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On Tiny Computers And My Desire For One

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Maybe it has already been asked, but how in the hell could you type on that keypad (it is too tiny to be a key board) without getting serious hand cramping?

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  • ArgusArgus Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Correct me if I'm wrong but that Hackintosh article says you need a 16gig SSD and the $200 one is just 4gigs. Getting the 16gig drive adds $75 to the price.

    This is all very ridiculous. I can't imagine using a harddrive with 4-16gb. The 15" laptop I'm currently rocking has a 500 gb harddrive, and I like it like that, :P.

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  • Sgt EversmanSgt Eversman Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    good thing SSD prices are dropping like a stone. on average the prices get cut in half every 4 months or so. Right now you can pick up a 16gb SSD for 30 bucks.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2009
    MikeRyu wrote: »
    Is it worth getting a notebook with a solid state hard drive? Are there any significant advantages?

    Fast as fuck boot-up

    Improved battery life

    Longer lifespan

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  • AbracadanielAbracadaniel Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    However, SSDs do have a lifespan when it comes to writing data to the disk, one of the Ubuntu tutorials mentions it when disabling Tracker, a file searching/indexing utility in Ubuntu.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Argus wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Correct me if I'm wrong but that Hackintosh article says you need a 16gig SSD and the $200 one is just 4gigs. Getting the 16gig drive adds $75 to the price.

    This is all very ridiculous. I can't imagine using a harddrive with 4-16gb. The 15" laptop I'm currently rocking has a 500 gb harddrive, and I like it like that, :P.

    If the laptop is your main computer, sure. I can definitely see someone getting one of these as a travel/work computer and only using it for such, and having a home PC for their gaming and videos and stuff.

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  • SquallSquall hap cloud Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Argus wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Correct me if I'm wrong but that Hackintosh article says you need a 16gig SSD and the $200 one is just 4gigs. Getting the 16gig drive adds $75 to the price.

    This is all very ridiculous. I can't imagine using a harddrive with 4-16gb. The 15" laptop I'm currently rocking has a 500 gb harddrive, and I like it like that, :P.

    If the laptop is your main computer, sure. I can definitely see someone getting one of these as a travel/work computer and only using it for such, and having a home PC for their gaming and videos and stuff.

    This is precisely why I just ordered one as well. I'll be able to network the computers at home and get any files I need for the netbook from my main computer.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2009
    Smart Hero wrote: »
    However, SSDs do have a lifespan when it comes to writing data to the disk, one of the Ubuntu tutorials mentions it when disabling Tracker, a file searching/indexing utility in Ubuntu.

    How does it compare to the average lifespan of a mechanical hard drive? I was mostly assuming that 'Doesn't Move > Does Move' when it comes to components wearing out.

    We got my in-laws an Acer Aspire One last month. For what it is, I think it's a great little machine. Really, we bought it for them to use more or less exclusively as a skype video phone, so that they could talk to my wife and see her and the baby. They talk on the phone twice a week anyway, so there's definitely a money incentive to those calls transferring over to skype and the Aspire One made it ridiculously easy and cheap to set up. It comes with a built in mic and video camera which, whilst hardly excellent quality, are certainly functionally fit-for-purpose and the custom user interface that sits on top of linux makes it really easy for them to use. It boots up in seconds, and everything is contained in one piece of equipment so it isn't a hassle to set up in the living room.

    It even has a 3G sim card slot, so if you had a 3G contract with an unlimited data rate you effectively have a portable video phone (I think some cell networks over here will actually give you an Apsire One free with a 3G contract instead of a regular handset - so for £35 a month you could have an Aspire One instead of a Blackberry or iPhone).

    They definitely fill a niche in my opinion, although you need to be a member of that niche to really appreciate them. While I was setting it up I kept wishing I had a reason to own one myself.

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  • AbracadanielAbracadaniel Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Smart Hero wrote: »
    However, SSDs do have a lifespan when it comes to writing data to the disk, one of the Ubuntu tutorials mentions it when disabling Tracker, a file searching/indexing utility in Ubuntu.

    How does it compare to the average lifespan of a mechanical hard drive? I was mostly assuming that 'Doesn't Move > Does Move' when it comes to components wearing out.

    We got my in-laws an Acer Aspire One last month. For what it is, I think it's a great little machine. Really, we bought it for them to use more or less exclusively as a skype video phone, so that they could talk to my wife and see her and the baby. They talk on the phone twice a week anyway, so there's definitely a money incentive to those calls transferring over to skype and the Aspire One made it ridiculously easy and cheap to set up. It comes with a built in mic and video camera which, whilst hardly excellent quality, are certainly functionally fit-for-purpose and the custom user interface that sits on top of linux makes it really easy for them to use. It boots up in seconds, and everything is contained in one piece of equipment so it isn't a hassle to set up in the living room.

    It even has a 3G sim card slot, so if you had a 3G contract with an unlimited data rate you effectively have a portable video phone (I think some cell networks over here will actually give you an Apsire One free with a 3G contract instead of a regular handset - so for £35 a month you could have an Aspire One instead of a Blackberry or iPhone).

    They definitely fill a niche in my opinion, although you need to be a member of that niche to really appreciate them. While I was setting it up I kept wishing I had a reason to own one myself.

    Overall, the SSDs are more power-efficient with the no-moving-parts thing, but they still do have a lifespan. . rather than try to make complete sense of it myself I'll just throw up the Wikipedia entry:
    Wikipedia wrote:
    Limited write (erase) cycles: Flash-memory cells will often wear out after 1,000 to 10,000 write cycles for MLC, and up to 100,000 write cycles for SLC, while high endurance cells may have an endurance of 1–5 million write cycles (many log files, file allocation tables, and other commonly used parts of the file system exceed this over the lifetime of a computer). Special file systems or firmware designs can mitigate this problem by spreading writes over the entire device (so-called wear levelling), rather than rewriting files in place. In 2008 wear levelling was just beginning to be incorporated into consumer level devices. However, effective write cycles can be much less, because when a write request is made to a particular memory block, all data in the block is overwritten even when only part of the memory is altered. The write amplification, as referred by Intel, can be reduced using write memory buffer. In combination with wear leveling, over-provisioning SSD flash drives with spared memory capacity also delays the loss of user-accessible memory capacity. NAND memory can be negatively impacted by read and program (write) disturbs arising from over accessing a particular NAND location. This overuse of NAND locations causes bits within the NAND block to erroneously change values. Wear leveling, by redirecting SSD writes to lesser-used NAND locations, thus reduces the potential for program or write disturbs. An example for the lifetime of SSD is explained in detail in this wiki. SSDs based on DRAM, however, do not suffer from this problem.

    The quick bootup is nice and it's generally a bit snappier than a system with a hard disk. Also less prone to serious damage if you dropped it (of course, at it's size, the average netbook would probably crack pretty bad depending on the fall.)

    Skype works pretty well on my Mini 9, though I've only run the testing stuff for the mic and camera. With the custom GUIs that most of the Linux-based netbooks come with they are very, very user-friendly if you don't really want to get more complicated than surfing the net or checking your email. Some folks put together a pretty nice alternative to the Dell Netbook Interface for their machines called the Ubuntu Netbook Remix Edition that does a good job with the limited screen real estate.

    The Mini 9 (and it's larger cousin the Mini 12 [and maybe the new one, the Mini 10]) all have a SIM card slot for 3G. AT&T has started rolling out data plans with the Mini 9's price subsidized to only $99 (after a rebate.)

    My phone contract is up in June, and right now I'm seriously considering Palm's new phone, the Pre, because it supports tethering, so I could use it as a modem for my Mini instead of dealing with a separate plan for my phone and netbook.

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  • ZombotZombot Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Where was this thread a week ago when I had a hard on for the EEE PC?
    I eventually talked myself out of buying one and instead going to build my own computer.

    Hey Smart Hero, do you still have that Ocean?
    I hate my phone so much. It's died on me twice now. Thank god for that warranty.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2009
    I just ordered a Asus 1000HE last week with a ram upgrade for 290$


    gonna install hella operating systems

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  • AbracadanielAbracadaniel Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Zombot wrote: »
    Where was this thread a week ago when I had a hard on for the EEE PC?
    I eventually talked myself out of buying one and instead going to build my own computer.

    Hey Smart Hero, do you still have that Ocean?
    I hate my phone so much. It's died on me twice now. Thank god for that warranty.

    Yeah, I've still got mine. . .it works. . .kind of. The earpiece only works about 1/3rd of the time, so I have to keep my Bluetooth headset on hand if I need to actually hear the other person. I'd go through the trouble of the warranty, but I'm getting rid of it in another couple months.

    It's useful, but compared to what's out there now, it's lame. The Ocean 2 is pretty disappointing too.

    The Dell Mini 9 has been on sale a lot lately as Dell is trying to push for the Mini 10 (even though it sucks because you can't get RAM any higher than 1GB. Period.)

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  • sponospono Mining for Nose Diamonds Booger CoveRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Okay so I finaaaaaaally have the cash for my video cards

    My current plan is to SLI two 55nm GTX260s

    the total cost is gonna be about 500 dollars, but preformance wise it seems to outpace most cards in that price range anyway

    should I go for it, or are there better cards in the 200~250 range to SLI with.

    you've probably looked into this, but do you really need SLI?

    what resolution are you running?

    you could always buy one card and see how it feels before getting another, obviously

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  • ackack Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    That is some crazy cash to be droppin. Let's play games?

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  • ZombotZombot Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Smart Hero wrote: »
    Zombot wrote: »
    Where was this thread a week ago when I had a hard on for the EEE PC?
    I eventually talked myself out of buying one and instead going to build my own computer.

    Hey Smart Hero, do you still have that Ocean?
    I hate my phone so much. It's died on me twice now. Thank god for that warranty.

    Yeah, I've still got mine. . .it works. . .kind of. The earpiece only works about 1/3rd of the time, so I have to keep my Bluetooth headset on hand if I need to actually hear the other person. I'd go through the trouble of the warranty, but I'm getting rid of it in another couple months.

    It's useful, but compared to what's out there now, it's lame. The Ocean 2 is pretty disappointing too.

    I laughed when I saw the Ocean 2. It doesn't even have touch screen. It's like the red version of the Ocean.
    My contract expires sometime this summer. I look forward to it every day.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2009
    SLI has always seemed like more of a hassle than its worth to me

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  • ackack Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I don't know anything about video cards.

    "Yes I will take the one with the highest numbers thank you."

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  • AbracadanielAbracadaniel Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Zombot wrote: »
    Smart Hero wrote: »
    Zombot wrote: »
    Where was this thread a week ago when I had a hard on for the EEE PC?
    I eventually talked myself out of buying one and instead going to build my own computer.

    Hey Smart Hero, do you still have that Ocean?
    I hate my phone so much. It's died on me twice now. Thank god for that warranty.

    Yeah, I've still got mine. . .it works. . .kind of. The earpiece only works about 1/3rd of the time, so I have to keep my Bluetooth headset on hand if I need to actually hear the other person. I'd go through the trouble of the warranty, but I'm getting rid of it in another couple months.

    It's useful, but compared to what's out there now, it's lame. The Ocean 2 is pretty disappointing too.

    I laughed when I saw the Ocean 2. It doesn't even have touch screen. It's like the red version of the Ocean.
    My contract expires sometime this summer. I look forward to it every day.
    Same here.

    The only thing they added was some haptic touch stuff to the buttons on the bottom, but beyond that it's basically the same phone.


    I would've gotten out of my contract when Virgin Mobile bought out Helio, but since the contract didn't actually change in any way, I'd still have to pay the ETF.

    Of course, a refurbed 8GB iPhone for only $99 these days, and that's pretty tempting.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    robothero wrote: »
    SLI has always seemed like more of a hassle than its worth to me


    For twice the price you get like at most a 30% performance increase. From a purely cost/benefit perspective it is absolutely not worth it.

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  • sponospono Mining for Nose Diamonds Booger CoveRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    teefs the 260 is really the only thing you should be looking at in that price range if you want SLI

    all it comes down to now is brand preference -- just go with one that has a lifetime warranty

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  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Smart Hero wrote: »
    Zombot wrote: »
    Smart Hero wrote: »
    Zombot wrote: »
    Where was this thread a week ago when I had a hard on for the EEE PC?
    I eventually talked myself out of buying one and instead going to build my own computer.

    Hey Smart Hero, do you still have that Ocean?
    I hate my phone so much. It's died on me twice now. Thank god for that warranty.

    Yeah, I've still got mine. . .it works. . .kind of. The earpiece only works about 1/3rd of the time, so I have to keep my Bluetooth headset on hand if I need to actually hear the other person. I'd go through the trouble of the warranty, but I'm getting rid of it in another couple months.

    It's useful, but compared to what's out there now, it's lame. The Ocean 2 is pretty disappointing too.

    I laughed when I saw the Ocean 2. It doesn't even have touch screen. It's like the red version of the Ocean.
    My contract expires sometime this summer. I look forward to it every day.
    Same here.

    The only thing they added was some haptic touch stuff to the buttons on the bottom, but beyond that it's basically the same phone.


    I would've gotten out of my contract when Virgin Mobile bought out Helio, but since the contract didn't actually change in any way, I'd still have to pay the ETF.

    Of course, a refurbed 8GB iPhone for only $99 these days, and that's pretty tempting.

    Yeah, when my contract runs out (in September!) I'm seriously considering ditching Helio and going for an iPhone. Of course, an AT&T unlimited data/texting plan is about $30 more expensive a month, but man the iPhone looks neat.

    I never saw the point in SLI either, but I guess if you have money to blow on something that doesn't help you a whole lot...

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2009
    Butters wrote: »
    robothero wrote: »
    SLI has always seemed like more of a hassle than its worth to me


    For twice the price you get like at most a 30% performance increase. From a purely cost/benefit perspective it is absolutely not worth it.

    it also has serious issues when it comes to older games or MMOs that dont support SLI

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    ack wrote: »
    I don't know anything about video cards.

    "Yes I will take the one with the highest numbers thank you."

    Always roll with the middle class cards. That way you didn't dump a lot of money into one card and you won't feel bad about upgrading when the next-gen middle class is smoking the previous gen's high end models.

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  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    yes, my getting of an sli motherboard was kinda dumb, I'll be swapping that out on my next build.

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  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I'm pretty happy with my single X1950XT. It runs everything pretty well.

    Not DX10, sure, but there aren't really any DX10 games I want so I'm not too fussed. Really, the only PC-exclusive game I'm probably going to get this year is The Sims 3, and that's not going to be pushing the envelope very much in terms of graphical prowess.

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  • sponospono Mining for Nose Diamonds Booger CoveRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Mysst wrote: »
    yes, my getting of an sli motherboard was kinda dumb, I'll be swapping that out on my next build.

    I had an SLI motherboard when I had a 7800GT

    by the time I felt a 2nd card would help, it was just a much better option to get whole new card

    basically if you're going to use SLI, do it from the start

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  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    my sli is running 6600GTs, but I don't think it even uses it for most anything I'm playing.

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  • sponospono Mining for Nose Diamonds Booger CoveRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    spono wrote: »
    teefs the 260 is really the only thing you should be looking at in that price range if you want SLI

    all it comes down to now is brand preference -- just go with one that has a lifetime warranty

    I really should say that a single 260 should be enough for anything you throw at it in 1680x1050

    hell, I'm using an 8800GTS at that resolution and I couldn't imagine upgrading right now

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  • AbracadanielAbracadaniel Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I picked up this one http://bit.ly/7er0y from newegg back in December. Came with a free copy of Far Cry 2 and a $30 rebate.

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  • Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I've had my Eee for about a year and I love it. Bring it pretty much everywhere with me. I only wish the battery lasted longer. The new ones have longer battery life apparently.

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  • LinksvilleLinksville Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I always go with EVGA. They have the best support in terms of everything ever

    Agreed. Also, they have the Step-Up program, which is awesome.

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  • AbracadanielAbracadaniel Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Oh, something for those who haven't decided if they want a netbook yet or not. This one is coming out later this year. Not the most powerful, but it's ability to convert into a tablet is a serious sell.

    touchbook-ai-top.jpg


    600mHz ARM processor, 256 RAM, resistive touchscreen, Bluetooth, wifi, microSD storage, $300 for the version w/o the keyboard, $400 for the one with.

    Approximately the same processing power as an iPhone, built with open source hardware/software. It'll likely run Android or maybe a slim Linux distro.

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  • sponospono Mining for Nose Diamonds Booger CoveRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    so the screen folds and slides up, but how does it become a tablet?

    I don't see a swivel mechanism, and what's the point of the sliding motion

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  • AbracadanielAbracadaniel Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    spono wrote: »
    so the screen folds and slides up, but how does it become a tablet?

    I don't see a swivel mechanism, and what's the point of the sliding motion
    It's not a sliding motion, the screen is the computer, and attaches to the keyboard.

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  • sponospono Mining for Nose Diamonds Booger CoveRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Smart Hero wrote: »
    spono wrote: »
    so the screen folds and slides up, but how does it become a tablet?

    I don't see a swivel mechanism, and what's the point of the sliding motion
    It's not a sliding motion, the screen is the computer, and attaches to the keyboard.

    ah, so you separate it into two parts, flip the screen and reattach to the keyboard

    that "keyboard" looks pretty fuckin' chunky to be just a keyboard

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