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Mexico: Possible failed state

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Well we should give a shit because all that shit is going to move upstream.

    I mean it already is. I can barely walk 2 blocks without some 'M13' graffiti tag done by some dumbass kid.

    But, you know, fuck the people.

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  • Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Hey, I'm not the one suggesting landmines and mercenaries units to protect our borders.

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  • BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    i live and go to school in san diego, and i got to a school that has quite a few duel citizenship families from mexico. As in at least a quarter or my class of 50.

    As of about a year ago all of their respective kin have moved completely out of mexico/tj and i know at least two that recieved death threats while living in TJ. as of now i doubt any of them have even checked on their houses or places of work across the border.

    That place alone has gone nuts, but the border is still practically wide open and San Diego is still completely fine.

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  • AegisAegis Not Quite TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Hey, I'm not the one suggesting landmines and mercenaries units to protect our borders.

    Someone needs to play TF2 more.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Audio Game Developer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Hey, I'm not the one suggesting landmines and mercenaries units to protect our borders.

    This is the internet.

    People are sarcastic here.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Hey, I'm not the one suggesting landmines and mercenaries units to protect our borders.

    Don't forget mimes.

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Barcardi wrote: »
    i live and go to school in san diego, and i got to a school that has quite a few duel citizenship families from mexico. As in at least a quarter or my class of 50.

    As of about a year ago all of their respective kin have moved completely out of mexico/tj and i know at least two that recieved death threats while living in TJ. as of now i doubt any of them have even checked on their houses or places of work across the border.

    That place alone has gone nuts, but the border is still practically wide open and San Diego is still completely fine.

    Well if I'm a cartel boss in Tijuana, is it better to let a debtor skip town to the states, where he'll probably end up getting shipped back south in a year or two, or pursue him at great cost and risk to men and materials, possibly starting an international incident that leads to increased border patrols and reduces my net profits?

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Hey, I'm not the one suggesting landmines and mercenaries units to protect our borders.

    Maybe

    and now, this might seem completely CRAZY

    but maybe, people were joking

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  • Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Try telling that to the landmine victims.

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Oh jesus, where's that eyeroll gif when I need it.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Try telling that to the landmine victims.
    Most of those people are not, in fact, Mexican.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Can we give the Mexican army and police more guns? The side with the most guns wins the war, right?

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Audio Game Developer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Can we give the Mexican army and police more guns? The side with the most guns wins the war, right?

    Giving the Mexican army and police more guns is the same as giving more guns to the drug lords.

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  • QuidQuid I don't... what... hnnng Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    I come in expecting something of quality, but what I got is a bunch of kids making one liners and creaming in their pants as they fantasize about killing fleeing refugees.

    Mexico is a fucked up place. So fuck up that I refuse to go down there even if my family begs me to go. There's no interest in Mexico, cause frankly Mexico haves nothing of value.

    It has human beings.

    Since when lives are consider valuable? According to the overpopulation thread the best thing that could happen is a worldwide plague that kills 90% of the population.
    According to who besides the sociopath that is Detharin?

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  • Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Audio Game Developer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Well, great. Now there's another group of people I'm fucking terrified of.

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt (effective against the Irish) Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    ITT: We learn that sometimes, people post stupid opinions on the internet.

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  • QuidQuid I don't... what... hnnng Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    According to who in the thread you mentioned. Not random hobos on street corners.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Incenjucar wrote: »

    No really, it's not.

    See, no talk of Homeworld or anything.

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  • chasmchasm Ill-tempered Texan Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Can we give the Mexican army and police more guns? The side with the most guns wins the war, right?

    Giving the Mexican army and police more guns is the same as giving more guns to the drug lords.

    Or it's just increasing the cash flow of the Mexican army and police.

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  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    We should just evacuate all americans in a 50 mile wide path from ocean to ocean and continuously bombard that strip with tactical nuclear weapons

    It would... stimulate the economy or something


    Is there any chance that the US military or DEA could help with the situation? We can be reasonably sure that neither of those organizations would bend to the cartels.

    But really, legalization is really the best bet. You effectively let the air out of the tires of the Cartels.

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  • EmanonEmanon __BANNED USERS
    edited March 2009
    watching 60 Minutes tonight didn't make me feel too confident about Mexico's future. Their main problem is corruption, once they control that the fighting crime will follow. Whenever that is...

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  • chasmchasm Ill-tempered Texan Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    In all seriousness, is there any chance that the US military or DEA could help with the situation? We can be reasonably sure that neither of those organizations would bend to the cartels.

    There are only so many SEAL teams...

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  • TravanTravan Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Unofficial tallies by the news media put the death toll so far this year at more than 300 in the state of Chihuahua, where Juarez is located.

    If this is pronounced how I think it is, I foresee a lot of really bad political cartoons on this subject in the near future.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Travan wrote: »
    Unofficial tallies by the news media put the death toll so far this year at more than 300 in the state of Chihuahua, where Juarez is located.

    If this is pronounced how I think it is, I foresee a lot of really bad political cartoons on this subject in the near future.

    Um, where do you think the name of that breed of dog comes from?

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  • JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Caaba Beankomy XobthroRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Well we should give a shit because all that shit is going to move upstream.

    I mean it already is. I can barely walk 2 blocks without some 'M13' graffiti tag done by some dumbass kid.

    You mean MS 13. Which is a central american gang. Not mexican. Salvadorans.

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  • DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    So what options would we (the United States) have if the situation goes to complete hell down there?

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Archgarth wrote: »
    So what options would we (the United States) have if the situation goes to complete hell down there?

    Send in the Canucks.

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  • DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Kagera wrote: »
    Archgarth wrote: »
    So what options would we (the United States) have if the situation goes to complete hell down there?

    Send in the Canucks.

    Good idea. Hockey, Bioware and Mounties solve everything.

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  • TravanTravan Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Kagera wrote: »
    Travan wrote: »
    Unofficial tallies by the news media put the death toll so far this year at more than 300 in the state of Chihuahua, where Juarez is located.

    If this is pronounced how I think it is, I foresee a lot of really bad political cartoons on this subject in the near future.
    Um, where do you think the name of that breed of dog comes from?

    I figured as much, I just didn't want to come out and say that and look foolish in case they were just spelled similarly.

    In all seriousness, while I can see why legalization could likely help, there is about a snowball's chance in, well, Mexico, of it ever happening. I'm sure the family values groups alone could skin any attempt alive before it ever got off the ground.

    Of course, if we're just spitballing possible solutions, just forget I never posted.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Archgarth wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Archgarth wrote: »
    So what options would we (the United States) have if the situation goes to complete hell down there?

    Send in the Canucks.

    Good idea. Hockey, Bioware and Mounties solve everything.

    They'll be so nice it'll catch the gangs off guard and then POW with the Moose Charge.

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
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  • NotYouNotYou Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    What do you think the chances are of mexico legalizing pot?

    I know they've been discussing it, and the benefits are obvious, both economically and in hindering the drug cartels, but I'm sure the US would have some serious problems with it, and that might cause repacussions for them

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  • KaputaKaputa Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    NotYou wrote: »
    What do you think the chances are of mexico legalizing pot?

    I know they've been discussing it, and the benefits are obvious, both economically and in hindering the drug cartels, but I'm sure the US would have some serious problems with it, and that might cause repacussions for them
    I could be wrong, but I'm not so sure legalizing weed would have that much of an effect on these cartels. I always figured cocaine and heroin were more important for their profits. But I haven't done any real research on Mexican drug cartels, so don't quote me on it.

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Kaputa wrote: »
    NotYou wrote: »
    What do you think the chances are of mexico legalizing pot?

    I know they've been discussing it, and the benefits are obvious, both economically and in hindering the drug cartels, but I'm sure the US would have some serious problems with it, and that might cause repacussions for them
    I could be wrong, but I'm not so sure legalizing weed would have that much of an effect on these cartels. I always figured cocaine and heroin were more important for their profits. But I haven't done any real research on Mexican drug cartels, so don't quote em on it.

    This is true to a degree, but you have to consider that marijuana is the most widely consumed illegal drug by far. There are plenty of regular, life-long consumers of pot that would never touch the harder drugs, or even feel comfortable buying their soft drugs from someone who also sold the harder stuff.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Kaputa wrote: »
    NotYou wrote: »
    What do you think the chances are of mexico legalizing pot?

    I know they've been discussing it, and the benefits are obvious, both economically and in hindering the drug cartels, but I'm sure the US would have some serious problems with it, and that might cause repacussions for them
    I could be wrong, but I'm not so sure legalizing weed would have that much of an effect on these cartels. I always figured cocaine and heroin were more important for their profits. But I haven't done any real research on Mexican drug cartels, so don't quote em on it.

    This is true to a degree, but you have to consider that marijuana is the most widely consumed illegal drug by far. There are plenty of regular, life-long consumers of pot that would never touch the harder drugs, or even feel comfortable buying their soft drugs from someone who also sold the harder stuff.

    Yes, but pot is incredibly resilient, and nobody in Mexico can afford much anyway. It's mainly a trade corridor.

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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    So is the U.S. were to legalize cocaine, would the Mexican drug cartels survive?
    This post should not be construed as endorsement of legal cocaine.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I heard on the radio tonight as I was driving home that the economy is actually good and still growing strongly in most South American countries.

    So factor that into whatever projections you want to make about how a collapse in Mexico plays out.

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