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  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    japan wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    oh dear god why is that awful gamer girl thread still open D:

    I'm semi-convinced that's a troll thread that people are taking seriously for some reason. It's like that thread in G+T with that guy earnestly trying to convince people that it would be a good idea for Sega to re-release the Dreamcast and then release all their new games for it.

    They should totally do that!

    It would be awesome!

    powerpuppies: I need to re-watch that movie.

    Feral on
    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Man it depresses me that I am a member of one community online and it is full of right-thinking individuals with good taste in movies, and my friends in real life do things like hate on the big lebowski or say TDK deserved an Oscar nom.

    Edit: Call me puppies or pp. The full handle looks weird to me.

    Powerpuppies on
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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I really would like another Power Stone though. Or even an updated version of the last one.

    Quid on
  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Accept no substitutes Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    japan wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    They reacted properly by calling in the bomb squad, because honestly the moment you stop paying attention to those things somebody is going to use it to their advantage and may actually kill or hurt some people.
    Take advantage of... stickers?

    Whatever man, the stickers are asking for it.

    There is also the idea that if people are going to freak the hell out over any object with a sticker on it saying "this is a bomb", then suddenly terrorism just got a lot easier.

    It's cheaper to print stickers than acquire explosives.

    Except that if the feds believe or can prove that your intent was to create chaos, then you go to prison. You've revealed yourself and placed the authorities on high alert... for what? To shut down an airport for one damn day? Yeah, that's really terrifying.

    Some guy tried to blow up his fucking shoes in mid-flight. What stopped him from being successful? He was afraid he couldn't sneak a lighter through security, so he had to try and use matches, which he couldn't get to light.

    It is the fear of discovery that prevents most of these lunatics from taking action. Not because they're afraid of prison or death, but because if discovered then they can't actually do any damage. Security cameras are not a deterrent, but security personnel most certainly are, at least until somebody accuses them of being the boy who cried "wolf."

    To everyone who thinks this is "funny" or "stupid": If there had been a bomb, not necessarily a pipe-bomb but an explosive of some type capable of doing some damage or spreading a chemical or biological agent, and security noticed it but ignored it, and somebody did die, would you let security off the hook? Say it wasn't their fault, and they did the right thing by ignoring the clearly labeled, if very unusual threat?

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    Zimmydoom, Zimmydoom
    Flew away in a balloon
    Had sex with polar bears
    While sitting in a reclining chair
    Now there are Zim-Bear hybrids
    Running around and clawing eyelids
    Watch out, a Zim-Bear is about to have sex with yooooooou!
  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited March 2009
    japan wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    There is also the idea that if people are going to freak the hell out over any object with a sticker on it saying "this is a bomb", then suddenly terrorism just got a lot easier.

    Something like this?

    That's the incident that sparked the conversation.

    I suspected as much. Discuss news faster, chat! :x

    Echo on
  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Quid wrote: »
    I really would like another Power Stone though. Or even an updated version of the last one.

    YES

    Feral on
    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    They reacted properly by calling in the bomb squad, because honestly the moment you stop paying attention to those things somebody is going to use it to their advantage and may actually kill or hurt some people.
    Take advantage of... stickers?

    Whatever man, the stickers are asking for it.

    There is also the idea that if people are going to freak the hell out over any object with a sticker on it saying "this is a bomb", then suddenly terrorism just got a lot easier.

    It's cheaper to print stickers than acquire explosives.

    Except that if the feds believe or can prove that your intent was to create chaos, then you go to prison. You've revealed yourself and placed the authorities on high alert... for what? To shut down an airport for one damn day? Yeah, that's really terrifying.

    Some guy tried to blow up his fucking shoes in mid-flight. What stopped him from being successful? He was afraid he couldn't sneak a lighter through security, so he had to try and use matches, which he couldn't get to light.

    It is the fear of discovery that prevents most of these lunatics from taking action. Not because they're afraid of prison or death, but because if discovered then they can't actually do any damage. Security cameras are not a deterrent, but security personnel most certainly are, at least until somebody accuses them of being the boy who cried "wolf."

    To everyone who thinks this is "funny" or "stupid": If there had been a bomb, not necessarily a pipe-bomb but an explosive of some type capable of doing some damage or spreading a chemical or biological agent, and security noticed it but ignored it, and somebody did die, would you let security off the hook? Say it wasn't their fault, and they did the right thing by ignoring the clearly labeled, if very unusual threat?

    Yes. Security should not penalize somebody for such a sticker. It does not increase our safety. Anyone who could hurt people if security ignores stickers could hurt people anyway, by not using stickers.

    I contend that in practice, a bike with a sticker on it claiming it is a pipe bomb is no more likely to be a pipe bomb than a green bike. If a stickered bike exploded and killed people, I would blame security exactly as much as if it was an unstickered green bike. So should you.

    Powerpuppies on
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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    I'd best not pull out my Macbook in an airport run by Zimmy, I don't want it confiscated just to make sure it's not actually full of poison.

    ViolentChemistry on
  • Look Out it's Sabs!Look Out it's Sabs! Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Sabs after you watch Sunshine we has to discuss it.

    I kept on meaning to watch it, now I can for free on blu-ray!

    Also <3 Cillian Murphy.

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  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    To everyone who thinks this is "funny" or "stupid": If there had been a bomb, not necessarily a pipe-bomb but an explosive of some type capable of doing some damage or spreading a chemical or biological agent, and security noticed it but ignored it, and somebody did die, would you let security off the hook? Say it wasn't their fault, and they did the right thing by ignoring the clearly labeled, if very unusual threat?

    Let's say I'm a terrorist who lives a clearly labeled bomb in an airport.

    What would my objective be?

    Obviously not to kill the optimum number of people, as it would be more efficient to leave the bomb unlabeled.

    The only sensible motivation I would have for doing so would be to alert the authorities, resulting in a major disruption of the activities of the airport and costing who knows how much money to the airport, airlines, and air travelers. And I might be able to utilize a possible side effect of distracting the authorities from a real, unmarked bomb I might leave in an evacuation area.

    In other words, had that actually been a bomb, then the authorities did exactly what the terrorists wanted them to. So... the terrorists won?

    Feral on
    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • BobCescaBobCesca Is a girl Birmingham, UKRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    night night [chat].

    BobCesca on
  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Night Cesca!

    Quid on
  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    BobCesca wrote: »
    night night [chat].

    No such thing, that's what coffee is for.

    ViolentChemistry on
  • Look Out it's Sabs!Look Out it's Sabs! Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Man it depresses me that I am a member of one community online and it is full of right-thinking individuals with good taste in movies, and my friends in real life do things like hate on the big lebowski or say TDK deserved an Oscar nom.

    Edit: Call me puppies or pp. The full handle looks weird to me.

    Yeah I know what you mean, I have such conflicting tastes of music with my highschool friends though I seem to have a lot more in common with my university friends.

    So screw highschool friends. 8-)

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    To everyone who thinks this is "funny" or "stupid": If there had been a bomb, not necessarily a pipe-bomb but an explosive of some type capable of doing some damage or spreading a chemical or biological agent, and security noticed it but ignored it, and somebody did die, would you let security off the hook? Say it wasn't their fault, and they did the right thing by ignoring the clearly labeled, if very unusual threat?

    Well sounds like someone's good and terrorised.

    The point is that the disruption that is the intent of earnest terrorist action was caused anyway by something completely innocent, which seems to be becoming more and more common. More common than actual terrorist action, even. I'd be more sympathetic to your point of view if there was anything else suspicious about the situation, but there wasn't. It was an overreaction.

    japan on
  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    The sensible reaction from the authorities would have been to quietly investigate it. It takes 10 seconds for a dog to determine whether an object contains explosives. So let the dog sniff it, return negative, then move on.

    Feral on
    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Man Zimmy, we as a country have spent decades under the threat of terrorism, and jumping at or shadows seriously isn't the answer, only playing into their hands - showing our authorities up as idiots (which is how they appear in all these circumstances) and causing economic chaos.

    Oh god, I'm so tired. I got up at like seven thirty and haven't really done anything all day, but can barely keep my head up. I might actually be in bed before twelve.

    Leitner on
  • RonTheDMRonTheDM Yes, yes Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    But I have freedom of speech!

    Not right now you don't.

    RonTheDM on
  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    Some guy tried to blow up his fucking shoes in mid-flight. What stopped him from being successful?
    He put a sticker on his shoes saying they were a bomb?

    Quid on
  • Dunadan019Dunadan019 Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    i have decided to stop talking about terrorism and start talking about sandies pecan shortbread cookies.

    best cookies ever made.

    Dunadan019 on
  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    The sensible reaction from the authorities would have been to quietly investigate it. It takes 10 seconds for a dog to determine whether an object contains explosives. So let the dog sniff it, return negative, then move on.

    But what if the bike has proximity-sensors or a dog-detector rigged to the detonator?

    ViolentChemistry on
  • Look Out it's Sabs!Look Out it's Sabs! Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Someone should make a bio bomb where you ingest it and the next time you poop it releases toxic gas.

    Look Out it's Sabs! on
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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    So...filthy....

    Need shower...

    Inquisitor on
  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    So...filthy....

    Need shower...
    :winky:

    Elendil on
  • TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    i have decided to stop talking about terrorism and start talking about sandies pecan shortbread cookies.

    best cookies ever made.

    I'm pretty sure I asked for pecan sandies.

    Tav on
  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    The sensible reaction from the authorities would have been to quietly investigate it. It takes 10 seconds for a dog to determine whether an object contains explosives. So let the dog sniff it, return negative, then move on.

    But what if the bike has proximity-sensors or a dog-detector rigged to the detonator?

    We clearly need to ban both bicycles and dogs.

    TL DR on
  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Someone should make a bio bomb where you ingest it and the next time you poop it releases toxic gas.

    We have that already

    it's called Taco Bell

    nexuscrawler on
  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    The sensible reaction from the authorities would have been to quietly investigate it. It takes 10 seconds for a dog to determine whether an object contains explosives. So let the dog sniff it, return negative, then move on.

    But what if the bike has proximity-sensors or a dog-detector rigged to the detonator?
    20030620h.gif

    Quid on
  • RonTheDMRonTheDM Yes, yes Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    The sensible reaction from the authorities would have been to quietly investigate it. It takes 10 seconds for a dog to determine whether an object contains explosives. So let the dog sniff it, return negative, then move on.

    But what if the bike has proximity-sensors or a dog-detector rigged to the detonator?

    Dog = Level 1 Bomb Detector
    Jack Bauer = Level 2 Bomb Detector
    Admiral Ackbar = Level 3 Bomb Detector
    Peppy Hare = Level 4 Bomb Detector

    It's quiet ... too quiet.

    BE CAREFUL IT'S A TRAP.

    RonTheDM on
  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    The sensible reaction from the authorities would have been to quietly investigate it. It takes 10 seconds for a dog to determine whether an object contains explosives. So let the dog sniff it, return negative, then move on.

    But what if the bike has proximity-sensors or a dog-detector rigged to the detonator?

    Dog = Level 1 Bomb Detector
    Jack Bauer = Level 2 Bomb Detector
    Admiral Ackbar = Level 3 Bomb Detector
    Peppy Hare = Level 4 Bomb Detector

    It's quiet ... too quiet.

    BE CAREFUL IT'S A TRAP.

    THERE'S NO TIME!

    nexuscrawler on
  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    The sensible reaction from the authorities would have been to quietly investigate it. It takes 10 seconds for a dog to determine whether an object contains explosives. So let the dog sniff it, return negative, then move on.

    But what if the bike has proximity-sensors or a dog-detector rigged to the detonator?

    We clearly need to ban both bicycles and dogs.

    Then they'll just put the proximity-sensors on unicycle-bombs instead. We won't be safe until we make proximity a felony.

    ViolentChemistry on
  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Watch out for the Mooninites.

    Kagera on
    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    To everyone who thinks this is "funny" or "stupid": If there had been a bomb, not necessarily a pipe-bomb but an explosive of some type capable of doing some damage or spreading a chemical or biological agent, and security noticed it but ignored it, and somebody did die, would you let security off the hook? Say it wasn't their fault, and they did the right thing by ignoring the clearly labeled, if very unusual threat?
    Let's say I'm a terrorist who lives a clearly labeled bomb in an airport.

    What would my objective be?

    Obviously not to kill the optimum number of people, as it would be more efficient to leave the bomb unlabeled.

    The only sensible motivation I would have for doing so would be to alert the authorities, resulting in a major disruption of the activities of the airport and costing who knows how much money to the airport, airlines, and air travelers. And I might be able to utilize a possible side effect of distracting the authorities from a real, unmarked bomb I might leave in an evacuation area.

    In other words, had that actually been a bomb, then the authorities did exactly what the terrorists wanted them to. So... the terrorists won?
    When we outlaw stickers only outlaws will have stickers. This will make them much easier to pick out.

    Thanatos on
  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    The sensible reaction from the authorities would have been to quietly investigate it. It takes 10 seconds for a dog to determine whether an object contains explosives. So let the dog sniff it, return negative, then move on.

    Or even treat it like any other suspicious package by removing it, isolating it, and investigating without disrupting the operation of the airport.

    japan on
  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    The sensible reaction from the authorities would have been to quietly investigate it. It takes 10 seconds for a dog to determine whether an object contains explosives. So let the dog sniff it, return negative, then move on.

    But what if the bike has proximity-sensors or a dog-detector rigged to the detonator?

    Dog = Level 1 Bomb Detector
    Jack Bauer = Level 2 Bomb Detector
    Admiral Ackbar = Level 3 Bomb Detector
    Peppy Hare = Level 4 Bomb Detector

    It's quiet ... too quiet.

    BE CAREFUL IT'S A TRAP.

    THERE'S NO TIME!

    Try a somersault.

    ViolentChemistry on
  • TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    To everyone who thinks this is "funny" or "stupid": If there had been a bomb, not necessarily a pipe-bomb but an explosive of some type capable of doing some damage or spreading a chemical or biological agent, and security noticed it but ignored it, and somebody did die, would you let security off the hook? Say it wasn't their fault, and they did the right thing by ignoring the clearly labeled, if very unusual threat?
    Let's say I'm a terrorist who lives a clearly labeled bomb in an airport.

    What would my objective be?

    Obviously not to kill the optimum number of people, as it would be more efficient to leave the bomb unlabeled.

    The only sensible motivation I would have for doing so would be to alert the authorities, resulting in a major disruption of the activities of the airport and costing who knows how much money to the airport, airlines, and air travelers. And I might be able to utilize a possible side effect of distracting the authorities from a real, unmarked bomb I might leave in an evacuation area.

    In other words, had that actually been a bomb, then the authorities did exactly what the terrorists wanted them to. So... the terrorists won?
    When we outlaw stickers only outlaws will have stickers. This will make them much easier to pick out.
    How about we only ban stickers that say "Skating is not a crime"?

    Tav on
  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    The sensible reaction from the authorities would have been to quietly investigate it. It takes 10 seconds for a dog to determine whether an object contains explosives. So let the dog sniff it, return negative, then move on.

    But what if the bike has proximity-sensors or a dog-detector rigged to the detonator?

    Dog = Level 1 Bomb Detector
    Jack Bauer = Level 2 Bomb Detector
    Admiral Ackbar = Level 3 Bomb Detector
    Peppy Hare = Level 4 Bomb Detector

    It's quiet ... too quiet.

    BE CAREFUL IT'S A TRAP.

    THERE'S NO TIME!

    Try a somersault.

    Do a barrel roll!

    Kagera on
    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • RonTheDMRonTheDM Yes, yes Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    USE THE BOOST TO GET THROUGH.

    RonTheDM on
  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    japan wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    The sensible reaction from the authorities would have been to quietly investigate it. It takes 10 seconds for a dog to determine whether an object contains explosives. So let the dog sniff it, return negative, then move on.

    Or even treat it like any other suspicious package by removing it, isolating it, and investigating without disrupting the operation of the airport.

    Yeah, exactly.

    When you start shutting down major services and quarantining off public or semi-public areas over things which might be but probably aren't bombs, the Terrorists Have Won.

    Feral on
    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • Look Out it's Sabs!Look Out it's Sabs! Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    USE THE BOOST TO GET THROUGH.

    :winky:

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