way) evil by their own accord and the game seemed as though the setting was forced for this... then I'd be in uproar with anyone else who saw it.
But I haven't yet seen an incident in the trailers of "hey it's all about killing people of different skin colours, gotta catch 'em all!!". In the first couple I'm pretty sure they were all white people set in a british or american country manor weren't they? And in the fourth one it was set in Spain and they were all spanish (although it was slightly weird how the boss kid seemed more british), now it's set in Africa and there are people who are native to that country being affected.
I would actually have no problem with anything said on that site, if their reason for arguing was so much based on:
"YOU WHITE PEOPLE CAN'T UNDERSTAND, YOU'RE ALL SO COLOUR BLIND (ha ha get it?), THERE'S HISTORY WE KNOW ABOUT SO MUCH BETTER THAN YOU AND SO OUR OPINION MATTERS SO MUCH MORE".
If you want to shout race hate a good reason has to be given.
If you want to shout anything I'd say make it about how it's as though a rich and highly trained marine seems to be going in single handedly to a poor place to violently kill, or be killed, by alien monsters dressed up as women and children. When they would realistically just be nuked.
If I bought a house at 200,000, and it's now worth 100,000, under this new forclosure bailout/plan/thing my loan would be renegotiated to no more than 105,000? Where is the other 95,000 going? How is that fair to the guy down the street who is in the same situation but can afford the house he bought?
Am I reading this right?
We need a housing market crash so people can afford houses
Truth. Descartes is a total douche, no doubt about it. But if you invented modern mathematics and philosophy, I bet you would be too.
Wait, what book does he invent modern mathematics in? Because in the meditations whenever he talks about math or geometry he is quite ... confused. But I didn't mention that simply because it is a function of when he lived. Can't blame a guy for not knowing that math is no more Real than any other imagination simple because it follows it's own rules. That was widely believed until proven otherwise in the 1900s.
It seems to me that the absolutely necessary attribute to modern mathematics is rigorous proofs. In this sense Newton was a pre-modern (maybe transitional) figure. At least in Meditations Descartes is, in this sense, decidedly pre-modern. You are not going to find modern mathematics until the very end of the 18th century. IE: The generation of Cauchy, Gauss etc...
I'm not quite sure where is work on mathematics is published. I believe that his optics introduces cartesian coordinates. I think it comes out of a scattershot collection of letters to other mathematicians and mathematical puzzles he solved that were all the rage for intellectuals at his time.
I don't deny that he did important work in Math. I just don't see how he is any more "modern" than Pythagoras.
No one in his time was really into rigorous proofs.
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Without reading any of the long, drawn out posts on philosophy here, what did this guy do for maths?
I don't deny that he did important work in Math. I just don't see how he is any more "modern" than Pythagoras.
No one in his time was really into rigorous proofs.
Well he did invent analytic geometry, and did something with tangential calculus or something which influenced Leibniz, so he was really searching for a way to be rigorous in his proofs. He and Newton are the forefathers of the mathematical work done in the 19th century, I would say.
Descartes' rule of signs is also a commonly used method to determine the number of positive and negative zeros of a polynomial.
Descartes created analytic geometry, and discovered an early form of the law of conservation of momentum (the term momentum refers to the momentum of a force). He outlined his views on the universe in his Principles of Philosophy.
Descartes also made contributions to the field of optics. He showed by using geometric construction and the law of refraction (also known as Descartes' law) that the angular radius of a rainbow is 42 degrees (i.e. the angle subtended at the eye by the edge of the rainbow and the ray passing from the sun through the rainbow's centre is 42°).[10] He also independently discovered the law of reflection, and his essay on optics was the first published mention of this law.[11]
One of Descartes most enduring legacies was his development of Cartesian geometry which uses algebra to describe geometry. He also invented the notation which uses superscripts to show the powers or exponents, for example the 2 used in x2 to indicate squaring.
Mathematicians love naming stuff after themselves. Ask RiemannLives about Riemann integration, the Riemann sphere, Riemann surfaces, the Riemann zeta function and the Riemann hypothesis. And this is just Riemann's stuff that i know off the top of my head.
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Truth. Descartes is a total douche, no doubt about it. But if you invented modern mathematics and philosophy, I bet you would be too.
Psssh. Every "inventor of modern X" always ends up being a bullshit artist hiding the true innovator who died poor and unrecognized.
Is there a difference between modern philosophy and drug addiction?
Not really, no.
Although modern philosophy hasn't really been done in 150 years.
We need to stop naming things "modern". It gets really awkward when it's 1500 years later and you're discussing "modern art".
Archaeologists solved this problem in our discourse by agreeing that "present" is 1950.
But but but
That doesn't solve it at all!
I think quite often the Enlightenment is used as a line to distingusih 'modern' ideas from those of the 'medieval' period and 'antiquity'. It's all pretty arbitrary and really depends on what subject you're doing.
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Also, I'm not hearing the sounds of food cooking. Internet prodding has failed.
Johannen the argument being made isn't that it's racist but that it's racially insensitive. For example, were I to say something without racist intent, but cognizant of the fact that it was cackling with racial intensity, I'd be behaving in what we'd call a 'racially insensitive' fashion.
From there I guess it's up to the individual to decide whether they're going to go out of their way to not be insensitive.
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You have a point. But seriously, it's his tone rubbing off. The guy is a smug insufferable git and gets me all riled up just reading his prose.
But really, what you said about him just adding the God stuff to make get his message out there sounds exactly like people claiming Obama is really a secret atheist.
Could be => is. Pretty sure the US shipped a bunch of nazi's to south america to train some paramilitary units and to install some governmental structure. As for Switzerland... follow the trail of gold teeth, baby... gold baby teeth? Whatever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgQNP4O6Z4E
Better than nasal spray. It's just a tube with a super potent chunk of vicks in it. You use it like nasal spray..but you inhale vapors.
Start a new one?
you on't say!
*prod, prod, prod*
That looks useful. Now someone needs to come drive me to the store.
Is there a difference between modern philosophy and drug addiction?
"Forget history". Yeah, wow.
If I bought a house at 200,000, and it's now worth 100,000, under this new forclosure bailout/plan/thing my loan would be renegotiated to no more than 105,000? Where is the other 95,000 going? How is that fair to the guy down the street who is in the same situation but can afford the house he bought?
Am I reading this right?
Wait, what book does he invent modern mathematics in? Because in the meditations whenever he talks about math or geometry he is quite ... confused. But I didn't mention that simply because it is a function of when he lived. Can't blame a guy for not knowing that math is no more Real than any other imagination simple because it follows it's own rules. That was widely believed until proven otherwise in the 1900s.
It seems to me that the absolutely necessary attribute to modern mathematics is rigorous proofs. In this sense Newton was a pre-modern (maybe transitional) figure. At least in Meditations Descartes is, in this sense, decidedly pre-modern. You are not going to find modern mathematics until the very end of the 18th century. IE: The generation of Cauchy, Gauss etc...
Not really, no.
Although modern philosophy hasn't really been done in 150 years.
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I'm not quite sure where is work on mathematics is published. I believe that his optics introduces cartesian coordinates. I think it comes out of a scattershot collection of letters to other mathematicians and mathematical puzzles he solved that were all the rage for intellectuals at his time.
I have a problem with this, the game is set in a poor region of Africa.... I don't know why and I don't know what the full storyline is, but weirdly, I do know that this kind of place would be populated mostly by poor black african people. The history there is pretty solid. He also said that they definitely didn't have a black person on the team, as if he can perceive so much better than everyone else how those crazy racist crackers obviously didn't talk to any black people, when they probably do have staff members of every race.
I've never understood why I should be apologetic for what people hundreds of years ago who have absolutely nothing to do with who I am or how I've treated other people. In my eyes violence is violence no matter who it's aimed at and I view it as horrific for no matter what the reasons are. I hate racism and think you have to be small minded, unintelligent and naive to be a racist. But I am in no way associated with that and I doubt very much that anyone who made this game is. The fact is, they based it in a place, then set a story about that happening in this place, the game will have a 15 or 18 rating so kids shouldn't be able to get their hands on it.
If the game was based around something stupid like: Look at these easy to infect black folk, lets whack 'em! ... Or if the main character made racial slurs throughout, or if the people were significantly (in an out of character way) evil by their own accord and the game seemed as though the setting was forced for this... then I'd be in uproar with anyone else who saw it.
But I haven't yet seen an incident in the trailers of "hey it's all about killing people of different skin colours, gotta catch 'em all!!". In the first couple I'm pretty sure they were all white people set in a british or american country manor weren't they? And in the fourth one it was set in Spain and they were all spanish (although it was slightly weird how the boss kid seemed more british), now it's set in Africa and there are people who are native to that country being affected.
I would actually have no problem with anything said on that site, if their reason for arguing was so much based on:
"YOU WHITE PEOPLE CAN'T UNDERSTAND, YOU'RE ALL SO COLOUR BLIND (ha ha get it?), THERE'S HISTORY WE KNOW ABOUT SO MUCH BETTER THAN YOU AND SO OUR OPINION MATTERS SO MUCH MORE".
If you want to shout race hate a good reason has to be given.
If you want to shout anything I'd say make it about how it's as though a rich and highly trained marine seems to be going in single handedly to a poor place to violently kill, or be killed, by alien monsters dressed up as women and children. When they would realistically just be nuked.
We need to stop naming things "modern". It gets really awkward when it's 1500 years later and you're discussing "modern art".
Also! Dammit New Super Mario Bros let me into the two secret worlds you asshole I've gone everywhere!
I don't deny that he did important work in Math. I just don't see how he is any more "modern" than Pythagoras.
No one in his time was really into rigorous proofs.
Archaeologists solved this problem in our discourse by agreeing that "present" is 1950.
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Descartes?
Cartesian coordinates, a la: x, y, and z
Other stuff in there too.
Invented cartesian coordinates. Probably other stuff too, but it's not named after him.
He found the SOB that invented geometry and he killed him.
Well he did invent analytic geometry, and did something with tangential calculus or something which influenced Leibniz, so he was really searching for a way to be rigorous in his proofs. He and Newton are the forefathers of the mathematical work done in the 19th century, I would say.
That doesn't solve it at all!
I think quite often the Enlightenment is used as a line to distingusih 'modern' ideas from those of the 'medieval' period and 'antiquity'. It's all pretty arbitrary and really depends on what subject you're doing.
From there I guess it's up to the individual to decide whether they're going to go out of their way to not be insensitive.