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Obama's first (not really) State of the Union - Texts in OP
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Tonight Obama will give his first State of the Union address, though due to tradition we don't call it that immediately after the inauguration (it's still the same speech, in the same place, to the same crowd, with the same coverage and response from the opposition party).
The speech will be at 9 pm EST on all the major channels and streaming in the usual places (CNN, MSNBC, and CSPAN tend to be favorites). Speech time will run 50-60 minutes, with a 15 minute response from Gov Jindal of Louisiana.
So far there haven't been many hints as to the substance of Obama's speech, though the general assumption is that he'll use it as an opportunity to re-enforce the case for the stimulus, lay groundwork for the overhaul of the financial sector, and build the rhetorical case for the budget he is unveiling on Thursday, which will focus on cutting the deficit in half by the end of his first term and healthcare reform to stabilize the fiscal outlook in the US. Released excerpts of Jindal's response can be found here, the main idea seems to be standard republican talking points when they're in the minority (government is too big, cut taxes, etc).
The FOLLOW UP
Total standing ovations by my count: 40 unanimous, 2 Democrat only/majority
Text of Obama's Speech
Text of Jindal's response
The speech will be at 9 pm EST on all the major channels and streaming in the usual places (CNN, MSNBC, and CSPAN tend to be favorites). Speech time will run 50-60 minutes, with a 15 minute response from Gov Jindal of Louisiana.
So far there haven't been many hints as to the substance of Obama's speech, though the general assumption is that he'll use it as an opportunity to re-enforce the case for the stimulus, lay groundwork for the overhaul of the financial sector, and build the rhetorical case for the budget he is unveiling on Thursday, which will focus on cutting the deficit in half by the end of his first term and healthcare reform to stabilize the fiscal outlook in the US. Released excerpts of Jindal's response can be found here, the main idea seems to be standard republican talking points when they're in the minority (government is too big, cut taxes, etc).
The FOLLOW UP
Total standing ovations by my count: 40 unanimous, 2 Democrat only/majority
Text of Obama's Speech
Text of Jindal's response
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With the way things are right now. Not much optimism is expected. A grim tone in Washington.
NNID: Hakkekage
Yeah, Obama isn't known for his optimism.
Well, we tried two years of the president and Treasury insisting the "economy was fundamentally sound" and that no one was experiencing any difficulties in the face of all possible evidence, I think we can go more than a month of honestly facing reality before we start worry if we've going over board on bringing people down. And it doesn't help we've got a minority party who literally doesn't have a plan beyond step 1) opposing everything the majority is doing and a distant step 2) do the same thing that cause the problems in the first place but harder.
"Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem!"
Why do you keep misquoting your idol?
Revisionist history.
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Count me in on the under
Guess he's officially being groomed.
When you fail to learn the lessons of history you fuck everyone else in the ass as we all repeat it. This isn't the 1980's. Any true Conservative or Reagan-Republican would realize that.
In any event it's going to be ~3 parts dour, ~2 parts optimistic, 1 part pie. Nobody wants a Pollyanna President, we had that with Bush and it didn't end well. At the same time he isn't going to point out the malaise in the country without trying to talk people out of it.
as if he could
They're looking to him as the new face of the party, some sources say.
But it's the same brain, the same talking points.
NNID: Hakkekage
You could have found a better quote though really. I mean, the money we're spending on all this shit is going to be paid back by the children eventually.
You apparently know about as much about economics as you do about anything else. Look up the concept of investment, for instance, or "human capital." Those are good starting points.
It'll be paid down until it's a manageable portion of the GDP, but really the U.S. is going to just revolve the debt forever.
edit: and it can because it is immortal and lending to the U.S. government remains the safest investment possible.
I'd ask my kids for a loan if we were both immortal and legally obliged to coin our own currency.
IT IS AN IMMORTAL, IT HAS INSIDE IT BLOOD OF KINGS
Also, I was quoting from memory. The line I really wanted was "blah blah he'll grow the government, increase taxes, etc..."
There's also the fact that Repubs are suggesting quitting your job when your kids can't eat as it is.
Hopefully. It'll be an introduction to the national stage in a setting of his choosing. A lot is going to ride on this, and if he comes across as reasonable and, well, sane it's gong to be beneficial for him. Especially in terms of stumping nationally for seats in 2010. If he goes all Rush Limbaugh on it then I can't see it helping outside of 'real' America.
The excerpts are wingnutty.
She didn't flop. I remember there being a very interesting roaring fire in the background of her response.
Jindal's going to be shooting for a Jim Webb response, but he doesn't have the same kind of unquestioned authority on economic matters (or foreign policy for that matter) as Webb had for military in order to effectively respond to a Bush SotU. It'll probably be middling to bad, but then that's what I'm hoping for.
Commerce :P
well...
I closed the sidebar.
Of course I don't plan on voting for him either way, but.. who knows